In article <20010421154356.19852.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com>, Arcjoe1 says...

>I was talking to a Sea Org member in March and he said *I got into
>Scientology just after the bad old days* so maybe things are changing.
I wouldn't count on it. That's been the standard line from Scientologists for years now, that it was in the past and that it's different now. Some people seem to think that now that Hubbard is dead, things have changed. Well they haven't. What's really remarkable is the consistency of the reports of abuse in the Sea Org, whether they come from recently exited people or people who were involved 30+ years ago. As long as LRH is considered source, I wouldn't hold my breath for things to change.

If this SO member thinks things are different, he could be a new person in the honeymoon stage. He's in for a rude awakening.

Monica Pignotti

>Ask Tory and other long term members about this. The bad old
>days, the really bad ones, happened after DM took over the cult and
>started his reign of terror and purges.
Let's not forget that there were really bad days when LRH was around as well.

Were it not for LRH and his tech and policies, there would have been no DM as we know him today. What's remarkable is the consistency of the reports of abuse from SO members, whether they happened today or in the 1960s.

Monica Pignotti

> The honeymoon stage? Psych.
That's okay, I've been called worse. Sorry if I gave you a misunderstood word, so I'll define what I'm talking about. The honeymoon stage is when people are new to the organization and have no clue about what really goes on, with regards to the inside organization and/or the secret upper levels. After awhile, the new recruit gets past this stage and little by little begins to see things that they think are wrong with the organization. This usually starts out with brief, fleeting thoughts or feelings that are never allowed to remain in consciousness for long. Typically the thoughts get suppressed and the person rationalizes that it must be something wrong with how Scientology is being applied, rather than anything inherently wrong with LRH or Scientology or the person blames himself and tries to purge with an O/W session or an ethics handling.

Nevertheless, like it or not, these little doubts grow and grow, usually very gradually and often subtly. The doubts are constantly being countered with fears the person has of of leaving Scientology, so it's a difficult struggle between the doubts and the fears. Most people fortunately do get past this and are eventually able to leave, although some it would seem, allow their fears to win over and are in this for life. What stage would you say you are at in this process, Nelson?

One ex-Scientologist made the analogy of having a shelf behind her that kept gradually accumulating things on it. Finally, after more than 15 years of involvement, the "shelf" broke for her and she woke up. It took nearly 6 years for my "shelf" to break but once it did, I was out of there, and have never had any regrets. One question you might want to ask yourself is how long will it take for your shelf to break and set you free?

Monica Pignotti

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