Nancy Many's intercepted mail

A-018-071202-Many-V1.txt

 21        Q    All right.  Do you recall a set of
 22   circumstances -- and I'm just going to ask you a very vague
 23   question -- a set of circumstances where you discovered one
 24   of your private e-mails had somehow been intercepted?

 25        A    Yes.

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  1                  THE COURT:  Do you want to date this?

  2                  THE WITNESS:  Nineteen -- when did Lisa die,
  3        '95?

  4   BY MR. DANDAR:

  5        Q    December '95.

  6        A    I keep getting confused.  January 1996.

  7        Q    What happened?

  8        A    Well, first, I wrote the e-mail in the fall of
  9   1995.

 10        Q    Who did you write it to?

 11        A    A woman named Kim Baker, who was on the Internet,
 12   and she was very much confused.  And she struck a chord
 13   with me, because she was going back and forth:  I'm in
 14   Scientology.  No, I'm not in Scientology.  Scientology is
 15   good.  No, Scientology is bad.

 16             You know, she was just a very confused woman and
 17   having a very hard time with it.  And I do believe she
 18   posted some things that were negative about Scientology.

 19   This was all in Africa.  And I knew --
 20                  THE COURT:  Africa?

 21                  THE WITNESS:  Yes, South Africa.

 22                  THE COURT:  Okay.

 23        A    But it was on Internet communication.  I
 24   privately sent her an e-mail, just that I understood.  And
 25   she wrote back, "How could you possibly write to me because
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  1   I am on the list?"  You know, the declared people list.

  2   And if you're a Scientologist --
  3                  THE COURT:  Who was that?  You were on the
  4        list?

  5                  THE WITNESS:  No.  She was on the list.  I
  6        was not on the list at the time.

  7   BY MR. DANDAR:

  8        Q    You were still in good standing --
  9        A    I was still in good standing, absolutely.  And
 10   she was saying:  "How could you write to me?  I'm on the
 11   list."

 12             And I wrote back to her saying that I was not
 13   concerned about her, talking with her.  I was concerned
 14   about the people that OSA would place near her to spy on
 15   her.

 16             And that was the content of the e-mail.  And I
 17   wrote that in the fall.  And in January 1996, I got a call
 18   from the last case officer that I had had at OSA Int --
 19             Who had called periodically throughout the years
 20   to ask me to volunteer for different things.  I mean, it
 21   wasn't like I would move; five years later.  I mean, I had
 22   had talks with her.

 23             -- to come and meet her.  And when I did at OSA
 24   Int, I was handed this private e-mail that I had sent her.

 25        Q    And what was your reaction?

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  1        A    How ironic.  I mean, obviously, they had somebody
  2   close to her or -- I mean, it was -- just the irony was
  3   unbelievable to me.  And I had signed my real name.  I
  4   mean, I said, you know, I'm not -- I wasn't trying to even
  5   be covert on the Internet, you know.  And I told her at
  6   that time, because she had been my case officer, that --
  7        Q    You're talking about OSA Int now?

  8        A    OSA Int now.

  9        Q    Okay.

 10        A    This is 1996, January of 1996, and I am in the
 11   office of OSA Int with the person who had been my case
 12   officer throughout these years that I worked for them,
 13   towards the end.

 14             And she hands me this e-mail.  And I'm telling
 15   her that it was funny that it came up now because I had
 16   recently resolved for myself my moral dilemma.  And I said
 17   to her that I felt that what OSA Int did to some degree in
 18   different things that I was involved in were not morally
 19   correct.  They might not have been illegal, okay, because
 20   we're not talking illegal.  And I know most of these things
 21   are done by PIs and other -- Scientology is not the only
 22   one that does these kind of things, manipulative things.

 23   But I said it doesn't change the fact that it's not right.

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/kimbeast.txt

"They wanted my e-mail, and I agreed. I had several disks stored elsewhere, which they never got to see - (these are now all destroyed). I took them to my place of work at night, and copied some of the e-mail for them. Most of it was stuff I had downloaded from the net, public stuff. I handed them a package of mostly useless information, information that they already had. I made sure, as I was copying it, there there was nothing really confidential in it.

The FACTNet charter was one, but that was a matter of public record, which they already had, from the non-profit organisation application.

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