By Weinberg:

Q Now, Mr. Franks, let's go over a few things at the first. When you say you were the top official or one of the top officials in the Church of Scientology in 1981 -- I think you said -- you didn't order someone to be killed in the Church, did you?

A No.

Q No. And you don't know anyone in the experience that you had for 13 and a half years in the Church of Scientology -- you don't know any staff member or public that was ordered by someone like you in a position of authority to be killed. Do you?

A Truthfully? Yes, I do.

Q All right. Who is that?

A Well, Mo Budlong and Jane Kember. I don't remember who the person was, but it was some fellow in England.

Q And this was circa when?

A This goes back to the '70s.

Q And you were the one that ordered it?

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