In article<trhpjtc78ir5fujgedc72cje99ci4v01mt@4ax.com>, Bob Minton <bobminton@lisatrust.net> writes:

>>As to what specific information she stole I think that we will have to get that
>>from Jolie herself and Moxon. And I think you know it.
>Jim, I'll give you a specific example of the type of information Jolie Steckart
>stole. Gordon Melton told a CAN Board Member after the CAN meltdown that "of
>course there was a plant in CAN and had you asked me I would have told you so."
>He then went on to say that he was in Rinder's LA office and saw "Minutes of a
>CAN Board Meeting" that were dated 4 days previous to Melton being in Rinder's
>office.
>
>The one thing that is clear is that Steckart stole everything she could see,
>take or hear and fed it back to Moxon and Rinder for 7 or 8 years. The
>management of CAN was paranoid about infiltration, bugging, theft etc. and at
>times even questioned you Jim as the leak. The extreme measures taken by CAN
>management to find the KNOWN leak of ALL the CAN legal strategy that they knew
>was flowing to Moxon never even included anything so basic as even checking the
>drivers license of Jolie Steckart. Also, they never even had her followed a few
>miles when she said she was going skiing with her rich uncle and instead left
>for a week or more to stay in North Barrington's horse country.
>
>The problem on ARS Jim is that there remains a few people, like DR who cannot
>accept the overwhelming evidence of Jolie Steckart being an OSA whore for eight
>or so years.
Diane Richardson is insane -- clever but insane -- most people here know that, and have had a bellyful of her withering on irrelevantly about this or that. Most practical-minded people have just killfiled her, or ignore her crap without explicitly filtering it. Ignore the slight, high-pitched whining noise coming from the far corners of the newsgroup: pretty much everyone else does. As for ignoring evidence, I thought you had CHOSEN not to publish the majority of it........?

You could always make the doubt even less convincing by publishing more and more of the evidence. I admit Diane and a few other nutter would not be convinced by a whole trainload of evidence, but with most neutral readers more evidence would mean more acceptance.

From: Monica Pignotti<pignotti@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <3Cl%6.2698$Kf3.26013@www.newsranger.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:45:19 GMT
In article <dt4qjtc4cvdmfnfcf82pj6q44l5ug1t2pa@4ax.com>, Bob Minton says...

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>>I don't see what this has to do with the downfall of CAN.
>That's why CAN was brought down Monica, because people like you could not see
>what was happening all around them.
Excuse me??? Just how did I not see what was happening? Perhaps because I was thousands away in New York City at the time? Am I supposed to be a distance psychic or what? There were no spies in the NY/NJ chapter office and that was where I volunteered and was on the Board. I was never in the Chicago office. I met Laura/Jolie a few times at conferences. You knew her much better than I did. I still haven't seen the evidence for her being a spy so I'm keeping an open mind about that for now, but if she was, then she fooled you too for a long time and CAN would have fallen, with or without her. Just what gives you the right to come on here and point your superior finger at people who have been involved in this work much longer than you have and say that we "could not see"?

I and others who volunteered for CAN were very much aware of what was going on around us. Scientologists were initiating numerous law suits against CAN that drained them financially. I saw this happen, one little piece at a time and lacking the financial resources to hire a legal dream team, there was little we could do about it.

Monica Pignotti

SNIP >Bob Minton wrote:
>
>>Jim, I'll give you a specific example of the type of information Jolie
>>Steckart stole. Gordon Melton told a CAN Board Member after the CAN
>>meltdown that "of course there was a plant in CAN and had you asked
>>me I would have told you so."
>>He then went on to say that he was in Rinder's LA office and saw
>>"Minutes of a CAN Board Meeting" that were dated 4 days previous to
>>Melton being in Rinder's office.
>Thank you, Bob, for this shocking information on J Gordon Melton. It has been
>reported that cult apologist, Melton, is on the scientology payroll. It is
>truly disturbing to learn that he was privy to information stolen from CAN.
Jim, you have jumped to a false conclusion. Melton, according to the info, only saw them on Rinder's desk. He was not shown them. He did not ask to be shown them. The documents were not discussed. He simply saw the top sheet of a pile of papers that on their face said they were CAN Board Minutes.

SNIP The above is for clarification.

Bob Minton

Group: alt.religion.scientology Date: Fri, Jun 29, 2001, 2:53pm (CDT+1) From: tommyboy508@webtv.net (tommyboy)
Re: CAN One must not forget, that the Cult Awareness Network was not just focused on $cientology.

They kept files and provided info. on 100's if not 1000's of destructive groups from A to Z.

In 93 and 94, I was in frequent contact with Cynthia Kisser re: personal and CAN related issues. She was a feisty and dedicated lady. It's not fair to blame the demise of CAN solely on the Jason Scott case or the Jolie S. (Laura >) intrusion.

Cynthia Kisser and CAN combined were bludgeoned with 50 or so lawsuits for several years. The cost to defend this Co$ conduct was astronomical.

Heck, even the IRS buckled from decades of legal assaults and gave in.

While defending all the litigation gobbling up time, money, and energy, CAN could no longer provide the services as a non-profit help organization for people seeking assistance for REAL harm in the REAL world....in the Moonies, Krishnas, Children of God, Boston Church of Christ, Co$, TM, and multitudes of other religious, social, political, self-help, and martial arts groups.

In retrospect, CAN needed to rid itself of the pit bull chewing at it's legs. reorganize and regroup of which it finally did with the Leo J.

Ryan Foundation (CULTinfo.) =A0 During the down time of approx. 3 years, AFF and Watchman Fellowship took up a lot of slack with with a sharp increase in calls for assistance with loved ones in destructive groups and related cult problems.

Also during that time, FACTnet certainly did a super job of concentrating on the public cult nuisance numero uno.-- the Co$.

Again it was NOT the single bullets of 2 incidents that took down CAN, it was the TOTALITY of the "war" that caused the fatal blow. =A0 As someone one who's endured 8 years and 11 months of death by litigation tactics just to shut me up and go away, I think I have a pretty good feel for how realistic, costly, and devastating this can be.

I am reminded of an excellent post Arnie Lerma did several months ago about $CN cult induced "litigation fog." I'm sure JimBB can verify first hand the thickness and the darkness of the "fog" in Chicago back then.

Tom ------------------------------
http://community.webtv.net/tommyboy508/TomPadgetts End of Tom Padgett Post Thanks Tom, That's what happened. And you have summed it so well.

I would just like to add that CAN, like Henson and you were NOT ALLOWED BY THE COURT TO MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY. So the jury got COS's version and only half the real story.

Just goes to show what intimidation, manipulation, blackmail and lots of money can buy in the good ole U.S.A. Same thing happened in the Lisa McPherson case, Narconon in Oklahoma and only God knows how many others.

Note also how long COS can draw out and delay, delay cases against them, but how quickly they were able to get CAN convicted. (who had to file for bankrupcy, both Capters 7 and 11) buy the CAN assets, and then buy CAN confidential records.

What Judge in his/her right mind would allow the sale of private and confidential files?

It's way past time for COS to pay the piper for all its illegal manipulations of our American system of Justice. And that goes for any judges, police officers, mayors, politicians, etc. who caved in to COS blackmail, harassment or gifts of COS' so-called "RELIGIOUS DONATIONS", which in reality are extorted, astronomical fees for WORTHLESS SERVICES.

Tigger

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