||||| From: martinottmann@yahoo.com (Martin Ottmann) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Russian OSA letter from 1997 Date: 26 Jan 2003 12:24:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 65 Message-ID: <71d327bb.0301261224.7bf43642@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.198.0.96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1043612646 29177 127.0.0.1 (26 Jan 2003 20:24:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2003 20:24:06 GMT Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!quark.scn.rain.com!chilly.oregonvos.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1590362 Dear Mr. Uzzell, As stated on the phone, I would like to give you some information which should not wait until a meeting can be held. These are bits of information and questions which would require you to contact other sources for more specific data. It is however, if I understood Ms. Sue Taylor correctly, the kind of information which you wish to get. Let me come straight to the point(s). 1. A former security advisor to Yeltsin two days ago emphatically stated that the law will be passed, and that the FSB has already begun preparations to implement the law. 2. Moscow Mayor Luzhkov is said to have issued an order instituting an interconfessional council in Moscow with himself as chairman to which all registered religions will be invited. 3. Roman Catholic Archbishop Schoenborn met with Patriarch Alexej II at the end of August. The Austrian media reported that Alexej II had indicated to Schoenborn that the law proposal is aimed against the invasion of "totalitarian" sects and pseudo-religious groups, terms which have no judicial definition. And also that Russia would not want to have "North American norms" of freedom of conscience enforced on itself. 4a. As is known already, the U.S. Congress threatened with the cutting of 200 million dollars in aid to Russia should the law be passed and implemented. b. The development of the European Union would put Europe into the first place of an economic power position with the United States and Japan losing their first position. Within Europe, it is Germany which is the leading country. c. The relations between America and West Germany were recently characterized by an American official as almost bordering on a cold war. d. Germany, though it does have a constitution which guarantees religious freedom practially has two state churches: Protestants and Catholics. So, the German government is well accustomed to what that means. (The ruling party in Germany are the Christian (underlined) Democracts. [sic]) e. Germany's President Herzog recently visited Moscow to enhance economic cooperation between Germany and Russia. Could it be that Herzog offered the Russian Federation that Germany will supplement in financial aid whatever Russia stands to lose from the U.S. if the law does get passed? This is a purely hypothetical question at this point, nonetheless one which could have some merit to it, especially as the term "totalitarian sects" was brought into use in Russia following an official communication of November 1995 by the German embassy in Moscow to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Please contact me (Tel: 961-3416) if you have any question on these points; otherwise we can leave it until a meeting takes place. Yours sincerely, Diethelm Alisch Vice-President Hubbard Humanitarian Center ||||| From: Tilman Hausherr Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Russian OSA letter from 1997 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:29:25 +0100 Organization: Xenu's Ranch Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <71d327bb.0301261224.7bf43642@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1043620263 19109 217.230.203.180 (26 Jan 2003 22:31:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1590408 >Dear Mr. Uzzell, Probably Lawrence Uzzell of the Keston Institute. Originally, the Keston Institute was a defender of persecuted religions in communism. After communism, the Keston Institute became a cult lobbying organisation. -- Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment tilman@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails. Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html