From: idaj007@aol.com (IDA J 007) Date: 03 May 2003 01:33:43 GMT Subject: Re: 1977 Raid Doc-Church Guardian's Office-"Re:Manson, Bruce Davis" Message-ID: <20030502213343.24005.00000390@mb-m27.aol.com> I found this post most interesting. I read Helter Skelter and noted all the "Scientologeze" used by Manson's girls while testifying in court. I read about the two young Scientologists who were murdered long before the Tate murders. I find it interesting that many of the "True Believers" of LRH indoctrination just can't bring themselves to believe all this data that was found during the raid. Many on ARS are pleased that the the files taken by the FBI in l977 are brought to our attention - Thanks to Buglosi for documenting the murders so well and for his observations at that time. Ida Camburn It is a terrible hypocrisy for them to say we hurt people. Anyone who has "suffered" at our hands is still free, well and able to complain. -- L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology XXXXXXX >Subject: 1977 Raid Doc-Church Guardian's Office-"Re:Manson, Bruce Davis" >From: "Feisty" sunny@skytoday.com >Date: 04/30/2003 11:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: > > > >From: Jeff Lee >Subject: Xenu: Guardian's Office - Re: Manson, Bruce Davies >>alt.religion.scientology.squick.squick.squick >Date: 1996/06/05 > > >The following is a document from the Church of Scientology's Guardian's >Office (now called the Office of Special Affairs, or OSA), which was >seized by the FBI in its raids on Scientology headquarters (Fifield >Manor and the Cedars Compled) in 1977. > >This series of postings was spurred as a response to the Scientology >spam. These documents may be found at: > > http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >GS-C Comm >GS-G 22 June 70 >D/G Intell U.S. > >Dear Mary Sue, COMPLIANCE REPORT > > RE: MANSON, BRUCE DAVIS > > There have been numerous new developments on this case >and they are as follows. > > An individual by the name of Steve Grogen appeared on our >lines (PM). I received word that he had made statements that he >was a member of Mansons family and therefore started some intell. >action, which at first consisted of talking to the girls he had >been in contact with. By the time I had finished talking to them >Grogen had been put away in jail for car theft. In spite of >numerous efforts on our part it was impossible to get together >with him. I had the girl he seemed to be most in comm with, journey >out to the valley on four different occasions to talk to him >and in spite of our best efforts he was never made available. He >was either "in court" or the jail was undergoing extensive re- >decoration. Of course we did not want it known that a member of >The Church was trying to see him. At the same time this was going >on we received word that two members of the Manson Family "squeeky >Frome" and "Sandy Goode" were staying at the Viking Motel on 3rd >and Alverado which is in close proximity to the org. We made no >efforts to contactthem. > > On 18 June 80 the following report was received by me. > Report of interview with Raul Morales, Re: Charles Manson. >According to Raul: Raul arrived in prison on McNeil Island, >Washington in 1962 and became a cell mate of Lafayette Raimer >allegedly a trained Scientology auditor (about Level I in >Raul's estimation) and was introduced to Scientology at that >time. Raimer was auditing in prison at that time and in one >10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about 7, all in >Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO >etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 >hours of auditing from Raimer. Processes used were CCH's, >Help processes (Who have you helped-Who have you not helped) and >other Dichotomy processes (Rauls terms, such as What can you >confront, what would you rather not confront), Havingness (Such >as "What can you have?" "Look around and find something you can >have. Look around and find something you're not in." Rainer kept recor >records of his auditing. Manson got super-energetic & flipped >out when he'd been audited and would, for a time, talk about >nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his >company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away >from his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run >or something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- >nement to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials >got suspicious of the groups strange activities and broke up the >group. Subsequently, Raul was released from the prison in 1965. >Raimer's wife was in training here at the L.A. Org in 1965-66; she >had disconnected from Raimer. Raul just found out yesterday that >another friend, Marvin White, later sent Manson books (after the >Scientology group was broken up) on hypnotism and black magic, [....]