http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-10-05/news/feature.html

Gerry Armstrong http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

From: Tilman Hausherr <tilman-usenet@snafu.de>
Subject: Re: San Francisco Weekly, "Sign of the Cult-Buster," October 5, 2005
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:28:12 +0200
Organization: Old Europe
Message-ID: <1n68k1db4vmde12msdqqam7s1kap9aib1g@4ax.com>

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:36:37 GMT, Gerry Armstrong <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:

>http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-10-05/news/feature.html

Amazing article. Now I also understand the reason of the "Friends of San Anselmo": Ford Greene was representing the recent scientology sex abuse victim, and suing exactly the org that claims of having "nothing to do" with that website.

Tilman

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<p><hr><p> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:22:20 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Organization: ARSCC Intel Div
Subject: Ford Greene, Jeff Quiros, and me
Message-ID: <4344108c@news2.lightlink.com>

Hey, I warned him. But he didn't listen.

http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-10-05/news/feature.html

Dear Editor,

Thank you for the extensive article on cult-buster Ford Greene. I was made aware of the nasty website put up by the mysterious 'Friends of San Anselmo' last year during a visit to Stinson Beach. It looks remarkably similar to the Religious Freedom Watch website, an admittedly Scientology linked site which features pages on their perceived enemies under the label 'religious extremists.' Apparently, Ford is so reviled, he gets a whole website, rather than a couple of pages.

It is likely that the recent activity against Ford is linked to his victory for the woman who was sexually abused by a high level Scientologist in Mountain View. While Ford may be barred from talking about the case, the woman's husband is not, and recently gave an interview to Arnie Lerma, a prominent ex-Scientologist turned critic. This detailed account of the sexual abuse of a then-sixteen-year-old girl, and the attempt of Scientology officials to hush it up, is disgusting yet revealing. http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/tommygorman.htm

Having read Mr. Gorman's account, I find it rather hypocritical of Scientology spokesman Jeff Quiros to criticize Ford Greene so vociferously.

According to Tom Gorman, Mr. Quiros stalked his daughter, tried to bargain for his silence, and accused Mrs. Gorman of being promiscuous, calling her a whore and a slut. Mr. Quiros blamed a 16 year old rape victim for what happened to her at the hands of rapist and Scientologist Gabriel Williams.

It should come as no surprise that Mr. Quiros would choose to protect his fellow Scientologist over a teenaged staff member. Gabriel Williams was good at bringing in money for Scientology, and L. Ron Hubbard said,

"In short a staff member can get away with murder so long as his statistic is up and can't sneeze without a chop if it's down. ... When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report."

--L. Ron Hubbard HCOPL 1 September 1965, "Ethics Protection":

Jeff Quiros is quoted in your article as saying, "In my estimation the guy is a nut case," he says. "I don't think condoning or advocating kidnapping against people trying to practice what they believe is something that anybody ought to admire."

Is protecting a rapist because he is making money for your "church" admirable? By doing so, Quiros was clearly practicing his belief, as he was when he tried to discredit the young rape victim by inferring promiscuity. And, he's practicing it when he attacks Mr. Greene's reputation by calling him a nutcase and other childish names.

Your article states that Quiros referred to Greene as a "mosquito," a "pig," and a "pathetic individual."

Let's see...Ford took on the case of a young girl who was victimized by members of the church she believed in and trusted, and helped her get justice. She was victimized, not only by rapist Gabriel Williams, but also Jeff Quiros, who should have helped her instead of supporting her abuser.

And Quiros has the gall to call Ford Greene pathetic?

Look in the mirror, Jeff. Is that a beam jutting out of your eye socket?
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenubarb@netscape.net

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky Peter Alexander

<p><hr><p> From: Tilman Hausherr <tilman-usenet@snafu.de>
Subject: Re: Ford Greene, Jeff Quiros, and me
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:43:53 +0200
Organization: Old Europe
Message-ID: <j4b8k1h3mvbls37ftbmdl49mh4of8abvud@4ax.com>

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:01:50 -0700, "Susan" <enlightened10056@comcast.net> wrote:

>He is a child molester/predator and is living with kids? Is he on the web
>site for offenders so that the neighbors know this?

Yes, he has a new "individual" homepage: http://meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Williams&firstName=Gabriel&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH

His full name is Gabriel Scott Williams. I wouldn't be surprised if he uses the name "Scott Williams" now.

-- Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment http://www.xenu.de

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<p><hr><p> From: chuckbeatty77@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford Greene, Jeff Quiros, and me
Date: 6 Oct 2005 13:03:31 -0700
Message-ID: <1128629011.024741.75440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

barb wrote: > Hey, I warned him. But he didn't listen.
>
> http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-10-05/news/feature.html
>
> Dear Editor,
>
> Thank you for the extensive article on cult-buster Ford Greene. I was
> made aware of the nasty website put up by the mysterious 'Friends of San
> Anselmo' last year during a visit to Stinson Beach. It looks remarkably
> similar to the Religious Freedom Watch website, an admittedly
> Scientology linked site which features pages on their perceived enemies
> under the label 'religious extremists.' Apparently, Ford is so reviled,
> he gets a whole website, rather than a couple of pages.
>
> It is likely that the recent activity against Ford is linked to his
> victory for the woman who was sexually abused by a high level
> Scientologist in Mountain View.
> While Ford may be barred from talking about the case, the woman's
> husband is not, and recently gave an interview to Arnie Lerma, a
> prominent ex-Scientologist turned critic. This detailed account of the
> sexual abuse of a then-sixteen-year-old girl, and the attempt of
> Scientology officials to hush it up, is disgusting yet revealing.
> http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/tommygorman.htm
>
> Having read Mr. Gorman's account, I find it rather hypocritical of
> Scientology spokesman Jeff Quiros to criticize Ford Greene so vociferously.
>
> According to Tom Gorman, Mr. Quiros stalked his daughter, tried to
> bargain for his silence, and accused Mrs. Gorman of being promiscuous,
> calling her a whore and a slut. Mr. Quiros blamed a 16 year old rape
> victim for what happened to her at the hands of rapist and Scientologist
> Gabriel Williams.
>
> It should come as no surprise that Mr. Quiros would choose to protect
> his fellow Scientologist over a teenaged staff member. Gabriel Williams
> was good at bringing in money for Scientology, and L. Ron Hubbard said,
>
> "In short a staff member can get away with murder so long as his
> statistic is up and can't sneeze without a chop if it's down. ... When
> people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you
> investigate is the person who turned in the report."
>
> --L. Ron Hubbard
> HCOPL 1 September 1965, "Ethics Protection":
>
> Jeff Quiros is quoted in your article as saying, "In my estimation the
> guy is a nut case," he says. "I don't think condoning or advocating
> kidnapping against people trying to practice what they believe is
> something that anybody ought to admire."
>
> Is protecting a rapist because he is making money for your "church"
> admirable? By doing so, Quiros was clearly practicing his belief, as he
> was when he tried to discredit the young rape victim by inferring
> promiscuity. And, he's practicing it when he attacks Mr. Greene's
> reputation by calling him a nutcase and other childish names.
>
> Your article states that Quiros referred to Greene as a "mosquito," a
> "pig," and a "pathetic individual."
>
> Let's see...Ford took on the case of a young girl who was victimized by
> members of the church she believed in and trusted, and helped her get
> justice. She was victimized, not only by rapist Gabriel Williams, but
> also Jeff Quiros, who should have helped her instead of supporting her
> abuser.
>
> And Quiros has the gall to call Ford Greene pathetic?
>
> Look in the mirror, Jeff. Is that a beam jutting out of your eye socket?
>
> --
> --barb
> Chaplain,ARSCC
> xenubarb@netscape.net
>
> "Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
> form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
> This assistance might involve holding you against your
> will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
> friends and family, and denying you access to
> appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
> for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
> the release form absolves your caretakers of all
> responsibility for your suffering and death.
>
> Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
>
> --Dr. Dave Touretzky
> Peter Alexander

I sent my two cents to the SF Weekly also. Ron Russell does excellent journalism. The SF Weekly is a sister publication to the LA New Times, that did the excellent article on Tory. The guy who did Tory's great article is Tony Ortega. I also thanked Tony Ortega, and Tony had a lot of praise ofr Ron Russell's journalism skills too.

I think it is important to remember the good journalists. So far the best I've seen get right into the nitty gritty details, are Tony Ortega and Ron Russell.

They both do excellent journalism and get the gritty details.

I wrote this to SF Weekly editor, thanking them:

Dear Editor,

Excellent journalism on Ford Greene. Indeed Ford has done good things for ex-cult people, and I can confirm Ford inspires some who've been clobbered in various ways by cults. In the late summer of 2004, I publicly defected after being a 27 year liftetime staffer bureaucrat in the Scientology movement. I began posting my Scientology lifetime staffer experiences on the internet. About a month and a half after going public, I got a surprise phone call from Scientology church Lead Attorney Elliot Abelson. Former staffers and critics of official Scientology generally characterize these types of conversations as "gag" or "silencing" tactics. When my phone conversation with Abelson came around to me saying I better check with some lawyers, Elliot somewhat anxiously blurted out one attorney I should stay away from: Ford Greene. And Elliot had a few more disparaging things to say about Ford Greene. Well, you can guess who I tried to contact right after getting off the phone with Scientology church attorney Abelson! Ford does good in my book. Thanks SF Weekly! Great journalism!

Chuck Beatty ex-lifetime staffer bureaucrat of the Scientology movement (1975-2003)

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