Another story by an ex member 27 year member Chuch Beatty discusses INCOMM

Another story by an ex member 27 year member Chuch Beatty discusses INCOMM Narconon

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Dear Gerry and Arnie, Thanks for your recent communication, I spoke to each of you on the phone, and had several email cycles.

Here is my first post, coming out fully, I put this on the Clambake discussion site:

Chuck Beatty

Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 4:49 am:

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Hello, my name is Chuck Beatty.

I recently (Aug 2004) made several posts, using the name: CE.

I am CE. My name is Chuck Beatty. CE stood for my first and middle names, Charles Edward Beatty.

I finally got enough nerve to use my name. Thanks to many people's encouragement, and several other ex-SO member's fine examples, I now speak freely.

My Sea Org time track is 27 years long, and I'm relatively recently fully out (Dec 75 to Mar 03).

Here is a breakdown of my timetrack, and I am open to any and all questions regarding any aspect of my track:

Dec 75 to Mar 77. Tech Training Corps at Flag Service Org. Failed on my route to being Class 12 auditor, got up Level III on the Academy levels.

July 77 to Jul 83 Course Supervisor and Word Clearer for the Org Exec Course at Flag. (I made thousands of acquaintences in my years as a Flag course supervisor, most old-timers know me from these days, when I supervised or word cleared them on various training courses they did at Flag during those years.)

Jul 83 to Oct 87, I assisted on the Routing Forms project that produced the computerized routing forms used in all Class 5 orgs today. (Went to the Int Base, Gilman Hot Springs, outside Hemet California, first in Jul 83, and went there off and on over the next 4 years for routing forms matters)

Nov 87 to Aug 88, Course Supervisor retraining, and became the Sec Checker School Course Supervisor, Int Training Org, then at the big blue building, the "Complex".

Sept 88 to Jan 89, Researcher/Compiler on the Org Exec Course Checksheet project run by Senior C/S Int Office, at the Int Base. Failed on my project.

Jan 89 to Feb 89, Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), the one for the uplines people, situated at Happy Valley ranch, 14 miles from the Int Base, adjacent to the Svoboba Indian reservation. Enjoyed it, but that's me. Thought the people were generally great, both at the Int Base and on the RPF. Much milder than the "bad old days" so horrendously documented on the internet by older-timers than me.

Feb 89 to May 89, Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) at the big blue building, the "Complex", in LA. Again a great time for me, loved the work, there were 240 plus people on the PAC RPF then. Worked 2 shifts, finishing the renovations on the HGB (Hollywood Guarantee Building, middle management building on Hollywood Blvd, just down the street from the Hollywood Inn).

May 89 to Aug 89, Org Exec Course supervisor, Int Training Org, at the newly renovated HGB building.

Sept 89 to Sept 90, routing forms project under INCOMM (LA and I was once or twice at RTC Int spaces and INCOMM Int spaces)

Sept 90 to May 92, INCOMM computer rooms at LA and Int, worked as the night person, doing computer backups and maintenance, then later as the Daytime computer operations officer at INCOMM LA.

May 92 - Aug 95, Author Services Incorporated computer person.

Sept 95 to Dec 95, failed miserably as Exec Establishment Officer ASI.

Dec 95 to Jul 96, deckwork at the Int base. Great work, great people on the decks at that time. Really enjoyed it so much, would have liked to have remained a construction worker, and had anyone realized this and posted me there, then today I might not be making this post.

Jul 96 to Nov 2000, Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), again at the Happy Valley ranch, 14 miles from the Int Base. Really liked this RPF, but hated being kept there against my will. Loved the food, work, people there, scenery, but hated the captivity. (Saw the German news helicopters, and was hiding inside one of the red trailers when those films and photos were taken.)

Nov 2000 to Mar 2003, Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) again back at the big blue building, the "Complex", in LA. Again a great time for me, loved the old complex building, renovating it. Hated with a passion being under constant "watch" for over a year, and I was elated when I finally was free to walk off the property and take control of my life at along last.

Mar 29, 2003 to Jun 2004, I worked in LA, simple job, and read thousands of pages of internet anti-Scn sites. Read all the data on NOTs scholars, all the confid material, everything. I spent my spare time exploring LA, getting to know the city, hiking all of the mountain ranges around the city. I really got to know the city I had lived in for 22 years, finally.

Jul 2004, I have moved to Pittsburgh, and live with my sister. My plans are move around to each of my family members, living and working nearby each of them.

I am twice divorced (both my ex's are in the Sea Org and are great women. Ann Halblom Beatty, I think is Dissem Sec or Reg at CC Int. Janet Parker, is Invest Files at OSA Int.)

I will answer any and all questions about any moment in my Scientology history.

I plan to make posts about what I think are the main reasons the Scn movement is not succeding, compared to its claims, and why I feel they will not succede, which is why I left.

I've become an agnostic, I no longer hold any Scn beliefs. I am an existentialist, secular humanist (as best I understand those concepts).

I respect almost all Sea Org members still in the SO, and enjoyed working with them. I respect Scn members religious beliefs, but do not share any of them any longer.

I also respect the work of the many people who have created the internet sites and particularly think the work of Gerry Armstrong and Arnie Lerma (while I know posters have all variety of opinions about everyone and every site), have been particularly the most helpful for me. I've spoken to both of them on the phone, and am grateful they have stuck it out, and keep on going. Hats off to them both.

I will answer any and all questions about any moment in my Scientology history.

Chuck Beatty (CE)

Previous was posted to Xenu.net discussion groups, following is more information on INCOMM... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My INCOMM experience.

My association with INCOMM started back at Flag. I was a course sup at ITO (Int Training Org, which was a part of the old Qual Bu FB in 1979, and LRH in spring of 79 suggested to Greg Wilhere, then head of the ITO, to make it a separate org, which he did, keeping it placed in the Qual Bu FB). In spring 1981, INCOMM (not yet named such) was being planned.

There was a CMO Int Mission, called MCM (Mission Computerize Management), headed by Foster Tompkins (whom you surely remember, as he may have swung by Bridge or Pubs WUS back in the late 70's). The 2nd for the MCM (Mission Computerize Management) was Chuck Prenner. Chuck had been the Qual Sec ITO, so I knew him well. In fact I trained him on his OEC, and also his wife, Noomi Prenner, both on their OEC's at the ITO in 79-80. I was slightly disapointed to see them go off to the MCM, and MCM then evolved into INCOMM in 1981. ITO lost Chuck Prenner, Noomi Prenner, Barbara Tompkins (Foster's wife), Jorae Tibbits and one other person, to form much of the top exec corps of INCOMM when it formed in 1981. So I knew these former ITO staff well. But at that time, 81, I stayed at ITO until summer 1983, when I was nabbed (for my policy knowledge and encyclopedic reference handy abilities which I'd honed as the OEC/FEBC sup at ITO), and I went to CMO Int at Gilman Hot Springs (Hemet), and became the writing researcher person on the "Routing Forms Mission".

The Routing Forms Mission was supposed to tie in with INCOMM, in that the routing forms were being printed on paper, and designed with little boxes to be filled out in pencil, that could be read and scanned into a computer, and thus INCOMM was going to program the computer to suck in all the data off the completed routing forms that the orgs were going to receive, and this was a whole major strategic element in the original "Int Strategy" of 1982. You may or may not have heard of this, but it was THE strategy of the 80's, it was called WDC ED 86-3 (which means it was issue number Watchdog Committee 83, addition 3). (WDC EDs are CMO Int level issues only, but because this particular WDC issue was so important, the term "86-3" was the buzzword at CMO Int for the "Int Strategy", and that "strat" was known by all to be LRH's last Int strategy, and the final one he authored. Because it was so important, it's nickname "86-3" even filtered down to middle management, the FB, which was just moving from Clearwater out to LA. Therefore for years in the 80's the "86-3" strat was stable datum around which ALL of Int management's actions revolved. 86-3 had three parts, and one of the three parts was the "Routing Forms Project", which was the project I was on. LRH separately with his advices to Foster Tompkins on what LRH envisioned the computer could do (the famous "Chug Advices", which I've read numerous times and I suspect you will want the lowdown on what they say, which I will tell you in due course), LRH planned for the MCM mission to computerize managing, so the computer would basically do evals, issue orders, and run orgs like existing management does. That is what INCOMM was to do, computerize management completely, and replace the managers with a computer that monitored orgsl, evaluated, issued orders, and got execution.

For years this was worked on by INCOMM, to varying success. (LRH and Foster Tompkins, in my humble opinioin of ALL the advices I have seen, exchanged the longest, most intense of comm cycles. Foster was pretty brilliant at engaging LRH's mind, and LRH went on a major role on computerization ideas, with he issued as orders to Foster in the INCOMM advices.) Foster triggered LRH and LRH went on a role, page after page, going into whole-track stories about the "Duke of Chug" from some ancient galactic empire who was embezzling his planet, the computer picked up the traces of the embezzlement, checked Chug's bank accounts, found the embezzled funds, the computer looks for the person who will have to replace Chug's position now that Chug is soon to be arrested, etc. The computer orders the replacement to report to Chug's planet for duty, and the computer orders the Galactic police to arrest Chug and he's sentenced by the computer to be executeld, and duly Chug is executed. All with the "press of a button"! Anyways INCOMM has not been able to fully execute these advices in the years I was associated with them. INCOMM was able to do quite a lot, but not yet have they been able to "replace" management, nor do evals with the computer. A lot of time and unbelievable amount of programming has been done, but they're not there.

Most of the 80's INCOMM did what was called "TNT", which stood for "Target, Nudge and Tally", which was using the computer to keep track of programs, step by step, and Nudge and Tally up the targets. The whole FB and Int staffs all got INCOMM trained to "load" their programs, target by target, onto the computer, and then "run" the programs on each other, nudging each other, reporting compliane, and the computer tallied it all up, and when a program was marked as complete, then the program was done.

This went on for years, all through the 80's, and was one main activity of INCOMM. Another main INCOMM program was called "Orders Logging", which was for Miscavage, possibly LRH originally. I don't know to what extent the original INCOMM guys provided this to LRH, but I believe the "Orders Logging" program was for LRH originally, and Miscavage, and then others later, used it, as it trickled down to normal users. In the 80's I remember that anyone at any echelon could use Orders Logging, in the end. It simply kept track of a person's orders, with a number, and kept nudging the person up until the order was complete. Various versions of Orders Logging tied into the LRH Comm policy about escalating cramming and ethics gradients on the person who non-complied, and this Orders Logging program went through several evolutions. In 1993-4 when I was the Int Computer room operations officer, night shift, I remember Miscavage still was using Orders Logging. Nothing particularly sinister about it, nor any of the INCOMM computer programs I worked with.

I notice myself getting lost, sidetracked trying to relay the INCOMM programming, as they can lead off into the dull ordinary daily stuff. Possibly I can do a year by year rough categorization of the main INCOMM programs, and descriptions. 83 message system/stats system/Orders Logging

84-89 TNT (written programs tracked, nudged and tallied by the computer) Computerization of the routing forms Message system for all of Int and middle mangement Stat evolution totally on computer for Int and middle mgmt Personnel data base for Int and middle mgmt SP data base (list of all SPs and ex-SO) (used by Snr HCO and OSA and RTC) Org Flag Officer system totally on computer now Computerized Data Files system (scanned paper items, and text messages) LRH Copyrights system (now located at ASI, where the Copyrights Officer is now posted, her name is Alison Fine) Specialized Data Base systems for various units to replace virtually all paper file systems, and indexing systems.

Myself, I worked from 84 till 87 solely on the Routing Forms part of the 86-3 strategy, and in 87, I burned out, got busted. I was in and out of the INCOMM LA space during those years.

Not until 1989, when I got pulled back into the routing forms project, again, this time as INCOMM staff, where I got promoted to, then I went and spent more and more time in the Int Computer room, and observed how it was run. (Not sure what you want to know about it, there is endless details I could go into.) In 1990 about Oct, I started being the night operator at the LA computer room. LA at that time had about a 11 million dollar computer room, equipment costs alone (not including the physical flooring, walls, etc.). All the computers I worked with from 90-92 are now sold and gone, they are now obsolete.

But the routing forms, were part of a two part tactical plan, of feeding the computer with raw data. From 83-87 I worked and helped get the computerized routing forms printed, into use, and back to the computer and fed into computer data bases, and INCOMM was able to have the computer issue reports, that I then edited, cleaned up slightly, and sent to ED's of orgs telling them little things about what they should do in their orgs. It was a feeble beginning to part of the Chug Advices (Chug Advices and INCOMM advices are interchangable, and refer to all the LRH advices to INCOMM -- about 95 % to Foster Tompkins). So I worked for years with INCOMM, from the computerized routing forms angle. I was fully genned in on the INCOMM advices from my part, so I knew how the routing forms were to fit in with the overall bigger picture that INCOMM had to accomplish. The routing forms by themselves were a success, and in 1984, all by themselves, when they were implemented in the Class 4 orgs, the stats rose. Ever since then, till now the routing forms have been pretty successful, and a stable adminstrative feature in all orgs. I worked in the "bullet proof" control room that was supposed to stop people shooting their way into the computer room. I was instructed by the INCOMM security guard how to manually execute the "one button" program that would erase ALL of the sensitive OSA computer files. The OSA computers were about 3 of the 40 - some INCOMM total computers in the LA computer room. The really hot OSA computer with all the sensitive stuff they'd want to have erased if the FBI showed up, were all kept in one connected stack of computer disks. The security guard who instructed me on the procedure was Hank Gould. He himself didn't keep alerting me to these special duties, and it was more HIS responsibility to run into the computer room, since he was given access, and he was the one who periodically came in, and went right up the OSA Int computer, and did his little drill, like he was typing in the commands to erase all the data on the computer. From what I recall if the program was really run, it would take several minutes to erase all the data on the OSA sensitive data bases, on these old WICAT computers that INCOMM had in 1990-92 when I was there. So after Hank's initial instructions to me, Hank didn't expect me to run in and erase the OSA data bases, he was settled on doing this himself. Later in 1991 when I got temporarily transfered to hold the night shiift up at the Int Computer Room, the guy who ran the Int Computer room, Rog Kernbach, didn't gen me in on the erase program. If it existed at the Int INCOMM site, he ran it. Hank was obsessed with his security duties at INCOMM. Hank was the person who drove the magnetic tapes off to a confidential storage facility somewhere around LA, where ALL the data from ALL the LA computers and ALL the Int computers were kept. Wherever that was, I never found out.

I knew Tom Rummelhart, the guy who flipped out, sent the OSA report to the FBI or wherever he sent it. That was great! Oh boy, good thing I had gotten promoted out of INCOMM by then, otherwise I would have been toasted too back then.

Editors note - this is the infamous "Miss Blood" operation run on Ex-Flag Cramming Officer Dennis Erlich's ISP - Tom Klemsrud.)

But by the time of the Tom R flap, I was safely at ASI. I did get pulled over and Sec Checked to ensure I wasn't doing anything like Tom, and I passed my sec check and kept my post, which was the ASI Computer Operations Officer, at that time. But all of INCOMM staff sure got the shaft, except the Int Computer guys: Rog, Pat Buglewitz, John Dunn and James Perry, they got off much lighter than the rank and file guys at LA. The Int INCOMM guys went through far less ethics, I know because I was able to call them, like normal on the phone, which I did almost daily, from ASI. At ASI, I always had questions of things that came up, and I was calling Rog, John Dunn and James Perry almost 3-10 times a week. The Tom R flap at INCOMM went on for months. Tom R should not have been in the SO, he didn't have the mindset, he was way too green, and couldn't tolerate the totalitarian BS like a regular good older SO member learns to tolerate. It is too bad Tom's mischieveousness didn't get an even greater hold on him, and he might have sent off a lot more sensitive material to the Justice Dept or LA Times, or something. That would have been something. I think it funny now, but I could never have done that, at those times when I had the same access and computer power as Tom R did. Tom replaced me as the LA Day Operator in May 92 when I went to be the ASI Computer Operations Officer in May 92. He was far more qualled than me, I was a self-taught computer room person, Tom has a Masters from Cal-Tech Poly here in the LA area, he's a serious tech nerd. I'd like to see and talk to him someday. We'd worked together in the LA computer room off and on for a year together. That whole INCOMM flap that Dan Garvin wrote so well about, what an overkill RTC did on that. Norman Starkey was the I/C, two or three of the top RTC sec checkers were on that mission, etc.

It was serious overkill, and the rank and file caught the most shit, as Dan laid out. Guys like the Int INCOMM guys all got off the hook and me, I totally got off the hook, having been promoted to ASI's computer room. ASI's computer room was a dream, since at ASI there were only 28 staff to service compared to the LA or Int computer operator's public was 500 to 1000 staff to service. I being the hardworking type, went downhill over the years, I was lured into the out-ethics upper echelon of less work, same 12 hour days, but a lot of finger-twiddling, and doing insignificant computering for higher ups. When I was at ASI, around 94 Norman and Maria Starkey got removed as ED ASI and ED ASI Communicator, and they went uplines and did the decks, and filtered into RTC staff in 95, which is where I last saw them hanging out, in 96, when I finally left the base and went down the road to "Happy Valley" where the Int/Gold RPF was. At ASI I hated Barbara Ruiz, who may be ED ASI currently, I am not sure. She was one screaming bitch, has a lisp, a pronounced Spanish accent, and is a true upper class Mexican family's prima donna offspring. A Mexican JAP (Jewish American Princess) type. For her alone I couldn't take staying at ASI, and in Sept 95, I was promoted from Computer Operations Officer to Exec Esto ASI.

When Exec Esto, I realized I would have to handle Barbara's lack of understanding of English, and boy did I not want to do that. I failed on HCO lines, which are part of the Esto duties, to be able to handle getting new personnel, and I torpedoed myself and set myself up for the RPF, to make my exit from ASI.

The other ASI staff I liked: John Allcock, great guy. Most were in the upper level advanced state of fog, mixed with lots of access to wog life goodies, that ASI staff have.

To succede at ASI you almost have to overcome a repulsion for middle class (upper middle class) trinketry (500 dollar suits and clothings, 40 dollar haircuts, my worst were my 350 dollar shoes which were the same model as one of the pairs of shoes Travolta wore at one time). I couldn't take the mindset, and went spluey. But at ASI, we got the "OSA passarounds". The OSA passarounds are the daily news clippings of ALL the bad news and good news clipped from the news services. I then read about Vaughn Young and Stacy Young. I read about Archives.

I heard every bad angle of every news story. I then starting getting paranoid that I someday was going to turn into another defector, Vaughn being the last. I being nowhere of his caliber, but I could not help my bad thoughts of thinking I was headed out into the same territory as Vaughn, using my insider knowledge to paint the picture as it was on the inside, so that those outside could see what it was like.

That I could not shake, and could not hide, and that area of thinking I was always going to come out and spill all the beans that I could, never left me. Now, 8 years later, here I am, telling you, doing the exact things I feared, while I was sitting in my swivel chair in my air-conditioned little computer operations office, safe in the bowels of the ASI computer room, on the 4th floor of the ASI building on Hollywood Blvd, living the perk lifestyle of an ASI staffer, getting $250 takehome per week, and paying a piddling to the Estates Org for rent ($60 per week). ASI was an out-exchange lifestyle compared to the lifestyle of the rest of the Sea Org members at LA and at Int, particulaly the Gold staff, they get it the worst, worst schedules, many times no pay (worse pay scene for Gold staff than the LA orgs).

There was a heartlessness from CMO Int and Exec Strata staff towards Gold staff over the years I had the opportunity to notice the small things in people's lives while I was uplines. LRH in advices at Int, about Gold staff was pretty brutal over the years, and that look down your nose mindset towards the Gold staff was adopted automatically by CMO Int, Exec Strata and RTC staff towards Gold staff.

All this I realize might go right over your head interest wise, but at Int there is always a major climatic ebb and flow of vibes towards the orgs doing well, and those doing poorly, and each week at the Friday night briefing that Miscavage does and did for years, for all Int base staff, he defines which was the wind is blowing, and everyone looks down their noses in the correct direction. I hated that. I hated seeing Gold staff getting dumped on and blamed for the worst goofs routinely. And Gold staff are mainly made up of all the busted staff from CMO Int, RTC and Exec Strata. So at Int there was (and I am sure still is, because Miscavage has it ingrained and it won't go away until he goes away), this tension and Gold staff are the low men on the totem pole. Sometimes you can see Gold staff look on a higher org staffer like "if you keep that up, you'll be joining me in Gold, and we'll see how well you survive down here!!" I thought that many times myself, like if Miscavage were busted to one of the hot Gold posts, and denied funding, denied all-hands assistance, how well he could ge the lower level posts done, and get some of his own medicine. On the Internnet Scn critical sites, there is often talk of the harshness in Scn and the SO, well at Int, there is a cruel ingrained mix, which I have just given you a slight glimpse of. The RTC staff who are stable, meaning there is no real threat of them getting kicked out of RTC and busted down to Gold, they are like a sort of royal set. CMO Int is much more volitile, with only a few CMO Int staffers that are so entrenched, they won't move up to the RTC level, and won't ever get busted down to the Gold level. Exec Strata, there is only ED Int himself who has lasted the years, all the other Exec Strata heads have either gone on to CMO Int, or done to Gold over the years. Exception was Dianna Hubbard, as DSIEI (Div Six Exec Int), who was pretty stable. She had been off lines, elsewhere, then came back onto the scene uplines in the late 80's, as a gold staff member, and then in the 90's moved back up to DSIEI, and that's where she is now I believe. Anyways. I need some tips on ordering of my writings. I will strive to make this less rambling and more readable. From INCOMM to these last sentences, whew, I get lost in my thoughts. Enough for this message, which I was trying to just stay on INCOMM.

I'll talk to you later. I'll try to pick up the INCOMM thread after you respond to this. Chuck

Chuck Beatty on INCOMM Part 2:

Physical location of INCOMM LA. It is in the ground floor of the Complex Building. As you go in the 'Horseshoe' entrance, it is the second door on the right. It may or may not have INCOMM written on the door, because at various times, they will not want outsiders to know it is the entrance/exit. This is the staff entrance/exit. Wog public come into INCOMM from the Fountain Ave entrance, on the corner of Fountain and LRH Way (across from AOLA building).

If you were outside the complex, standing on the steps that slope up gently up the main entrance of the Complex, on the Fountain side, meaning you are standing on the Fountain Ave sidewalk, facing the complex, at the middle of the block, then the actual location of the INCOMM computer room, for LA, is the section of ground floor building immediately to your left, as you face the Complex. The whole left wall facing the streetside (Fountain street) on your left, is the back wall of the LA INCOMM computer room. If you punched through that wall, you'd be in their computer room itself.

So as you come in the Horseshoe entrance, you wind your way through several offices, until you come to the raised computer operations room, which is about 1 ½ feet up from the ground floor, since the whole computer room area is on the normal computer room raised metal flooring (like normal wog computer rooms, the floor squares lift up and cabling runs the length and breadth of the INCOMM computer room itself).

You know you are at the INCOMM computer room because it takes up the whole back wall section of the building, raised floor, smoked bullet-proof glass, and screens and so forth and you can see right into the room, into where the computer operations officer on duty is sitting, handling the screens monitoring the whole LA computer systems.

The only people allowed in are the operator on duty, INCOMM security, RTC execs, INCOMM execs. Possibly visiting CMO Int terminals, like when there was an INCOMM WDC Member (for a short time, then the post was nixed, because LRH didn't include INCOMM on the list of areas needing a WDC member over it, and today there is a Computerization Dir RTC over INCOMM, and CMO Int is not above INCOMM at all, that's the way it was last when I was there � 1995).

The INCOMM programmers come to the door occasionally, and I used to let them in, have to be there with them while they were in the operations room, and the programmers would give me their new software (at that time on floppy disks), and I'd take it and install it.

Also, the INCOMM programmers, during my time (90-92, and likely up till late 95), would program on a special computer, and then when their programs were tested, a higher INCOMM exec than me would do the tape transfer, or hook up a physical link, and copy the program to the actual user computers. This was all done inside the "middle" big computer room, which held the bulk of the 44 INCOMM WICAT computers at that time period. (Today that big middle computer room I heard is a "tennis court", joke, since the new IBM computers are so small and hold all the disk space that the 44 old INCOMM WICAT mini computers held.)

When I worked at INCOMM, they had about 44 computers (the old 5 foot tall, 2 foot wide, 2 1/2 feet deep, standup WICAT models, which were “mini�? computers, meaning they were NOT the old clunky mainframes, but cheaper (only $90 G's each) WICAT mini computers, used for multiple user sites, like for universities, for faculty and student's use. They are obsolete, and gone today I believe. I think the whole system after the Tom Rummelhart fiasco, was replaced with PC compatible IBM machinery.

I suspect they went to IBM because the top computer guru at INCOMM in the late 80's and early 90's came from IBM in Australia, Paul Wilmshurst (his wife went SP by the way, Susan Wilmshurst, she's American, he's Australian). As an aside I recall Paul telling me in private he hacked and screwed up an enemy computer site in the early 90's, like 92 or 93, meaning he hacked into some of the Scn critical sites, and nuked them. He's the guy who did it. Him and my guess would be if anyone else helped him, it would have been James Perry.

But I recall congratulating him on his doing this one time, he being happy to brag a little about this exploit, casually. He's not some big bragger type, he was just proud to have taken out some site. I assume if there has been some problems in the early 90's, he's the main culprit that the church used. It was a one on one conversation, and I sort of pulled it out of him, but he was happy to tell of his exploit. I think he may have even been sent out of the country, and went to Australia for a few weeks, to avoid being questioned about it, when whomever it was that complained. This would have been somewhere between 92 and 95, sorry I can't be more specific. It's be his word against mine.

Other people to ask, who are inside, who would know, would be James Perry and John Dunn, both programmers for the church, and topnotch debuggers of the whole INCOMM Int and LA software systems. They were still with the church as of 2004. I've seen John Dunn on the streets of LA, spoke to him one Sunday morning (he was the best man at my second marriage, and we were good friends), and I'd see James Perry loading an INCOMM van around the complex in late 2003, and both are the longterm hard working INCOMM stable programmers. Both have been operations officers, and programmers. As you might know, programmers look down on operations officers, as programming is a much higher skill, and only busted programmers end up slumming as computer operations officers (the operations officers having to handle the telephone traffic from users complaining about all sorts of minor gripes and computer glitches on a daily basis).

John Dunn is in LA currently. James Perry is up at the INCOMM Int computer room.

In 1995 I know the INCOMM Int computer room was going to expand or move. I know where it was in 1995, but I cannot vouch it is in the same location.

I cannot vouch for the current backups procedures at INCOMM LA. I used to make the backup tapes at nights and on weekends. I then boxed them up, and Security INCOMM drove them to some warehouse and stored them. I don't know its location, and cannot vouch that they do this. The reasoning for off site storage is fire damage and total destruction of the computers. At least if the tapes of the data on the computers is stored offsite, then all you need to do is buy and set up new computers, and restore the taped computer data, and you are back in business.

An important fact is that the daily backup tapes are kept in the computer room for up to 3 weeks, and then once a month, the Security INCOMM person would take all the tapes in boxes to the outside storage facility. So at all times, in the computer room, you have complete tapes of all data on the computers, sitting on tape racks, with data in those tapes of the whole computer system. That tape rack will always be full of tapes, and always right there inside the inside middle computer room (there are 3 layers of computer rooms � the operattions room, then the big middle room which held most of the computers, and then the far back room which just held more regular computers). The tapes that are there on site at all times, are in the middle big room of computers. All the computers were equally “confidential�?. During my stay at INCOMM LA (90-92, and up to Dec 95 I'd visit occasionally from ASI) INCOMM LA used the WICAT mini computers to hold all the computer systems used by all of the HGB staff.

The HGB basement has a big computer room, which in 1995 was just a relay station from the HGB to the Complex, which I believe was by Microwave dish, from building to building. It might have been by telephone cables, but I think it was by dish. I know that the connection from INCOMM LA to INCOMM INT is via microwave dishes off the top of the Complext aimed towards Mt Wilson, and them Mt Wilson relays them to another site that relays the computer transmissions to INCOMM Int's microwave dish. I don't remember where the dish is at Int, but it's probably observable from aerial photos of the Gold Base, probably up around the Mtns edge. ASI's computer hook up to the HGB system via land cables, and ASI staff thus have message system capability to stay in immediate touch with RTC and CMO Int staff as needed. The ASI computer systems are identical to the LA and Int systems. ASI's software was often better, and very rarely worse, than the same INCOMM software systems at LA and INT.

I can detail all the software systems I can recall in another message. The actual hardware/software locations are: a) Int INCOMM for all the Int stats and data files b) INCOMM LA for all the HGB level and OSA Int level stats and data files (all the OSA computer data is right there in the LA INCOMM computer room and was when I was there, because OSA is NOT categorized as an Int level org). Although all OSA staff have Int clearances, or did, when I was around, my then wife Janet Beatty (maiden name Parker, 1st married name Findley) had Int clearances, and on SO event days, we'd hang out at Int during the 3 years I was at ASI. (Janet divorced me after 7 years of my being on the RPF and not being done.)

The flow, physical, is microwave from INCOMM LA in the complex, to the HGB and back. Then from the roof of the Complex via microwave to INCOMM Int, via Mt. Wilson microwave relay station, and via another microwave relay station between Mt. Wilson and Int's microwave dish. And ASI to HGB and back via land cables, I think AT&T.

Then there is CST (Archives, in the Mtns which you probably know, I can't recall, but their location is findable, somewhere in the Mtns around LA I believe), and it I think is hooked up either by microwave or cable to INCOMM LA, and thus to INT, also. Not sure its exact hookup, but it's either cable or microwave.

My data is Dec 1995.

Oh, just recalled, the Computer Operations guy at CST/Archives, was Wade Starr and he routed out in 1996. Might be a guy to chase down, as he knows a lot of insider stuff on CST, as he had to do all kinds of emergency communication gizmos for CST, which is LRH's baby as far as keeping all the LRH knowledge on those metal plates, etc, which is what LRH wanted his estate $$ to be spent on first priority. Wade was a recalcitrant on leaving, they couldn't handle him. His CST auditor “messed�? up on his auditing, and Wade blew, was recovered, and I met up with Wade, we were both on the decks in spring of 1996 (I went to the Int RPF in un 96, Wade routed out). (I remembered a few names, current CO CST was Russ Bellows, wife Sara Bellows the auditor.)

Back to your question, I have no data on erasing all the data on the new computer system, as I haven't seen it. But the old command, Unix, was “del */*/*.*�? and it took a few minutes to run is all. The old program had some stupid dramatic name, but I can't remember it.

INCOMM Int's space was cramped, in the middle villas, the three rooms on the right end of the middle villas building if you are looking at the villas from Bonnyview. It was really a shabby setup, and I know from 95-2000 Int did massice renos, new CMO Int Building, new RTC building, and Del Sol was turned into the auditing rooms for staff auditing now (which means that OGH, Old Gilman House, probably is berthing for fuckups again, like it was off and on in the 80's, but I have no hard data). When I drove by Gilman Hot Springs in Dec 2003, which I did just because I wanted to see all the new construction, I couldn't see much from the road, due to the trees strategically planted to coverup the CMO Int building and RTC Buildings. I can't say for sure, we need a new Int level defector to help out, but I believe the RTC building is to the east of Bonnyview, and the new CMO Int building is to the west of Bonnyview. I can't say for certain, but I highly believe Bonnyview is still where it was. Although I am not positive that it wasn't renovated/etc. with all this other construction going on. In 1995 bonnyview was the same space, having been renovated 2-3 times since 83, and LRH's Bluebird mobile home was there, at the car garage where 2-3 of LRH's vehicles still were.

INCOMM Int had, while I was there, and I observed this up until 1995, its own backup tape racks, and the INCOMM LA security guy would come get the INCOMM Int tapes and store them offbase as well. For sure that has changed since the Tom Rummelhart fiasco (Jan 95), and INCOMM Int goes stores the Int Base computer tapes off the Int base somewhere I would suspect, but I don't know for sure. Rog Kernbach, James Perry or Pat Buglewitz would know that, or could answer that question.

Pat Buglewitz, is THE techie at INCOMM. He has physically been a part of EVERY single step of the physical setup of INCOMM LA, INCOMM space at the HGB, INCOMM ASI, CST's computer setup, EVERY INCOMM physical site. He did the actual physical setups himself. He's been CO INCOMM, he knows everything about everything, and is a VERY good person, easy to work with, great guy. I liked him a lot.

If there is any question about the INCOMM physical system, he knows the answer.

He and Paul Wilmshurst are the two smartest guys and most knowledgeable computer guys at INCOMM.

John Dunn used to be the ASI Computer guy, under DM when DM was at ASI. John Dunn got busted form ASI in 1989. Chris Johnson replaced John, and I replaced Chris (who blew and was recovered, she didn't like being a computer operations person, she's since been busted to Gold).

The Command lines, are from Computerization Dir RTC (a Dept head in one of the production divs of RTC), to the CO INCOMM. Then INCOMM has a normal 7 Div org board. I think the lady named Cathy �?.. is CO currently. I know by face a lot of the execs. Pat Buglewitz, and his wife Patrice (she's always been a DCO or Chief Off or Div head level and always a good exec in INCOMM, personable, not a computer nerd, but an exec type), both have been in INCOMM since approximately 1984.

Oh, there is also an INCOMM CW (Clearwater), and it is under the CMO in Clearwater, it was up to 1995. Paul Johnson has been the longtime CW computer person. When RTC execs and Norman Starkey visit CW, we LA or Int or ASI computer operators had to ensure that their “computer message�? traffic all flowed to CW, so they could go to the CMO spaces in the WB building, and handle their message traffic (this was in the early 90's I recall). The INCOMM network, message system, software allowed the computer operations officers of the various sites (ASI, Int, LA, CW) to switch a user's message traffic to land at one site, so the user would get and receive his message traffic at that location. That was just a peculiarity of that INCOMM software at that time. It may or may not be that way software wise now.

I have no data on ANY of the INCOMM software systems since Dec 95, but I know they planned to get RID of all the WICATS, and I am sure they have since then.

I heard someone, oh yeah, an INCOMM member on the PAC RPF, in 2003, tell me that the WICATS were gone, and the big middle computerroom at INCOMM LA was like a tennis court now. The new computers were so reliable, that this computer operations officer didn't have to handle very many phone calls, like I did in the old days of the WICAT systems. (The WICATS were late 80's computers, and very unreliable hardware and software wise, but they were easy to learn, use and program.)

Dan Garvin knows about the standalone table model WICAT computers that OSA used, and the PCs he says they later got themselves and bought off the shelf software to use for their own purposes (smart of them, as INCOMM programmers took forever, and often came out with faulty programs in the 80's, 90's).

COB RTC had a standalone WICAT table computer, which I know that Rog Kernbach, the Int INCOMM operator, had set up for COB (Miscavage), to hold what are called the “COB ASI�? advices. These were the advices from LRH to DM when DM was COB ASI.

I took these advices off of the ASI computer, meaning the COB libraries of LRH advices were removed, and I deleted them all off the ASI computers, and put these on tapes and gave them to Rog, who put them on a standalone WICAT (150) standalone table model computer, for COB to hook into them, so no one else could see them. I checked those advices out briefly, and saw nothing particularly sinister about them. If they contained anything nefarious, I missed it. I kept no copies of the “COB�? advices at ASI, they are all at RTC last I knew, in Dec 95. Not that this means anything particularly, just shows how Miscavage thinks, like these advices are to him personally, NOT to the COB ASI post, which by the way CEASED to exist the moment Miscavage moved himself from ASI to RTC in 1989. At ASI, it left Norman Starkey as head, from his then post of ED ASI. The COB ASI post ceased to exist on the ASI org board and isn't on the ASI org board as of Dec 95 when I left ASI. That is minimally a minor corporate violation, for an RTC member to remove LRH ASI traffic and take it to another corporation, RTC. Just a little odd, I think. Like Miscavage was ensuring no one moved up to COB ASI post, and thus would have been senior to him. Sort of covering the possibility. Maybe in all my writing so far, this is possibly the most useful bit of data firsthand I have. Confirms Miscavage's tactic of elevating the COB RTC post, and the retroactive action of obliterating the COB ASI post (I did this in 93, 94 or 95, make the CO ASI tapes, and remove the COB ASI advices off the ASI computer). I think I even non-complied, and left the advices somewhere on the ASI computers, out of my dumb sort of rigid sticking to basic policy viewpoint, thinking to myself, “what would LRH do?�?, and leaving the COB advices on the ASI computer, because they were labeled “COB ASI�?.

Chuck Beatty on INCOMM Part 3:

While I was in INCOMM (1990-92) as a Computer Operations Officer, and likewise at ASI (1992-1995) as Computer Operations Officer, I was intimately connected with the SIR data bases. These are all of LRH's issues and advices, in computer data bases, so the relevent execs and staff, from middle-management, up to top management, can access and read LRH source materials. FLO (Flag Liaison Office), which is in the HGB (Hollywood Guarantee Buildling), corner of Ivar and Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, those guys have limited access. They don't have the Int level advices, they don't have any access to ASI (no one has access to the ASI advices except ASI staff, when I left in Dec 95). FLO has access to HCOPLs, HCOBs (but not the controversial non-confidential HCOBs about "Heaven Implants", those HCOBs are only on the Int base SIR HCOB menu, as of Jan 89, last time I saw the "Heaven Implant" HCOBs on the Int SIR HCOB menu). FLO has access to FO's, LRH Issues (meaning Flag Ship Orders, Orders of the Day, Central Bureaux Orders (CBOs), Technical Individual Programs (TIPs), various LRH written programs, Ethics Orders (written by LRH), and various other issues. The OSA staff have their own issues nowadays, which are kept secure to their floor of the HGB, in otherwords the OSA issues (which have LRH bylines), don't leave the OSA floor. But the normal HGB staff member on the other floors, all can get computer access to what I said in this paragraph. (I don't recall and don't have data on OSA advices, which I think are only on the Int INCOMM SIR data bases, but I don't remember exactly on them.)

When I was a computer operator at INCOMM LA, the computer room in the complex, which I described in my other message to you, I remember the SIR databases were all on one or two INCOMM computer. And the backup tapes for the middle management SIR menus, were separate tapes, which we kept in the computer room. The point being that the full LRH data is physically on tape, in the LA INCOMM computer room, very likely, as we speak now.

At Int, in the Int INCOMM computer room, I was last visting there in Nov 95, the same scenario applied. There would be backup tapes of ALL of the SIR menus on the Int INCOMM computers. INCOMM Int has a considerably greater number of SIR databases. LRH gave advices to ALL of the major units at Int. There are menus for the SIR advice databases which are quite specialized: Cine, Music, Grounds, Exec Strat, CMO Int (broken down by year groupings I seem to recall, as CMO has A LOT of advices to it), RTC (which of course only RTC members can access, and in fact the higher of an org you are in, the more you can gain access to the lower SIR databases), and there are all sorts of issues LRH wrote that don't really belong at the middle management level, and the guys at Int have these extra categories.

The point is, that both the INCOMM Int and INCOMM LA, both will have tapes of their full SIR databases, at their respective computer rooms. Because it is basic computer room policy to have those tapes nearby, meaning in the same room, or directly adjacent to the room with the computers, that is why I am pretty confident that the SIR database tapes will be at each INCOMM computer room as we speak right now. (It was that way for ALL of the time I was associated with INCOMM Int and INCOMM LA.)

Like I said in my first message, I don't know the actual physical location of the Int INCOMM computer room, if it has moved since I was last there in fall 95. If it hasn't moved, since Dec 95, it would be at the west end of the "middle villas" at the Int base.

When I got busted in Dec 1995, within the first couple sec check questions I was asked, was about did I have anything, like the SIR tapes. Those would have been the hottest items to have taken, I realize now that I am out, and talking to you at this moment.

It would be very difficult, I think, for me when I was there, to even consider walking out with the tapes of the full Int SIR databases. How someone would do so today, I can't imagine there being someone on the inside with the mindset to do so. The INCOMM Int guys when I left in Dec 95, were Rog Kernback and James Perry, and occassionally John Dunn would hang out at the INCOMM Int computer room. I am sure that Pat Buglewitz is intimately familiar with the INCOMM Int computer room, as he physically did most of the physical setup of it. None of them are the defectee type, that I can see. All are married, and their spouses (except Pat) are at the Int base also. Only John Dunn is single/divorced (as of spring 2004).

It is only after months and months of reading critics' postings, am I even considering this now. To have ALL of LRH's writings exposed to sift through, would be a good thing, I feel now.

A side story, in 1994, when I was the ASI computer Operations Officer, I was asked to put COB ASI's advices on a pc, so that two ASI staff could work on the advices, proofread them, which is the procedure to ensure that the copies that are installed on the computer are good, and don't have typos etc. I put all the ASI COB advices on this pc, and the two ASI staff did the proofreading, and I copied the proofread advices back off the pc (personal computer), and I forgot to delete the COB ASI advices off of the pc. Later, a couple months later, that pc I used for something else, like I swapped it out and gave it to another staff member. The pc broke down for some reason, and I then sent the pc out to get fixed, by a wog repairman. I didn't realize that the pc had the COB ASI advices still on the pc, when I sent it out. I freaked. Somehow I caught what I had done. But the pc was in "wog" hands for about 24 hours, and so the COB ASI advices could have been picked up, had the wog known what was there, and had he copied them.

The point is, that staff, make mistakes, like this. This one is pretty rare, but it can happen.

In otherwords raw LRH issues DO sometimes end up right smack dab in the wog world accidentally, due to staff screwups (and I was at ASI when I made this mistake). Needless to say I was thoroughly sec checked on my goof, and I passed, because I was not trying to get the COB ASI advices into "enemy" hands.

Don't know if this data is useful or not.

Best, Chuck Beatty

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<hr> Subject: Re: Another story by an ex member 27 year member Chuch Beatty discusses INCOMM
Organization: The Buttersquash Conspiracy
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:40:25 GMT

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:49:59 GMT, arnie lerma <alerma@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>Chuck Beatty

In addition to a course completion in 1976 (Source #7), placing him chronologically almost exactly, Chuck Beatty was also the administrative contact for a Scientology domain the nameserver of which was the infamous theta.com.

Incidentally, the only other confirmed INCOMM alumnus we have recently had on the newsgroup (Dan Garvin) also had the dubious honor of being a domain contact for one of the theta.com domains.

I'd call this a very good, if indirect, indication that this guy is exactly who he says he is.

I still wonder what "RTS Films" is. Or "RTSTHEMOVIE.COM." Revolt in the Stars? If you're reading this, Mr. Beatty, I'd be interested to know what it is.

(7051 Hollywood Blvd. is ASI, of course, so whatever it is, it's a Hubbard property of some kind.)

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<hr> From: chuckbeatty77@aol.com (Chuckbeatty77)
Date: 23 Aug 2004 06:53:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Another story by an ex member 27 year member Chuch Beatty discusses INCOMM
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I am brand new, this is my very first answer to an ARS message. I am chuck Beatty, the 27 year , Ex-SO vet, '75-'03, and you are asking about RTS. Well, my guess is that this refers to Revolt in the Stars, the LRH film script, written in late 70's or very early 80's, by LRH, and which ASI is still sitting on. It's a pretty close to the OT 3 story, movie script that LRH wrote. I saw the story board audio presentation, while at ASI, and it ends with the space ship being pulled up from the ocean, and the movie starts playing of the whole story, in video form, and the spectators looking at the space ship, include I think the President of the US. I was at ASI from May 92 till I went off to go on the decks, and then the Int RPF. I left LA to go to the decks, on about 19 Dec 1995. I hit the RPF finally at Happy Valley, around Jun or Jul 96. Stayed at Happy Valley, never leaving the ranch, until Nov 2000, when I returned to LA, having transferred to the PAC RPF, where I stayed still I routed out, leaving the Sea Org, and walking down the street away from the complex (big blue building) on Mar 28, 2003. Ask me whatever you want. I will try to figure out how to answer any further questions. I am not familiar with how to use this ARS system. Chuck Beatty, ex Sea Org, 27 years, '75-'03

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Anonymous Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 05:14 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Hi,

What happened to Pat Broeker and his wife? Are they still in the Church or did they get declared or shut up?

Thanks!

chuckbeatty (149.174.164.83) Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 11:39 pm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Anne Broeker is uplines. Last I knew she works in the unit called F & E, and takes photographs on the base, and does photography cycles.

She can't go off the base too often, since she was such a heavy hitter, she's on the list of Int staff that used to not be able to be in the Int spectator section, due to their high positions in the past. This may have changed, but I think the Int staff don't even go to public events any longer. But if they do, if someone does some videos of the people, the best way to see who is still there, is by seeing who attends events.

She did the RPF in the late 80's, when Pat blew.

I met her on the RPF in Jan 89, and I liked her. She was an MAA on the Int RPF at that time, and a very smart, nice person.

Probably still is.

I saw her uplines when I was an ASI staff member, and in Aug 94, I think it was, at the after Sea Org day ceremony activities, all the various Int units were getting group photos done.

I can't recall if she was the one who actually took the photo while we ASI staff had our group photo taken, but I recall just before it was our time to get our group photo, I watched her taking shots of David Miscavage, and she apparantly is a very good photographer.

She probably still works in some similar post. Because she has such high level insider knowledge and WIDE WIDE extensive knowledge of all aspects of LRH's activities in the 80's, she probably will continue doing posts related to special things that she would need NO briefing to handle. In otherwords she has been there, done that, or heard about, almost everything regarding what is needed and wanted on any of the Audio and Cine lines at the Base. LRH has done EXTENSIVE writings on all aspects of the production lines at the Int base, meaning the Gold movie and audio production lines.

This is my educated guess. I liked her, and she is probably doing great at whatever she's doing.

One last time I met her, spring 96, she was walking 3 dogs, and they jumped on the dog that I was accompanying, I had to give one of the 3 dogs a boot, and she was very apologetic about "her" dogs' bad manners. This was on the south side of Building 36 on the base, in the bushes on the south side of Building 36. I was accompanying Dave Medina's dog, a great partial black lab named Micky, and the dog under Anne's care was named "Babe", I had to give the boot to Babe so she wouldn't bite Micky.

That's all I know with my own eyes.

Chuck Beatty (ex-SO) '75-'03

PS: The black lab called Micky, was an exceptional dog. Later, in 99-2000, Micky came to Happy Valley, where I was then RPFed, and Cassavias Tabayoyan, then one of the execs for the farming staff at the ranch, trained Micky to guard the chickens at the ranch. Micky did an excellent job of chasing down another dog, a terrier, pinning the dog down, until we could go grab the terrier, and put the terrier in its cage. Micky was a very loved dog on the Int base for the years. There are a number of beloved dogs, that all Int base staff loved. For years and years dogs used to be allowed to run free at times on the base, Micky was exceptional.

Anonymous (64.12.117.20) Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 12:46 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Chuck, any clue as to whether Cassavias Tabayoyan will ever contact his parents? I'm sure by now you've read the sad stories of their disconnection.

Just wondering if you'd ever discussed it with him. thanks

Anonymous (64.12.117.20) Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 12:48 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Also, if you don't mind answering: How bad are living conditions at Happy Valley? and can you describe your time on the RPF?

again, thank you for your wonderfully descriptive posts

:-)

chuckbeatty (149.174.164.83) Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 05:30 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Two answers below, first on Cassavias, second a starter answer on the Int RPF.

Re: Cassavias T.

Well Cassavias is an exceptional person. He really is a great guy. Oh, I hate to break anyone's heart, like his mom or dad, who I would err in saying I am sure he misses, but I cannot say what his emotions are. I did not broach the subject of his feelings, but my guess is he misses them. He is a very mellow person, always has this serene smile on his face most of the time.

We nicknamed him, Mr. T, us Int Base RPFers who were the ones who worked for him, on the Int Base RPF. (We never called it Happy Valley, while we were there. We just called it the "ranch", and Cassavias was ranch staff, and he was for a long time one of our daily seniors who gave us jobs that needed to be done on the ranch. I loved the work, loved the people.

I have to say with some sorrow, that Cassavias changed his name completely, and he is now legally (although I didn't see the papers, but assume due to other talking about it, it is true) he's now named Michael Prbyzylski, and he legally became the stepson of Dan Prbyzylski. Not that Dan P is not a great person, which he is in his own right. But it is sad, to have to let out this info, which probably will cause some sorrow with Cassavias's real parents, who may have hoped to see him again. Cassavias is a great person, very calm, very serene and I think married now too. I enjoyed working for him. His parents, Andre, and mom, would be proud of him. He's a very nice person and a good exec to work for. He was promoted off the ranch, and I am not sure where he went actually. I think either the Int base, or possibly Flag. God, I hate to say this, but the whole reason Cassavias came to change his name to Michael Prbyzylski, was to distance him from Andre, sad, sad news, I hate to relay this. I have no data, but I assume it was NOT his idea to change his name, but I honestly do not know, but my inclination, is to dub in that someone suggested it to him, like the Gold MAA, who was ordered to do so by someone even higher, probably RTC. All my dub in, but that is how I read that. Realize Cassavias is still the same person, there is nothing ill in his own intentions from my view, towards his parents. It is just the picture painted of his dad, was pretty evil, by the church magazines, that said some pretty drastic things. To me, it reminds me of the same predicament that Val (Schomer) Page was put in, when Homer was declared. Same with Cassavias. One of the tragedies of the church policies. I am sorry to have to relay this.

I like Cassavias and I liked Andre when I met him in 81 when he did the OEC/FEBC at Flag, and I either supervised him or word cleared him, and I also met Andre when he was on the RPF in Jan 89 when I was on the RPF then at Happy Valley briefly also. I hate these family separations, even though it is not my family, I hate to see it. It is really sad.

No, I couldn't ever discuss this, with Cassavias, even though since I was one of the main, top farm/ranch workers.

Anyways, I chatted alot with Cassavias, renovated his ranch berthing room, did hundreds and hundreds of project targets for his ranch post areas, but never would it be appropriate to talk about his dad. I was there, when we on the RPF were asked to start calling him Michael. It was awkward, since RPFers normally refered to Dan Prbyzyslki as Mr. P and we referred to Cassavias as Mr. T (for Tabayoyan). So the time we had to not use his old name, we didn't know what to call him. It wasn't too big of an issue, we just said "Sir", oh, I remember, we started to call him Mr. P Junior. Yea, Mr. P Jnr. that didn't really fly though either. Sounded odd, we stopped calling him that when talking to him, but that is how we politely referred to him, because in between RPFer conversation, it wasn't kosher to say "Michael told us to .....". So we said "Mr. P Jnr" when talking amongst ourselves, and I just said "Sir" to him. I think my good RPF buddy Francesco Frau still just called him Mr. T. Then he got promoted to the Base or to Flag, and he wasn't the ranch boss for us RPFers working the farm/ranch duties.

Okay, second answer, RE conditions.

Conditions were exceptional compared to past RPF standards. The whole Int RPF had a rampup to it by the time I arrived in Jul 96.

Realize the whole ranch has been thoroughly renovated, in the early 90's.

From other, mainly Bruce Hines, I found out that the late 80's RPF was cancelled, and everyone came off the RPF and back onto post, sometime, I seem to recall, in 1990. Bruce told me all persons on the Int RPF were given the choice of routing out, or coming back to post. All chose to go back on post, with 2 or 3 exceptions Bruce told me, I seem to recall.

Then the Int ranch was transformed into the Int ranch for the sons and daughters of the Int Base parents. This was a joyful developement, and the "motels" (I am assuming you are familiar with the ranch, so am using the building names as known to those who have been there) were all reno'd and were the kids dorms. All very nicely reno'd. A whole renovation, and rock walls, all done by the kids themselves, and these steller older kids then graduated the ranch and went onto posts at the base, which was their goals in most cases. Anyways, to make a long story short, the whole ranch got a major facelift, all buildings renovated, repainted, the swimming pool was opened up, and the "garage" was renovated, even the Campbell house, where the ranch execs lives, was reno'd. A whole new asphalt road was put in. A huge fire pit, and meeting ground, playgrounds, horse corals, dog houses, etc., etc., goat pens, and the kids did the farm work.

Then in 94 - 95 there were quite a few bad busts and people wanting to leave, like about 10 or so, and they were over on the west end of the base where persons in bad graces, off post, on the decks, were housed, past OGH (Old Gilman House).

Eventually those 10 or so persons while still living on the Int Base, out west of OGH, were being ferried daily to the section of the ranch, to make a clearing, and start setting up a new housing project where they would move to eventually from the Int base. And that area of the Int ranch then became the site of the same RPF trailers, seen on the German News reporter videos. It was planned, to open the new Int RPF, in August 1995. It sort of opened, but wasn't fully ready, for various reasons, but the 10 or so deckees all moved over, and they started living, and doing decks there. Then gradually they went onto the RPF program, adopting some, but all of the RPF issues as their guides.

Reason was they didn't adopt all the issues just point blank, realize this is Int. The Int base is where issues are reviewed and rewritten, and it was known that the last RPF was a bit of a failure, the one terminated in 1990, so by Aug 95 when the new RPF was being opened up, it didn't have the issues yet. The RPF issues were on the list of things that RTRC (Senior C/S Int office unit called LRH Tech Research and Compilations) to revise. So the baddies had to start the RPF without the new issues, and at least they had the Golden Age of Tech binders to use, to train the totally greenie RPFers. Anyways, the new RPFers blundered along quite well, as when I got there it was a pretty happening scene, happy RPFers mainly, one exception, one guy never agreed to do the RPF, and he became my role model when I wanted to first route out, in 1997, I failed in my first attempt though to route out.

the lack of new RPF issues, was sort of cart before the horse, as sometimes happens, or often happens, depends on your time-track or memory, anyways, those 10 were now about 30 by the time I got there, and they seemed to have a cheerful RPF going by the time I got there in Jul 96.

When you say conditions, I think food, sleep, mattresses, furniture, materials, heat, air conditioning, type thing. Well, we had good food, we had air conditioning in our dorms and in the course rooms for auditing. We had heat in winter.

Food was brought out from the Int base every lunch and every dinner, using hot boxes. Same tasty food the base got. Only JAP (Jewish American Princess) types could complain about the food if you ask me.

I am and was Mr. look on the bright side, no matter what, and I loved the place. Flowers all over, looked like boot camp for bunch of female gardening freaks.

Also, re the food. At the Int base it is really excellent, and has been for years. As a Sea Org member, my ASI, Int RPF, PAC RPF food was ALL better than either my own dad or step-mother ever cooked. Better meat, better veggies, better deserts. No complaints any more on the food, from 92 till I left in 2003.

We had all the materials to maintain our site. Tools, raw materials, since the ranch is a kind of dumping ground, and Dan P used to pick up all sorts of freebies, and leftovers from the construction going on at the Int Base, the ranch ended up with all sorts of raw materials. We had a tech film room, we did all our own renos and people on the uplines RPF are generally pretty sharp people, who know which way the wind is blowing, meaning they know what is going to be acceptable to senior RTC persons, even COB, coming to inspect the site, which he never did though in the 4 years I was there. This translated into a very sharp looking RPF site, even though in the German film, it may have looked like a trailer park, from the air.

After the helicopter videoing, we spruced it up even more. We built a few more buildings, replace some dilapidated ones. And in the end of 1999, we actually demolished all the old trailer park trailers, and all the kids at the ranch were now pretty grown up, and they got promoted either to the Int base, or to Flag orgs or PAC orgs. And then the whole RPF moved over to the "motels", and the RPF conditions just shot up a whole other notch. And with the kids all gone from the ranch, we then ate our meals in the "Main House", as it is known. And we did all the kitchen duties, from then on too. I did alot of kitchen duties, again, I liked it. I liked all the work, I am not a whiner about anything.

The Int RPF smokes the PAC RPF, as you might imagine. It is still going, I imagine, and still probably the best, from an RPFer's perspective.

Let me know if you know the Int ranch well, and I will tell you much much more, regarding renovations of buildings, which buildings are used for what, etc.

I really enjoyed my whole Int RPF stay, it was comfortable, fun work, I loved it. Not a lot of people love to dig irrigation trenches by hand, but that is right up my alley.

I was there 4 years, each year, I did so many things, it would take a book to cover it all.

The things I hated, I will leave to a separate post. I had two engramic moments, in what I consider the most degrading moments. I can tell you my really bad moments once you comment on the above and ask any questions on the above.

Then I can get into what I hated while at the Int ranch RPF, which may be too much for a single post.

All for now.

Chuck Beatty ex-Sea Org, 27 years, '75-'03

<hr> Subject: Chuck Beatty (ex-Sea Org) 1975-2003
Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:05:47 -0700
Message-ID: <d539d572.0408220905.78d3553b@posting.google.com>

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