Others have made an attempt to have dialogue with Scientologists . I think you have mentioned the "sneer" before and I can well attest to seeing that in some of the plants put on me over the years. The "I know more than the smartest among you" came to my attention pronto.

One must face the fact that you are dealing with the True Believer who Hoeffer has outlined in his book. Zieglman and Conway outlined it in "Snapping".

Steven Kent has shown it in his many brilliantly written articles.

The fact that these Scientologist do not know about the "net nanny " is really sad.

I would hope all three (and possibly that fourth one?) would run to the library as soon as possible and type in Xenu.net or lermanet.com and see what the keeper of the netnanny hopes to keep hidden from them.

Thanks to you and Jeff and John for making yet another effort to enlighten the True Believers of the LRon scam.

Ida j. Camburn

That which promotes psychic health and the full vital aliveness of the mind deserves support. That which undermines such health --encouraging fixation, regression, perennial immaturity, and blockages of relationship between the individual and his environment--is suspect.

from "The Mind Alive" by Overstreet

From: "ewsnead" <erik.snead@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Meeting with the Ministers and Scios
Message-ID: <oFLm9.29712$CN2.11308@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:52:52 GMT

Magoo wrote in message <3d9a55f1@news2.lightlink.com>...

>A friend of mine who set up the earlier meeting with the Ecumenical Council,
>me and Dr. Kent
>asked me if I'd attend with him, to "Meet with some local Ministers and
>Scientology".
>
>I knew it would be a farce, but I also didn't want him taken to the
>cleaners, (with they lying, which they did all night long)....so with that,
>I went. I also asked Jeff Jacobson to come, and he was kind enough to come.
>
>It began at one of the ministers homes, in Pasadena. He suggested Gayle
>Carrol speak first for 13 min's and then John could say his side. She
>basically read out of "What is Scientology" (or better labeled, what ISN'T
>Scientology). I sat amazed....hearing the ol BS.
>
>"We of the church are striving for a world without war...blah blah. " Sounds
>SO good--yet is in actuality
>SO far from what they actually apply.
>
>Then onto the farce/"Creed".....ALL men have the inalienable right to speak
>freely, think freely,
>OH YEAH>>>>STOP THE MUSIC!!! I couldn't say anything yet, as we had to let
>her finish, and then John could say whatever he wanted. Then questions and
>answers.
>
>I sat there wondering if any of the other 5 religious people there believed
>~any~ of it.
>
>Ok...John had TONS of information. He began in 1960's and moved forward. He
>got in a lot of things,
>and also asked some hard corps questions.
>
>He had mentioned the net nanny....to which Gayle said, "Gee....I've Never
>heard of anything like that"
>(Doing the Scientology Smirk, of course)...have you? She asked of the other
>two: Jay Curry and Tim Bowles (why NOT bring an attorney,,,,to a religious
>meeting?) Both nodded, never. HA! Oh yea....
>
>He mentioned suicides and again Gayle said, "I don't know what you're
>talking about-I've never heard
>of ANY suicides, have you, Tim?" To which he and Jay agreed, "NO". Right!
>
>Long story short....I finally said, "You SAY you believe man has the
>Inalienable right to speak"...however
>you declared me a Suppressive Person (where no one can talk to me) and your
>group has just recently
>tried to remove things from the Internet, which is a HUGE violation of Free
>Speech.
>
> I had figured my "Declare" might be something interesting for these
>ministers to read, so I brought my copy. They each read it. They were
>amazed. "You don't really declare someone a
>Suppressive Person do you?"
>
>Gayle: "Yes...we do. Just as Hitler was an SP.....so is Tory an SP."
>Truly amazing to me that these people have bought OSA's BS SO much, without
>EVER
>even asking me "what happened?" It's a lot different when You're on the
>other side of the fence,
>I will say that.
>
>That probably wasn't their smartest move, as none of the ministers felt I
>was what is known
>as "an SP". Even Gayle admitted she'd never even read my Declare...which
>shows how their
>"Religion" goes. If someone says so, they all agree. Never even
>asking....why?
>Gayle also tried to pawn off that there are really only a 'few" SP's. I
>blurted out:
>"A FEW???" Try a cast of THOUSANDS!!! She didn't want to hear it, and again
>smirked to her
>friend.
>
>One minister asked me, "Well....is this all true?" I had to re-read it, as
>I'd forgotten it.
>Once I did...I said, "NO". He asked why I didn't counter it then. I told him
>it was a
>"Mute point by the time I'd seen it"...explaining my own "Church" trying to
>pin a Criminal
>Conviction on me for sitting in a red Santa's chair, and failing.
>
>It went on and one and on. All I could think of was my friend (who used to
>be in the Sea org)
>asking me, 'How do you know
>when a Scientologist is lying?"
>
>"If their lips are moving".
>
>I mentioned about the medical malpractice..and again Gayle said "That wasn't
>true".
>I said "I LIVED IT!!". She still denied it...stating "LRH wrote in the early
>'60's that if
>someone needed medical attention...they should see a Dr." She didn't want
>to hear about
>they taking me off my medication, and the effects it had on me, although the
>other ministers did.
>
>One area of BiG concern was the money. John had mentioned the price,,,and of
>course they tried
>to pawn that off as "untrue". They went into how one can "Go to your local
>library and read a book".
>One of the ministers said he was concerned about they trying to sell
>salvation. I nearly gagged, If he only knew they have NO salvation at all.
>
>Oh my! We couldn't FILL a wagon with more BS than these three could hand
>out.
>
>Jeff summed it up the best at the end, saying, "The day Scientology stops
>harming people is
>the day I will stop picketing".
>
>Although they swore they wanted to "Heal all of this, and move on"...they
>never ONCE took up
>ONE Thing.
>
>They could care less about REALLY "healing". IF they did, to begin with,
>They would really listen,
> which they didn't do AT ALL.
>
>Such a perfect example of how uncaring they really are.
>
>Most of all, I sat there sitting THANK GOD I AM OUT OF THERE!!!!
>
>My thanks to John and Jeff for being willing to face up to these liars,
>trying to spread some
>light in such a room filled with darkness.
>
>:)
>
>Love to all ~~~
>
>Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the light~

Its difficult to even find a footing for reasonable conversation when the totality of the Scientology spiel is a lie. There is so very little traction since there are too few (if any at all) points of agreement.

L Ron Hubbard found the lie very much to his liking.

A renown psychologist (I can't remember who) once said that the lie was a means to control others.

Its in the main a control mechanism.

Food for thought...

e

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El Ron Hubbard at cause over MEST: "Mary Sue, where's my GODDAMN rum 'n coke!!?"

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