Barb, Magoo, Bunker and the Scios Meet with the Humanoids.......

Barb, Magoo, Bunker and the Scios Meet with the Humanoids....... Scientology

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:54:01 -0800

Barb set up a meeting with a group in San Diego and asked me to speak with her. I agreed, and today was the day. Driving down to San Diego, knowing of the oncoming rain was a bit of a concern, but I decided to go anyways, esp. as it was dry in the morning when I left.

The plan was to meet at this Chinese Restaurant where this group usually meets. (I will let barb give you their full name). Mark Bunker and I had agreed he would meet us also, and he suggested he might film it, which he ended up doing. A bunch of us met for lunch, and enjoyed talking with each other (Critics).|

Then the group arrived around 2, as well as 4-5 Scientologists. Two of them had the bright yellow "Church of Scientology Volunteer Ministers" Jackets on, so you couldn't miss them. We went over and introduced ourselves, and typical of Scios in a public situation (where people are going to hear both sides)...

They were extremely polite and friendly. Now I knowing how all of them have treated me in the last 4 years, know this is simply for "Good PR".

Barb had brought some excellent pieces of information to give out to the group, including the Scientology Creed, the Network of C of S, Int. and how it really works, etc.

She began speaking, and we rolled for about an hour. Mark has it all on tape, and said he plans to put at least the sound up on www.xenutv.com

soon. Basically, we covered various different areas: The organization, the front groups, personal stories (mine) of being in the cult, re medical malpractice, anti-psychs, Hubbard, and Clear and OT, which Barb brought up. As we went over various things, the Scios would begin to protest, and were told they could have their turn, after during the Q & A.

(( I didn't know the humanoids had actually invited them)).

Ok, so after our talk on Scientology, the Scientologists began to talk. Right away they began with the black Pr of "Tory broke her promise to never disclose the confidential materials...so how can you trust her with anything?"

First off, I never did break any promise while I was a Scientologist. Once I left, I have no agreements with them or their BS promises and secrets, although you can hear the OT 8 speaking who says this, and he certainly believes it's true. No one else there seemed to agree, as one could see eyeballs rolling.

Their pitch was mostly done by an OT 5 named Louis, who claimed "I'm not a PR", although he'd admitted he was an insurance salesman, so let's face it, he has the PR tools :) He and the OT 8 would go back and forth, putting down barb and I, and then the "Huge wins of Scientology". He claimed, "We're winning!" "We're free thinkers" (Like all of us were not). The OT 8 told a story of Criminon and how it had "helped so many people". Now when I told stories which were true, factual stories of things that occurred, they just brushed them off as "Antidotal". However, when THEY told their stories...they were "important". Barb and I were not allowed to interrupt, and when they told flat out lies, we couldn't give our side, and I found that to be not an ideal way for things to be run. With every talk one learns things, and that was one key thing I learned today.Also, Mark did a great job of asking them specific questions, and these you'll hear on his tape. He was happy to be able to ask them some things, and get their answers on film.

One Scientology lady there had obviously not been "Hatted" too well, as she spoke of "Linda McPherson" and how the courts had let Scientology off.

Also, how the FBI raid, "Proved to be false" They also spoke of how grateful Clearwater was that Scientology was there. Now this is spoken to a person (me) who was working with the Guardian's office (now OSA)...helping C of S get rid of Richard Tinny, who wanted Scientology OUT. That was back in 1979. In 2000 I also interviewed their neighbors .now being out. I was shocked at how much they disliked Scientology. Of course not all, but many.

They went on for about one hour, and finally I said I had to go, as I knew I had a long drive and the news had predicted big rains towards the evening. Before going, I wanted to point out one of Hubbard's key things was "Never defend always attack", and I said as you can see, these people have been using this since they began speaking about Barb and I.

Also, I had read from their Creed, re "Man has the inalienable right to free speech", etc. Yet when I pointed out their "Church" Hardly applies that, they flipped that off to as "Antidotal"--despite my example of their hate page: RFW, disconnection, and declaring people "SP"...all which are geared to stop free speech.

It was a long day, and I'll be interested to hear how the humanoids took it. Most came up to me and thanked me greatly, as they did Barb and Mark.

Barb left them with an excellent list of reading material. We both stressed, "Read both sides, and find out for yourselves".

Naturally the Scientologists can never say that!

Mark and I then enjoyed a tour of his work place (great place!) and the some tasty dinner.

I headed home, enjoying so much that I no longer was in that Scio/Truman show.

I remembered it SO well, and literally have said almost exactly the same things they said to me, today...in years past. Thank God I'm free!

Peace!

--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out for 4 years and 5 months
For thinking and speaking my mind, I am:
Declared SP and Expelled from C of S
(SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster)
Free at LAST!
For more information about this, please see:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm
http://www.altreligionscientology.org

magoo44@charter.net
"They that can give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Burbank, CA (818) 841-3632

magoo44@charter.net
"They that can give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Burbank, CA
(818) 841-3632

<p><hr><p> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:44:43 -0800
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Organization: ARSCC Intel Div
Subject: Re: Barb, Magoo, Bunker and the Scios Meet with the Humanoids.......
In-Reply-To: <%GfSd.8650$p96.4205@fe07.lga> Message-ID: <4219e5e7@news2.lightlink.com>

Magoo wrote:

> Barb set up a meeting with a group in San Diego and asked me to speak with
> her. I agreed, and today was the day.
> Driving down to San Diego, knowing of the oncoming rain was a bit of a
> concern, but I decided to go anyways, esp. as it was dry in the morning when
> I left.
>
>
> The plan was to meet at this Chinese Restaurant where this group usually
> meets. (I will let barb give you their full name).
> Mark Bunker and I had agreed he would meet us also, and he suggested he
> might film it, which he ended up doing.
> A bunch of us met for lunch, and enjoyed talking with each other (Critics).|
>
> Then the group arrived around 2, as well as 4-5 Scientologists. Two of them
> had the bright yellow "Church of Scientology Volunteer Ministers" Jackets
> on, so you couldn't miss them. We went over and introduced ourselves, and
> typical of Scios in a public situation (where people are going to hear both
> sides)...
>
> They were extremely polite and friendly. Now I knowing how all of them have
> treated me in the last 4 years, know this is simply for "Good PR".
>
>
> Barb had brought some excellent pieces of information to give out to the
> group, including the Scientology Creed, the Network of C of S, Int. and how
> it really works, etc.
>
> She began speaking, and we rolled for about an hour. Mark has it all on
> tape, and said he plans to put at least the sound up on www.xenutv.com
>
> soon. Basically, we covered various different areas: The organization, the
> front groups, personal stories (mine) of being in the cult, re medical
> malpractice, anti-psychs, Hubbard, and Clear and OT, which Barb brought up.
> As we went over various things, the Scios would begin to protest, and were
> told they could have their turn, after during the Q & A.
>
> (( I didn't know the humanoids had actually invited them)).
>
>
>
> Ok, so after our talk on Scientology, the Scientologists began to talk.
> Right away they began with the black Pr of "Tory broke her promise to never
> disclose the confidential materials...so how can you trust her with
> anything?"
>
>
> First off, I never did break any promise while I was a Scientologist. Once I
> left, I have no agreements with them or their BS promises and secrets,
> although you can hear the OT 8 speaking who says this, and he certainly
> believes it's true.
> No one else there seemed to agree, as one could see eyeballs rolling.
>
>
> Their pitch was mostly done by an OT 5 named Louis, who claimed "I'm not a
> PR", although he'd admitted he was an insurance salesman, so let's face it,
> he has the PR tools :) He and the OT 8 would go back and forth, putting down
> barb and I, and then the "Huge wins of Scientology". He claimed, "We're
> winning!" "We're free thinkers" (Like all of us were not). The OT 8 told a
> story of Criminon and how it had "helped so many people". Now when I told
> stories which were true, factual stories of things that occurred, they just
> brushed them off as "Antidotal". However, when THEY told their
> stories...they were "important". Barb and I were not allowed to interrupt,
> and when they told flat out lies, we couldn't give our side, and I found
> that to be not an ideal way for things to be run. With every talk one
> learns things, and that was one key thing I learned today.Also, Mark did a
> great job of asking them specific questions, and these you'll hear on his
> tape. He was happy to be able to ask them some things, and get their answers
> on film.
>
>
>
> One Scientology lady there had obviously not been "Hatted" too well, as she
> spoke of "Linda McPherson" and how the courts had let Scientology off.
>
> Also, how the FBI raid, "Proved to be false" They also spoke of how grateful
> Clearwater was that Scientology was there.
> Now this is spoken to a person (me) who was working with the Guardian's
> office (now OSA)...helping C of S get rid of Richard Tinny, who wanted
> Scientology OUT. That was back in 1979. In 2000 I also interviewed their
> neighbors .now being out. I was shocked at how much they disliked
> Scientology. Of course not all, but many.
>
> They went on for about one hour, and finally I said I had to go, as I knew I
> had a long drive and the news had predicted big rains towards the evening.
> Before going, I wanted to point out one of Hubbard's key things was "Never
> defend always attack", and I said as you can see, these people have been
> using this since they began speaking about Barb and I.
>
>
> Also, I had read from their Creed, re "Man has the inalienable right to free
> speech", etc.
> Yet when I pointed out their "Church" Hardly applies that, they flipped that
> off to as "Antidotal"--despite my example of their hate page: RFW,
> disconnection, and declaring people "SP"...all which are geared to stop free
> speech.
>
>
>
> It was a long day, and I'll be interested to hear how the humanoids took it.
> Most came up to me and thanked me greatly, as they did Barb and Mark.
>
> Barb left them with an excellent list of reading material.
> We both stressed, "Read both sides, and find out for yourselves".
>
> Naturally the Scientologists can never say that!
>
>
>
> Mark and I then enjoyed a tour of his work place (great place!) and the some
> tasty dinner.
>
> I headed home, enjoying so much that I no longer was in that Scio/Truman
> show.
>
> I remembered it SO well, and literally have said almost exactly the same
> things they said to me, today...in years past. Thank God I'm free!
>
>
>
> Peace!
>
When the Scientologists were given the floor, they did exactly what I'd hoped they'd do. They attacked us, very subtle. Said one, "I'd like to know what these two ladies do to help people." Well, we don't go to disasters to poke people and hand out TWTH booklets.

Some things I learned: Some firefighters who worked at Ground Zero completely regained their health thru the Purification Rundown. Scientology is growing and expanding. Tory can't be trusted. Leo J. Hamel jewelers, an old and respected firm in San Diego, has connections with Scientologists. Nobody was charged after Operation Snow White. (I thought the guy was going to say they were busted for stealing xerox paper.) No government documents were stolen. None! Louis Gonzalez is the same guy Susan and I talked to at the comic convention. At that time, he was wearing a jacket with a Claude Sandoz nametag, and never corrected us when we called him Claude. He's OTV.

After discussing Dianetics basics up to the state of Clear, I paused before going on to the OT levels. I said, "I'm sorry, I can't discuss this with these Scientologists here." Magoo asked their levels, they were all past OTVIII. For whatever reason, they decided to stay and listen when I discussed body thetans. Otherwise, I would have asked them to leave the room momentarily. Narconon has a 70% success rate.

Basically, what they did was offer the usual testimonials about Scientology, exactly what I hoped. I handed out two pieces with that in mind; the Code of a Scientologist, and the Creed. Together with the list of suggested reading, this combo will be deadly. I told the Humanist Association to read with these things in mind. The guy in the OT jacket finally admitted that the Scientology cross was not a Christian symbol at all. Gonzales, raised a Catholic, thought it was funny when I asked him if he threw in the other four dynamics when he crossed himself. Some guy ranted on about child molestation in the church. He wasn't making it clear that he was talking about the Catholic church, both Louis and I were confused. Scientology has never been known as a hotbed of molestation. Louis confirmed that my 3 carat Alexandrite could be worth thousands. The steamed clams in black bean sauce were tasty!

Next time we do this, the format is going to be run by Magoo and I. We were unable to address the inaccuracies put forth by the Scientologists.

They refused to address any of the harassment or abuses Tory and I have experienced, dismissing them as 'anecdotal.' First hand experience will stand up in court. However, my plan was that this roomfull of skeptics and secular humanists would be interested enough to do some followup research. When Tory told them to look at both sides before deciding, the Scientologists supported that suggestion.

They were in their "nice, fair weather" valence. I figured they would, what with the meeting and all. But I think that we got our point across.

-- --barb Chaplain,ARSCC

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky Peter Alexander

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