The timelines are DM-challenged. They are "short" on the subject of David Miscavige. :-D Now's your chance to really show your stuff. Now's your chance to wax expert. Now's your chance to make your case.

I'm asking for it, I know. But what the hell. I'm putting the effort into these "When and Who of CST" timelines so they can put the truth there, whatever it is, wherever it leads. So I do want them to be as relevantly complete as possible.

A problem that I had run into myself, and then had called to my attention separately (not in this newsgroup), is an amazing scarcity of ACCURATE CHRONOLOGICAL information on everyone's favorite Rear Admiral (except for Rear Admiral Rectanus who turned up in the timelines, and to whom DM may now have to take a back seat).

This is especially true for all years up to 1981, when DM, suddenly, it seems, is in a position to remove Mary Sue Hubbard from office, right around the time Sherman Lenske becomes "L. Ron Hubbard's personal attorney." Right.

I am not and have not been omitting DM out of any desire to reduce his role in any way. The problem is that his background leading up to mid-1981 is a haze of conflicting reports and VERY broad-stroke date information. Nobody, it seems--including the little twerp himself--will pin him down anywhere in any very identifiable post or position or status.

We have testimony--and a picture!--that puts DM "working personally"

with L. Ron Hubbard at La Quinta and/or Hemet and/or Gilman (nobody seems willing or able to narrow it down) "by 1977" and, supposedly through the end of 1979. But he is alleged to be all sorts of things, from cameraman to Mission Ops, and in the CMO and not in the CMO, with no accurate dates for ANYTHING. A full YEAR is the narrowest increment of time I can pinpoint, e.g., "throughout 1980," or "in 1979," etc. But even for those references, there always seems to be testimony that contradicts.

(BTW, I have developed a particular fondnes for the fact that the one and only known image of L. Ron Hubbard that emerges from his career of filming/fleeing/filming/running/filming/fainting in the desert is--on film? No, no. He somehow managed never even ONCE to get himself captured on celluloid while doing all that filming. Nope.

No, the one and only known image from the period is with him posed like a window display at the taxidermists, in garish cowboy garb, framed OFF CENTER in the photo. Why off-center? Well, to allow the camera to capture, at the CENTER OF ATTENTION of the photograph, the intense young cameraman who just H-A-P-P-E-N-S to be the intense young thug who, within a few years, kicks LRH's wife off post and takes over. I feel that it was very, very modest and accomodating of L. Ron Hubbard to approve that photo of himself, and not even realizing JUST what significance it would later have. Why, it's almost like he was OatTee! Or stuffed. Or digitized in.)

Okay, enough fun. No laughing!

Now, I can't tell any of you what to post, and I can't stop you from squandering bandwidth--as I just did--on things that don't contribute to getting the facts sorted out chronologically.

But I can ask nicely. Bev taught me this. And I am asking you all very nicely to please, please post information about whereabouts, posts, ranks, duties, assignments, seniors, juniors, and organizations pertaining to DM with as NARROW TIME PARAMETERS AS POSSIBLE, and AS MUCH CERTAINTY, PREFERABLY VERIFIABLE, AS POSSIBLE.

The order of preference is:

1. Day-Month-Year (e.g., "29 March 1980") 2. Early/late Month-Year (e.g., "late March 1980") 3. Month-Year (e.g., March 1980) 4. Quarter-Year (e.g. 2nd quarter 1980) 5. Season Year ((e.g., Fall-1980) 5. Early-mid-late Year ((e.g., mid-1980) Please, PLEASE DON'T post long wandering diatribes or vague reminiscences. Please.

And please, please, please check your facts before posting.

While I'm on that subject-- ================== BEGIN MESSAGE TO PHIL ================== Phil, you have now, for about the fifth time, flatly and bombastically assured everyone with great authority that CST was set up in 1977, thereby "proving" how I, CL (grab onto it as a mnemonic for CLOCK), have "lost my credibility."

Please.

You are only muddying the waters, and I think that CST has enough high-priced water-muddiers to keep the waters murky until the end of time.

Please do just the tiniest, teensiest bit of homework before mouthing off. (I'm ~reeeally~ trying, Bev, to be ~NICE!~) The "Church of Spiritual Technology" (CST), doing business as the "L. Ron Hubbard Library," founded by Meade Emory, Leon Misterek, Sherman Lenske, and Lyman Spurlock, was incorporated on the 28th day of May 1982. The only name, though, that appeared on the Articles of Incorporation is Sherman Lenske as "Sole Incorporator."

Got it? (See, Bev, I didn't use all caps when ~I~ said it.)

So, to get you started on your road to credibility recovery, see if you can find the answer to THIS question, as closely as you can narrow it down:

QUESTION:

When is Stacy Brooks, and I quote, "posted as Org Officer for ASI working directly for C.O.B. of ASI, David Miscavige"?

HINT:

Your reference source should be "Declaration Of Stacy Brooks Young, 13 October 1994," filed in United States District Court, Central District of California, #CV-6426-HLH (Tx); Church of Scientology International v. Steven Fishman and Uwe Geertz.

BONUS QUESTION:

On what date in 1982 does the Supreme Court uphold the conviction of Mary Sue Hubbard, finally ending all hope of having the conviction overturned?

Phil, fire up Google, and I just KNOW you won't let the us down.

================== END MESSAGE TO PHIL ==================
Okay, DMers everywhere. Bring me your DM dates. Let's find out just exactly how he got where he is.

I realize that this may force me to go back, yet again, into the dim past years of '77, '78, and/or '79 and ONCE AGAIN have to revise those timelines. Damn it.

If you give good DM date, I'll make sure a commendation is filed with the Reports Officer RTC.

CL

>If you give good DM date, I'll make sure a commendation is filed
>with the Reports Officer RTC.
>
>CL
On 19 December 1979, David Miscavige, as Action Chief CMO Int, issued an order by telex (#191264) into the "Church" of Scientology of California. The telex ordered that changes be made to the Purification Rundown HCOB of 8 February 1978RA. The next day, HCOB 6 February 1978RA-1 Addition of 20 December 1979 "The Purification Rundown - Errata and Additions" was issued under Hubbard's name.

Warrior

Deah CL.

You are very good at researching the records, an admirable job. I defer to you in those matters, there is no way I have the time to even begin to do that level of research.

However I connect dots pretty well, and accurately according to my experience in 60 years of hind sight. Not perfectly but not too bad either. So I reserve the right to cull all available data and my experience and common sense, loosely or not, and form an opinion.

ymmv. In my case I knew Stacy in 1975-77 and I watched her meet and marry RVY. ( I was not on staff, but paying public).
Sort of like if you knew a 23 year old girl working for the IRS as a switch board operator, and then years later I report to you that by age 27 she was deputy IRS commissioner or the head of Dick Nixons cabinet. You'd say...no way, it just does not fit... you'd have to see more than her testimony on that subject or peripheral data.
It doesnt fit in context with what we know of politics generally.

the good old boys hold sway and the 28 year old young ladies just aint in that ball O wax yet..... regardless the corporate shell game the cult plays.

I do agree with you estimation though that DM is a front guy and was backed by the CST to over throw Mary Sue et al. It does not follow from that, that Stacy is a govt op or whatever though imho... you see?

I think you are stretching the dots a bit.

Backing up a bit.... doesnt it seem odd to you that the CST suddenly appeared at the 1982 incorporation filing and set up DM in that that same year to do the mission holders purge? Not too likely imho. I think you will find on further research that the CST thang started in 1977...and if you really did you will find the the Govt tagged Hubbard badly in the mid 60's (1965 or so) and that marked the beginnig of the end.....

well except of course for the 1955 US army training manual on Brainwashing that Hubbard at least edited and added to.... that has to tell you something about the Hubbard US intelligence connections going back some time..... obviously the Army just didnt contact phatso out of the blue to do the book.

I dont think you need much of a clue, but here is a clue for you anyway... imho, I dont think much of US govt black ops are documentable by legal filings.... thats why they are called black ops... going only by legal filings may be pretty late on the chain.
So accordingly I think your research is excellent as far as it goes, but that you have not connected all the dots perfectly. But I do support your right to speculate on that issue as well.

It is speculation after all that leads one to investigate an area and discover more links.
My remarks regarding the CST founding date of 1977 are from much earlier posts that I did not log from one of the real or fake old timers posting at the time. I forgot who...and NO Im not going to take a week away from my business and search. You seem interested though. I suspect you will find some sort of establishement of the CST in the 1977 range by Meade Emory...not necessarily involving those involving the CST and Author Services you document to 1982.

There seems to have been several different filings regarding the CST the last batch transferring the copyrights and trademarks to the CST posted to the NG was in the early 90's I believe.

Regarding your credibility... you misquoted me slightly. and NO im not going to dig that up either. I meant at least that on THE single point of Stacy Brooks you had imho connected dots incorrectly and assummed her motives and those of others accordingly.

Also, I DO NOT wish to screw up my chances in Bobs new essay contest so have pissed on you a bit in an attempt to split the differences.
Your speculations are certainly welcome. Its just that ***accusations in those regards are probably inappropriate.... it is those that cost ones credibility. At least it seems to me that you are accusing when perhaps the issues are much much greyer than that.

The fact is that ANYONE who was in the GO or RTC or other high level staff was defacto cooperating with whatever murky crap was going on.

It is my view however that few had a clue about what was really going on.

Similar to the situation with Org staff that meet us at pickets...

they have no clue, yet they support the criminal cult totally and even carry out its ops... they are told lies about us and op us thats all.... are they completely innocent? of course not. Do they know what the real deal is? No. They have no clue.

With govt ops, and I think the cult is now a govt op, (my opinion based on what I can observe) there is so much deliberate disinformation, smoke and mirrors that the real picture is seldom ever seen, not even by the insiders. ...none of the soldiers have a clue.

I got a good view of that in the nuclear weapons labs. Same tactics, same grey faces...curve balls, lies and deliberately conflicting disinformation to generate confusion.... confusion it seems is a perfect mask. All data becomes suspect.

It will take a while to sort this mess out.... jumping to conclusions either way is a problem... and yes, I plead guilty on that charge too.

Best Regards, Phil Scott

At this time I was in External Communications, in the Sea org, Flag Bureaux.

My post was Telex Receipt and Processing In Charge.

I read all incoming traffic and routed it to the proper files. This included encrypted Guardian's Office Traffic, Cmo Int traffic, as well as outer org traffic and folo.

Cmo Int traffic was sent to the local Cmo CW telex unit. CmoCW would sometimes have us type up their telex responses back to Int, if they were overloaded.

During April 1981, I can verify that David Miscaviage was Action Chief Cmo Int, ie: in charge of missions and missionaires at CMO Int, due to having to process this traffic.

Please also note that I have seen the date floating around the internet of Bill Franks posting as Ed Int as June 1981, which is inaccurate as per above.

Hope this helps, let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Virginia MCClaughry

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