Scientology --- Re: Bogus Cult's Bogus Web Site

Re: Bogus Cult's Bogus Web Site

After reviewing the data again, I think l.l.lipshitz is correct: the Kriminal Kult of Scientology set up the bogus web site to trap imaginary enemies. Since critics of Scientology do not hate Scientologists and do not wish harm against them, Scientology must manufacture imaginary enemies in order to self- justify their crimes against the critics. Since K. Henson just posted an article saying the Kriminal Kult has printed out thiwer web site as 'evidence' against him, I think the hypothesis that the web site was created by the Krimional Kult to use against its critics is a valid one--- any bets that an FBI raid at Scientology HQ will produce the written orders to create thier bogus web site?

Below are articles posted to a.r.s. on the issue, dated oldest first.
From: elkube@min.net (l.l.lipshitz)
Subject: Re: Interesting addition to the webring
Date: 24 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <slrn8noi60.ou9.elkube@min.net>

barb (bwarr@pacbell.net) sez:

| Shy David www.xenu.net wrote:

| >

| > > In article <8lc395$272@netaxs.com>, rkeller@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) | > > wrote:

| >

| > > >Martin Hunt (martinh@islandnet.com) wrote:

| > > >: http://on.to/ssx | > > >:

| > > >: Hmm; it looks like Scientology has made a new friend! Site | > > >: rejected from the webring: no valid html fragment.

| >

| > > >Looks like a Scientologist created this site. I'll complain to his | > > >provider.

| >

| > > It would not be a surprise at all. It includes death threats against | > > Scientologists in general, but also against cult President Heber in | > > particular. Perhaps he should be notified. We know the cult monitors | > > this group closely and logs it, hopefully they will pass the information | > > along.

| >

| > In my opinion, Scientology Inc. created the site. It points to:

| > http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx | >

| > Looking over the site, it reminds me of the letters they forged in the | > Operation Freakout crime against Paulette Cooper. Could damn near be | > written by the same person.

| > --- | > "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm | > Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!

| | The spelling and phraseology is British. Perhaps the Brighton Org is | rather bored at this time? They're not getting their ration of Raw Meat, | are they boys?

he says to send anti-scn material to him at DextersLaboratory@gmx.net. gmx.net is based in germany, tho offers multilingual free email services to anyone, anywhere.

given:

1. gmx tos says it absolutely does not support anonymity and all users must supply their real identity;

2. gmx requires extensive personal info for ad-targetting in exchange for providing free email service; and 3. many service providers will reveal personal info without a court order when users threaten the life or safety of others (tho no explicit mention of this at gmx that i could find);

therefore:

it might not be too hard to find out exactly who 'dexterslaboratory' is. not that gmx will hand over all the info to any of us just for the asking but a letter from kobrin or paquin would do it, i'm sure. i pity the fool (assuming he's not an osa agent).

note: 'dexterslaboratory' may not have published that hubbardsuxxx webpg and may only be a victim of someone's revenge or terribly unfunny joke.
-elle ------------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube@min.net ]=------------ a person begins to suffer from problems when he does not have enough of them. lrh

From: barb <bwarr@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Interesting addition to the webring
Date: 23 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <397B0219.C19B8ECE@pacbell.net>

Shy David www.xenu.net wrote:

> > In article <8lc395$272@netaxs.com>, rkeller@netaxs.com (Rod Keller)
> > wrote:
>
> > >Martin Hunt (martinh@islandnet.com) wrote:
> > >: http://on.to/ssx
> > >:
> > >: Hmm; it looks like Scientology has made a new friend! Site
> > >: rejected from the webring: no valid html fragment.
>
> > >Looks like a Scientologist created this site. I'll complain to his
> > >provider.
>
> > It would not be a surprise at all. It includes death threats against
> > Scientologists in general, but also against cult President Heber in
> > particular. Perhaps he should be notified. We know the cult monitors
> > this group closely and logs it, hopefully they will pass the information
> > along.
>
> In my opinion, Scientology Inc. created the site. It points to:
> http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx
>
> Looking over the site, it reminds me of the letters they forged in the
> Operation Freakout crime against Paulette Cooper. Could damn near be
> written by the same person.
> ---
> "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm
> Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!
The spelling and phraseology is British. Perhaps the Brighton Org is rather bored at this time? They're not getting their ration of Raw Meat, are they boys?

-- barb "Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does wierd and stupid things to damage its own reputation."

-Steve Zadarnowski http://www.xenu.net http://www.xenutv.com (see live Scientologists in their natural state!)

From: shy_david@nospam.org (Shy David www.xenu.net)
Subject: Re: Interesting addition to the webring
Date: 23 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <397ac3fc.4157622@nntp.lightlink.com>
Organization: Worldwide Church of WWW.XENU.NET
> In article <8lc395$272@netaxs.com>, rkeller@netaxs.com (Rod Keller)
> wrote:
> >Martin Hunt (martinh@islandnet.com) wrote:
> >: http://on.to/ssx
> >:
> >: Hmm; it looks like Scientology has made a new friend! Site
> >: rejected from the webring: no valid html fragment.
> >Looks like a Scientologist created this site. I'll complain to his
> >provider.
> It would not be a surprise at all. It includes death threats against
> Scientologists in general, but also against cult President Heber in
> particular. Perhaps he should be notified. We know the cult monitors
> this group closely and logs it, hopefully they will pass the information
> along.
In my opinion, Scientology Inc. created the site. It points to:

http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx Looking over the site, it reminds me of the letters they forged in the Operation Freakout crime against Paulette Cooper. Could damn near be written by the same person.

--- "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!

From: John Dorsay <dorsay@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: http://on.to/ssx
Date: 23 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <8ldu9j$9gn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>

In article <8ldjap$geo@drn.newsguy.com>, ptsc <ptsc@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Incidentally, I've reported this demented page to the
> admins for blatantly illegal death threats. Read this
> page, it frankly reads like the bomb threat forged in
> Paulette Cooper's name, with the same sort of incoherent
> syntax, chopped-up sentences and bizarre grammar. If
> it isn't an actual psychotic, it's someone doing a good
> imitation of one, and they probably need a psychiatric
> evaluation, seriously, as in dragged off right now to
> find out if they're dangerous or have a weapons cache.
>
> The page says something about "hack, kick, nuke" so it
> could be some script kiddie imitating a lunatic, for
> some crazy reason of his own or to forge it in someone
> else's name.
>
> http://on.to/ click on "Contact Us," then "Spam," which
> appears to be the general abuse address.
If you look at the page source, you will see that the offensive content is really here:

The Geocities abuse page is here:

http://geocities.yahoo.com/main/contact/alert_form.html I have just reported the offensive page to them.

-- Regards, John Exceedingly Rude and Discourteous Psychiatric Pawn Read about Scientology and the abuse of survivors of brain injury:

http://www.parishioner.org/lopez.html

From: barb <bwarr@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx/
Date: 23 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <397B0179.147126E3@pacbell.net>

Sheesh! Where the hell did you find THIS little gem? Either Dexter is a raving teen, or it's a setup. I doubt anyone will take it too seriously, regardless.

Hey, Dexter, someone's pounding on your front door...who could it be?

Shy David www.xenu.net wrote:

>
> To: abuse@geocities.com
> Subject: http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx/
> Cc: geodnsadmin@YAHOO-INC.COM
>
> Looks to me like Scientology Inc. may be using your server to
> forge an anti-Scientology web page. Please review their site and
> if you agree with me that the site is abusive, perhaps you will
> remove it. Scientology Inc. is just trying to make the critics
> of their crimes and gross human rights abuses look crazy. For
> an example of this, research their "black op" that they called
> "Operation 'Freakout'" at http://holysmoke.org/pc/pc.htm
>
> Thank you for your time.
> ---
> "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95
http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm > Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!
-- barb "Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does wierd and stupid things to damage its own reputation."

-Steve Zadarnowski http://www.xenu.net http://www.xenutv.com (see live Scientologists in their natural state!)

From: shy_david@nospam.org (Shy David www.xenu.net)
Subject: http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx/
Date: 23 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <397ac655.4758652@nntp.lightlink.com>
Organization: Worldwide Church of WWW.XENU.NET
To: abuse@geocities.com Subject: http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx/
Cc: geodnsadmin@YAHOO-INC.COM Looks to me like Scientology Inc. may be using your server to forge an anti-Scientology web page. Please review their site and if you agree with me that the site is abusive, perhaps you will remove it. Scientology Inc. is just trying to make the critics of their crimes and gross human rights abuses look crazy. For an example of this, research their "black op" that they called "Operation 'Freakout'" at http://holysmoke.org/pc/pc.htm Thank you for your time.

--- "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!

From: shy_david@nospam.org (Shy David www.xenu.net)
Subject: http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx/
Date: 27 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <397fa224.1053753@nntp.lightlink.com>
Organization: Worldwide Church of WWW.XENU.NET
Return-Path: <yhoocc@yahoo-inc.com>

From: Yahoo! Support <yhoocc@yahoo-inc.com>
Status:

Dear Community Member, Thank you for reporting this incident to Yahoo! GeoCities.

We have evaluated that home page and have taken appropriate action against the account.

We encourage you to review the Yahoo! GeoCities Terms of Service at:

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/geoterms.html Thank you, Yahoo! GeoCities Team http://geocities.yahoo.com 11285871 --- "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm Me: SP4, PTS256, Unloved, Unwanted, and UGLY!

From: thomlove <thomlovenetmail@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Bogus Cult's Bogus Web Site
Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3A0BFB2A.8EDFBF3A@netscape.net>

Hello;

One of the things the CofS will do, is to create a group in opposition to the CofS, just to see who joins up. That way the CofS has a list of potential enemies before they can really do any harm.

Clever.

thomlove desertphile@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> Around July 24, 2000 there was a web site on the 'net that
> pretended to advocate violence against members of the
> Kriminal Kult of Scientology. Compared to the bogus claims
> that the Kriminal Kult has slandered Keith Henson with
> (no sane human being would construe Keith's articles in
> usenet to be 'threats'), the web site in question had
> actual threats. Why is there no evidence that the
> Kriminal Kult has tried to find the person or people
> responsible? Why did the Kriminal Kult sit and do
> nothing about the site, so that critics of the Kult
> had to get the web site's host to remove the site?
>
> The answer is simple: Scientology created the web site,
> with its threats of violence against several Scientologists,
> in a Black Propaganda operation against the Scientology
> Web Ring. If it had been a web site they did not create,
> they would have used the site against their critics! The
> op was as follows:
>
> 1) Create the web page.
>
> 2) Find a free web host (Geocities).
>
> 3) Get a international e-mail address, such as one
> in Germany (GMX.NET).
>
> 4) Use that e-mail address to set up a free web
> page on Geocities. The e-mail address was used to
> do the confirmation for the site.
>
> 5) Post the violent web page on the Geocities host.
>
> 6) Add the site's URL to the Scientology Web Ring.
>
> 7) Have kult 'ho #1 or kult 'ho #2 contact the ISP
> who hosts the web ring, and issue a legal threat
> against them demanding that the web ring be
> terminated because it had a link to the violent
> web site.
>
> 8) Use the existence of the violent web site as an
> example of "hate" against the Kriminal Kult.
>
> The web site in question had the redirect address
> http://on.to/ssx
>
> which pointed to the free geocities address
> http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx
>
> Unfortunately it did not occur to me to download the
> web page in question .
>
> ==--==
>
> "But regardless how hard the going is for us critics in the face
> of entrenched evil, as Winston Churchill said once that these are
> not the dark days, but rather the great days. They are great because
> the cult is giving each of us an opportunity to find out the depth
> of our love of freedom." - Grady Ward.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

From: desertphile@my-deja.com
Subject: Bogus Cult's Bogus Web Site
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:41:39 GMT
Message-ID: <8ug5b2$b07$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Around July 24, 2000 there was a web site on the 'net that pretended to advocate violence against members of the Kriminal Kult of Scientology. Compared to the bogus claims that the Kriminal Kult has slandered Keith Henson with (no sane human being would construe Keith's articles in usenet to be 'threats'), the web site in question had actual threats. Why is there no evidence that the Kriminal Kult has tried to find the person or people responsible? Why did the Kriminal Kult sit and do nothing about the site, so that critics of the Kult had to get the web site's host to remove the site?

The answer is simple: Scientology created the web site, with its threats of violence against several Scientologists, in a Black Propaganda operation against the Scientology Web Ring. If it had been a web site they did not create, they would have used the site against their critics! The op was as follows:

1) Create the web page.

2) Find a free web host (Geocities).

3) Get a international e-mail address, such as one in Germany (GMX.NET).

4) Use that e-mail address to set up a free web page on Geocities. The e-mail address was used to do the confirmation for the site.

5) Post the violent web page on the Geocities host.

6) Add the site's URL to the Scientology Web Ring.

7) Have kult 'ho #1 or kult 'ho #2 contact the ISP who hosts the web ring, and issue a legal threat against them demanding that the web ring be terminated because it had a link to the violent web site.

8) Use the existence of the violent web site as an example of "hate" against the Kriminal Kult.

The web site in question had the redirect address http://on.to/ssx which pointed to the free geocities address http://www.geocities.com/hubbardsuxxx Unfortunately it did not occur to me to download the web page in question .

==--== "But regardless how hard the going is for us critics in the face of entrenched evil, as Winston Churchill said once that these are not the dark days, but rather the great days. They are great because the cult is giving each of us an opportunity to find out the depth of our love of freedom." - Grady Ward.

From: "El Roto" <findme@google.com>
Subject: Re: Bogus Cult's Bogus Web Site
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:23:47 -0600
Message-ID: <3a0cae43.0@news2.lightlink.com>

<hkhenson@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ui4p7$vbq$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> In article <MPG.14761564f505280989907@news.earthlink.net>,
> Qbpbdqpd <Qpdbddpqb@aol.com.us> wrote:
> > Your theory seems to pan out since both of these pages have been
> > removed. I hope someone has a copy of their content for us to
> > review:
> snip
>
> The pages had actual death threats on them. I never saw them
> live, but printouts of the pages were part of the "evidence"
> filed against me.
Erp...the Criminal Cult manufacturing evidence?

Say it ain't so!

Steve G.

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