Today (Tuesday, June 7, 2005) at 11:00 pm, Fox News radio host Alan Colmes will take a critical look at CCHR, the anti-psychiatry hate group known as the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.

CCHR agreed to be on the show last week. Colmes' staff then went looking for a critic of CCHR who could also appear during the segment. They chose me. I warned them that when CCHR hears they'll be going up against me on live radio, they'll back out. And that's exactly what happened on Monday.

So now I get to do the ENTIRE half hour segment with Alan, instead of having to share the time with CCHR. Thank you, OSA!

You can listen to the show on streaming audio via the Alan Colmes web site:

http://alan.com

Fox News also has a web page with info about the show:

http://www.foxnews.com/alancolmesradio/

And a big "thank you" to MISTER Tom Cruise for making all this possible.

-- Dave Touretzky: "Tom Cruise put the 'T' in PTS."
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TomCruise

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In case anyone else had this problem. I downloaded Mozilla Firefox, then the windows media player via Mozilla and then successfully listened to the radio show via knews970 am.

Awesome show.

Dave and Alan kicked Bruce Wiseman's and his cult of scientology's perverbial butt. :-)) Dave simply refused to go into the defense of himself mode, rendering Bruce nothing to do but get all heated up just the way Heber did, while Dave made the points of scientology practising psychiatry via Lisa McPherson and Jeremy Perkins, and the Lisa clause. After the hour break, a female called in claiming to be a school teacher against "psych drugs". Alan repeatedly asked her if she was a scientologist, and it sounded like the "do birds fly?" TR drill in bull baiting- Alan won of course as she finally, after numerous repeats of the question, relented and admitted that she was. :-) There were more callers after that, who related their stories. A caller named Dave made the point of the Aleister Crowley connection, abortion and Hubbard. One guy went into the Kansas City org trying to get a job when he saw their advertisement for security guard job, etc. and they put him through "mental" tests and asked him for $1,200.00 for a Life Repair course instead of a job. So, he is thinking of reporting this to the authorities for bait and switch. Another guy called in and spoke of the cult's tables set up in the NYC subways, and their influence of the NYC firefighters post 911. A lady from Arkansas called in and mentioned OTlll and the body thetans prompting Alan to bring up Bruce's denial of the space opera aspect of scientology.

Susan

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Subject: Bruce "Heber" Wiseman goes nuts on Alan Colmes show
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
From: (Dave Touretzky)
Message-ID: <42a67402$1@news2.lightlink.com>
Date: 8 Jun 2005 00:28:50 -0400

Just finished doing the Alan Colmes show, and I must say, I really didn't expect this. Bruce Wiseman is a seasoned public speaker; he has his own radio show. He has testified before Congress. He's done countless media interviews and given countless speeches.

So why did he come totally unglued on national radio the moment I opened my mouth? He pulled a "Heber" and was ranting like an agitated mental patient.

The best theory I've heard is that he had Ricky Moxon breathing down his neck and ordering him to "always attack, never defend". Why else would the man publicly humiliate himself this way?

Alan Colmes really did his homework. He brought up the death of Lisa McPherson, and he read from the Lisa Clause (http://LisaClause.org) on the air. He cited my PerkinsTragedy.org and Stop-Narconon.org web sites. He talked about Scientology's belief in "engrams".

And Wiseman just sputtered and fumed, denied everything, and tried to keep the focus on attacking me. Colmes wasn't having any of that.

When asked to respond, I said: "I'm not going to respond to Scientology libel. You know what they say about wrestling with pigs, Alan. You get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."

God, this was fun! I think Colmes had a good time too.

As for Wiseman: I assume he's going to pop a Valium and go to bed.

-- Dave Touretzky: "Thank you, OSA! Very well done!" http://PerkinsTragedy.org http://LisaClause.org

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From: Dilbert Perkins
Subject: Dave T. on Alan C.
Message-ID: <LVupe.25679$J12.8817@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:58:19 GMT

Good program with a few pitfalls.

Alan Colmes did a great job calling Bruce Wiseman on the slew of ad homonym attacks leveled against Dave and other critics of Scientology. Every time Bruce would call people "bigots", "racists", "hate-mongers", and "felons", Alan would stop him. He told him that it was his show, and if he wanted to do that he could go get his own show. At one point he directly asked the question, "why do you attack people who disagree with you rather than answering the question? You call felons without any basis..." (I'm probably paraphrasing here, but you get the idea). Predictably, Bruce didn't stop so Alan had to cut him off every so often.

Toward the beginning of the show I should mention that Alan let the ball drop and Bruce attacked Dave rather viciously -- claiming some quotes by Dave were racist in nature (though they were likely taken out of context in order to appear racist). Dave's response was that he wasn't there to defend himself against anyone, but to discuss CCHR and Scientology. I wish he would have said something like "Bruce is quoting me out of context to take the focus off CCHR. I'm not personally attacking HIM, and I ask you not to indulge him further." Nevertheless, words must have been exchanged during the break because Bruce stopped his attacks for awhile.

I think Scientologists must have an anti-psychiatry script memorized. Whenever I hear this stuff, "statistics" fly out so fast it sounds fanatical. I don't think this is standard Hubbard tech. People appear rational if they speak methodically and calmly. Running off at the mouth with no focus creates quite the opposite impression. Alan was able to grab on to something Bruce said, amid a torrent that was bursting forth: "So you're saying that psychiatrists created racism"? Bruce appeared rather stunned by the interruption and affirmed that is what he said. What came after was a crazed harangue about psychiatrists and Nazis, etc. None of this addressed how racism existed BEFORE psychiatry. Dave explained that Hubbard taught psychiatry has been around for thousands and thousands of years. Unfortunately, Bruce started calling "pro-psychiatry" groups "felons", and that part of the discussion was not satisfactorily concluded.

There was a really entertaining moment when Bruce really started to squeal when Dave talked about Xenu and began to read OTIII. Enough was read so people got a little taste of what Scientology is really about. Bruce denied (i.e. lied) that the upper levels of Scientology were concerned with exorcising space aliens from your body.

Lisa McPherson and the "Scientology Death Contract" were briefly discussed. Bruce claimed he had never seen this contract. When Alan was reading it to him, however, he didn't hesitate to clarify it. Hmmm...

There were three callers. The first was a woman who defended psychiatry. She also criticized Bruce for his personal attacks against Dave.

The second was a woman who said her family was abused by Psychiatry -- twice. When asked if she was a Scientologist, she didn't answer the question.

The third was a man from Los Angeles. The call was off-topic, but basically called attention to Hubbard's involvement with Crowley and Satanism. It sounded outlandish, even though people who know about Hubbard knew that what the caller was saying was true.

I wish someone could have pointed out that CCHR is actually attempting to take away people's freedoms by limiting their treatment options.

After listening, it is clearer than ever to me that people in the media must be fully briefed on what to expect from a Scientologist. Alan Colmes handled most of this well, but it is impossible to keep a show focused when you've got a guest who is consciously creating pandemonium. Thankfully, what mostly came of this nonsense was the distinct impression that Scientologists are evasive and false. Bruce consistently demonstrated this with his "attack, never defend" tactics. He sounded unbalanced when he would answer direct questions about Scientology by shouting things like "the people who are pro-psychiatry are felons!" Honestly, I really don't want Scientology to change its ways -- at least not in this respect. It's just too damn entertaining.

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From: "Vreejack"
Subject: Re: Dave T. on Alan C.
Date: 7 Jun 2005 22:19:41 -0700
Message-ID: <1118207981.068248.322850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>

Dilbert Perkins wrote:

[...]

>
> There were three callers. The first was a woman who defended psychiatry.
> She also criticized Bruce for his personal attacks against Dave.
>
> The second was a woman who said her family was abused by Psychiatry --
> twice. When asked if she was a Scientologist, she didn't answer the
> question.

She answered "yes" the second time AC asked.

But you must have missed the next and best scn caller. This is an approximation of how it went:

Caller: Hello I'm a teacher and I have an anecdote about how "psych drugs" (her words) like ritalin are bad for children, etc....

AC: So you want to deny me the right to see the medical advisor of my choice?

Caller: Well, yes.

AC: Are you a Scientologist?

Caller: I'm a teacher.

AC: But are you a Scientologist?

Caller: I'm a teacher.

AC: But that's not what I asked. You can be a Scientologist and a teacher. Are you both?

Caller: Why are you asking me that?

This went on for quite a while, getting funnier every second. Finally, after dissembling for a couple of minutes, she says "no" and begins her second anecdote. All during her story AC was making fun of her. No matter what she said he would respond with a non-sequitur. "But it's Wednesday." "My shoes are blue." No one got to hear her anecdote through his monologue, but I was laughing too hard to hear her anyway. Great comm skills! Big Win!

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