||||| From: FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: New Ottmann documents going up at tr-l.org with corrections Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:16:51 GMT Organization: The Skeptic Tank Reply-To: FRice@SkepticTank.ORG X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.59.239.58 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.59.239.58 Message-ID: <3e32f0b4@news2.lightlink.com> X-Trace: 25 Jan 2003 15:16:52 -0500, 66.59.239.58 X-Original-Trace: 25 Jan 2003 15:16:52 -0500, 66.59.239.58 Lines: 90 Path: news2.lightlink.com Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1590114 The latest series of Ottmann documents are going up at http://www.tr-l.org and I've corrected the "return to main index" link that was pointing to the wrong domain name at the end of each embarrassing, informative web page. At the bottom of the main web page there's a link to download the entire web site as a ZIP file and that ZIP will -- very shortly; one minute or so from now -- contain the entire corrected and updated series of documents. The hypertext linkage of words, phrases, and proper nouns through out all the pages is an effort that will continue onward into the future. As Mr. Martin Ottmann Esquire divulges more information, they will be appended to the growing index (which is about 160 so far.) I've been going through these things decoding them and savoring the so-called "suppressive declares." Much of this material is from, to, or copied to Scientology's "Guardian Office / Office of Special Affairs." Indeed, I see a new addition from the convicted crime boss Mary Sue Hubbard herself. Good show since she was one of the 11 fall guys who took the rap for Hubbard and the other unindicted co-conspirators while Hubbard went on the lam from the police. These documents "spackle" in cracks between the already known history since they often contain the dates they were written. I would hope that Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies are paying some attention to these since I consider it unlikely they're all already in government databases (1977 raids: punch card technology.) Some here on a.r.s may recall the objectifying software I mentioned I contracted on and this is the stuff that adds links and adds weight to probability estimates of collusion among the proper nouns. (A crook can't claim not to know someone else suspected of assisting the crook in the commiting of a crime if both individual's names can be found on a document in Federal archives. The probability the two suspects knew each other increases given a document that names them both and when the document is written by one suspect and specifically names the other suspect, the probability increases significantly. The dates on such documents also places suspects named in the documents at locations.) The stuff was mundane day-to-day stuff during the dates the Snow White et al. felony acts were being commited and that's just the kind of stuff that goes into databases today. These Ottmann documents were likely seized by Federal agents during the 1977 raids but they wouldn't have been entered into the kind of systems law enforcement has today -- unless someone's been converting punch card technology era records to current technology records. I note that the personal names in this series is valuable stuff indeed. A list of names of individuals who have been and/or currently are responsible for safeguarding the so-called "red box data" would be of considerable value so maybe activists can put puzzle pieces together and a.r.s could celebrate its first series of felony indictments assists. }:-} (Dream on?) The "not so well hidden" "secret" initials of individuals could be deciphered by ex-followers of the criminal cult as well so that's a good reason for these documents to be reviewed by ex-followers. I'm curious whether the criminal enterprise considers these GO/OSA/Dep20 et al. documents to some how be outside of the Public Domain -- more so since I see on the crime syndicate's web site that they flatly disavow any further connection to their own "Guardian Office / Office of Special Affairs" (which, I pointed out previously, makes me wonder why Rinder still has a job.) These things show basic human rights violations -- ideologies of anti-human rights, anti-freedom of thought, and anti- freedom of speech -- so I imagine they're extremely embarrassing to the criminal enterprise since it proves undeniably that Scientology is _not_ anything it's always claiming to be. If they claim copyright protection from free and open dissemination, that would be "confirming their own reality" in abject opposition to their public relations lies to the contrary. The crime syndicate is encouraged to send notices claiming copyright to any of these Martin Ottmann documents so provided on tr-l and I will most certainly mark them as inaccessable -- not to mention confirmed as having been claimed. E-mail and paper mail, please, so long as you use a real e-mail address (my spam filters kill hotmail, bigfoot, yahoo et al.) Also I'd like to thank Mr. Martin Ottmann Esquire for his work and efforts. As a Judge pointed out in one case, Scientology deliberately makes its structure and corporate shell game of fake fronts complex and difficult for law enforcement and intelligence agencies to unravel but it's just such documents as Mr. Ottman is providing that acts as the WD-40 that opens up those knots and makes putting the pieces together easier -- for that always-hoped-for next series of raids here in the United States, knock wood (and dream on, alas.) -- George W. Bush threatens to kill us all -- for oil http://www.gwbush.com/ http://www.bushwatch.net/ Soon to come: http://www.notserver.com/ ||||| Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: idaj007@aol.com (IDA J 007) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 26 Jan 2003 00:32:46 GMT References: <3e32f0b4@news2.lightlink.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New Ottmann documents going up at tr-l.org with corrections Message-ID: <20030125193246.04893.00000185@mb-cs.aol.com> Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!quark.scn.rain.com!chilly.oregonvos.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1590185 RE : Martin Ottmann documents. Thank you for tr-l.org . I will check them often to see if Martin happens to find some of the orders given by Mary Sue to see that ops were done on me. There were several orders given for ops on my friend Henrietta Crampton and others who were early on critics of destructive cults. Evidently Mary Sue was successful as her orders reached Mike McGlaughry who was in Northern Calif. at that time. He even grinned as he sat for video and bragged about trying to break up my marriage. He later called to apologize but it was twenty years to late. His efforts failed tho many of the ops did upset my husband and his employer. At the same time it educated them early on as to the aims of this organization with religous license. The news of the picket at my husbands place of business went all through the system. So not only the thirty people who worked in Calif. facility were advised, the other 450 employees learned the "what fors" at the same time. Two employees were taking "Dianetic" courses and immediately dropped them. I often wondered how many others throughout the system who may have been duped if not for that picket. Lucky break for them that the two young men waved picket signs at my husbands work .The manager took pictures, and called my husband to take the day off. Of course like the harassing phone call to Jeff's father, this was all done in an effort to have my husband silence me. Ida J. Camburn "Perhaps at some distant date only the unaberrrated person will be granted civil rights before law. Perhaps the goal will be reached at some future time when only the unaberrated person can attain to and benefit from citizenship." -- L. Ron Hubbard in _Dianetics: The Modern Science [sic] of Mental Health_ [sic]