Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment

Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment Scientology

Fred Durks wrote:

>>From my thread I started at
> http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=14658
>
> Hopefully some people on ARS can offer some help. If you have any
> advice or suggestions it would be much appreciated- Thanks in
> advance!!
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Russell Andrews, a Private Investigator from Triwest Investigative
> Services, called one of my co-workers asking questions about me. He
> also said I had a warrant out for my arrest for passing a bad check,
> which is not true.
>
> I immediately had my lawyer call him to tell him not to harass anybody
> from my company or myself.
>
> Well, I did a good job of hiding for a few, but I guess they found me.
>
> This is what I found out about Russel Andrews
> http://www.fza.org/index.php?p=464
> 1-323-254-5151
>
> Anybody know anything else?
>
> Stop Scientology!
> http://www.stopscientology.com
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Triwest Investigative Services
> 1441 Huntington Drive
> So. Pasadena, CA 91030 United States
> Office: (323)254-5151
> License Number: PI 18780
> Insured?: Yes
>
> Triwest specializes in litigation support, witness location and
> interviews, surveillance, backgrounds, corporate due diligence, etc. We
> maintain an extensive public records library and database accounts to
> assist in complex assignments.
>
> EMAIL TRIWEST INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES
> http://www.infoguys.com/pi_mail.cfm?id=157
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I just emailed TRIWEST-
>
> Your employee, Russell Andrews (who is working on an assignment by the
> Church of Scientology because of my website www.stopscientology.com ),
> called a co-worker of mine today saying false things about me. Included
> in his claims to a complete stranger- he said I had an outstanding
> warrant in Arizona, he claimed that I work for a company that does
> illegal downloads and he also said I do porn websites on the Internet.
> Regardless if these accusations are true or not, this is blatant
> harassment.
> My lawyer, co-worker and I are drawing up a complaint that will be
> filed with local authorities and the state licence review board. I will
> not tolerate scientology in their attempt to harass any family, friends
> or co-workers of mine.
>
> ------------------
> I work for a Internet company that does screensaver downloads - %100
> legal and no porn. I have never had a warrant. Lies.....
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Posted: 22 Sep 2005 19:20 Post subject: [Note] Reply with quote
>
> Just an update, and I can't really speak too much about what is going
> on currently-
>
> My lawyer is pissed. This PI was a real asshole to him when they spoke.
> He's afraid that they are not going to stop with harassing co-workers
> of mine and might move onto clients. He wants to put an end to this
> right now.
>
> My lawyer has filed formal complaints with the 4 main PI burroughs in
> California notifying them of this PI with a license in California
> harassing people and working on cases in Arizona. He has also done the
> same in Arizona. Authorities have also been notified too. He's
> currently looking into civil action for monetary damages on this PI.
>
> We'll see what happens next :)
>
Oh, heck, they know who I am too. Here's my adwice to you:

Security Precautions

1. Let your friends and family know that they might be contacted by a Scientology PI seeking information on you. They may pose as police officers or potential employers. Establish a safety perimeter by warning people close to you not to give out any information, no matter what the pretense.

2. Password protect all your accounts, including utilities. Scientology representatives will try to acquire personal information, including bank and phone records. If possible, arrange to be notified when a request for information comes through.

3. Notify your neighbors to be on the lookout for strange vehicles in your neighborhood. Scientology operatives will often 'stake out' a target, as well as canvass the neighborhood asking questions about you.

4. Never leave anything in your vehicle! Don't leave mail lying about in your car where addresses are visible. Make sure your vehicle registration isn't visible from the outside.

5. Cross-cut shredder. Buy it, use it! Shred everything that might have information Scientology can use. There have been numerous reports of people having their trash gone through or even stolen. Dump kitty litter on top of the shredded documents to make it more attractive.

6. Home and phone security. Practice basic security. Keep your doors locked and your pets inside when you're not home. Make sure your kids know not to give out any information to callers. Again, callers may pose as police or other officials. Make sure everyone is aware of that.

7. Be alert for anything "strange." Keep a log of any and all unusual occurances, time and date. It is important to maintain a timeline of these. If possible, write down the license plate of any mysterious cars following you or parked in your neighborhood.

You can expect to be followed. False police reports may be filed against you. Your neighborhood may be fliered with libellous accusations against you. Get copies! Most importantly, be sure to publicize any and all threats, stalkers, information seekers, or intimidation. Communication, in cases like this, is of utmost importance. This type of intimidation only works if people keep silent about it. When people realize that they're not the only ones targetted, it becomes less intimidating.

--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenubarb@netscape.net

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky Peter Alexander

<hr> From: idaj007@aol.com
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: 22 Sep 2005 22:08:11 -0700
Message-ID: <1127452091.924771.198070@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

One more bit of advice -Call your telephone company and give them a password so that the cult cannot obtain a copy of your bill. They tried this with me and fortunately Jeff had warned me a few days prior. When the lady who was running for office against the late Sonny Bono someone tried to obtain her phone bill. She was pleased that I had warned her a few days prior and she also had a pass word. When they get a copy of your phone bill they can harass the friends that you call and also try to get more information on you . We know they are rotten to the core and will use any method possible, illegal or otherwise to harass an SP. I have great neighbors who have copied the license numbers of the cars driving by, parking around the corner to check on my guests. At one time they sent the honchos from the Golden Era to do the watches. So another bit of good advice is to advise your neighbors as to who these people are--have packets ready to hand out to them so they can learn the truth

Ida Camburn

"Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thoughts of giving government the power to control men's minds." Thurgood Marshall

<hr> From: "banchukita" <banchukita@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: 23 Sep 2005 05:31:30 -0700
Message-ID: <1127478690.074737.138800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Okay. More advice.

The FACTNet story from 1994 mentioned by Analytical Publications and webbed at whyaretheydead relates that Andrews' business card that had a Portland, Oregon address, although the incident recalled took place in Colorado.

My dad was a PI, and he was licensed in 7 states. Wonder how many this guy is licensed in?

Fred, another bit of advice, if you have room for it: change your patterns of behavior. If you have an established routine, like if you leave the house and come home at certain times, mix it up. Drive a different route to work, have friends stop by your house at times you're not there.

Planting drugs (Jesse Prince, etc.) can happen, but brush up on what happened to others.

For instance, Arnie is convinced the cult put LSD in his toothpaste. Dennis Erlich related some kind of setup, when they raided his house.

I've read for myself in the court files, and talked with Gabe Cazares, who was mayor of CW when Scn, inc. moved in, about how they tried to set him up, ruining his political career.

No doubt you know what happened to Paulette Cooper.

And the Miss Bloodybutt/Tom Klemesrud story is still the wierdest thing I've ever heard in my life.

So, don't get paranoid, but just be aware. If your gut tells you there's something wierd, even if you think you're just being paranoid, post it. Let us all know.

Another suggestion I would have is to make an appointment with your local editor, or just call a news journalist who you respect, and ask for ten minutes of their time. Tell them what you can, and tell them you'd like someone in the press to be aware of what's going on. Keep them informed. Which brings the next bit of advice: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. I didn't mean to shout, but this is important. Don't think you'll remember later. Write it down, keep a camera handy, etc.

One thing you have, that even Dennis and Arnie and Bob Penny didn't have ten years ago when they were raided in their homes, is an audience of thousands, who are by now well-versed in the rather predictable antics of Scn, inc. and their hired thugs.

I think Scn, inc. relies on its shady reputation more than anything, when it comes to scaring people these days.

Just remember, you're not alone!

-maggie, human being

<hr> From: "Rev. Norle Enturbulata" <notearthlight2k@invalid.hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:44:27 +0100
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"banchukita" <banchukita@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1127478690.074737.138800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Okay. More advice.
>
> The FACTNet story from 1994 mentioned by Analytical Publications and
> webbed at whyaretheydead relates that Andrews' business card that had a
> Portland, Oregon address, although the incident recalled took place in
> Colorado.
>
> My dad was a PI, and he was licensed in 7 states. Wonder how many this
> guy is licensed in?
>
> Fred, another bit of advice, if you have room for it: change your
> patterns of behavior. If you have an established routine, like if you
> leave the house and come home at certain times, mix it up. Drive a
> different route to work, have friends stop by your house at times
> you're not there.
>
> Planting drugs (Jesse Prince, etc.) can happen, but brush up on what
> happened to others.
>
> For instance, Arnie is convinced the cult put LSD in his toothpaste.
> Dennis Erlich related some kind of setup, when they raided his house.
>
> I've read for myself in the court files, and talked with Gabe Cazares,
> who was mayor of CW when Scn, inc. moved in, about how they tried to
> set him up, ruining his political career.
>
> No doubt you know what happened to Paulette Cooper.
>
> And the Miss Bloodybutt/Tom Klemesrud story is still the wierdest thing
> I've ever heard in my life.
>
> So, don't get paranoid, but just be aware. If your gut tells you
> there's something wierd, even if you think you're just being paranoid,
> post it. Let us all know.
>
> Another suggestion I would have is to make an appointment with your
> local editor, or just call a news journalist who you respect, and ask
> for ten minutes of their time. Tell them what you can, and tell them
> you'd like someone in the press to be aware of what's going on. Keep
> them informed.
> Which brings the next bit of advice: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. I didn't mean
> to shout, but this is important. Don't think you'll remember later.
> Write it down, keep a camera handy, etc.
>
> One thing you have, that even Dennis and Arnie and Bob Penny didn't
> have ten years ago when they were raided in their homes, is an audience
> of thousands, who are by now well-versed in the rather predictable
> antics of Scn, inc. and their hired thugs.
>
> I think Scn, inc. relies on its shady reputation more than anything,
> when it comes to scaring people these days.
>
> Just remember, you're not alone!
>
>
> -maggie, human being

I concur! Those of us who've been subjected to Scientology harassment have typically found it difficult to convince even closest family members of the truth of it. I was fortunate in that the American Psychiatry Assn decided one year to have a meeting in the town where my parents live, and I advised them to drive by the Marriott where the meeting was and wait. Well, they didn't do what I advised but on the way to the nearby market they did see a screaming clam with a picket sign in hand attempting to go Tone 40 on some poor fellow who must have attended the APA meeting. Thanks to some quick followup on my part and the Internet they found web sites via http://www.Xenu.net involving harassment of ex-members.

When talking to my Dad some time later I asked him if anything had happened and he began with the line all critics are familiar with, "I knew about Scientology from what you told me but I didn't really think it was as dangerous as you said it was until..."

Such episodes of terroristic activity on the cult's part are more than indicative of the core belief process in Scientology. Scientologists continue worldwide to be the best displays of this fact.

Information is our best defense, and it needs to be as many places as possible. The newspaper is a start, the Internet is another as you know. Changing daily schedules helps make the PIs work harder of course, and the kitty litter in the trash, shredder, passwords (all-change including online stuff) the whole thing. Per your computer you've probably got all the ad-aware/spybot/ms anti-spyware onboard, if not get it! I don't know what the cult is doing with cookies etc but its a good idea to make sure.

Personally I'd have probably had a much happier life if I'd never heard of Scientology. I can honestly say that knowing what I do at this point I prefer to KNOW. Good luck and God bless.

http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
http://PerkinsTragedy.org - http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism * * " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." * -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88" * * "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist...." * L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967 * * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"

<hr> From: "Android Cat" <androidcat98@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:36:34 -0400
Organization: Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo
Message-ID: <5abda$4333cccd$cf706f1e$1153@PRIMUS.CA>

Fred Durks wrote: >> From my thread I started at
> http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=14658
>
> Triwest Investigative Services
> 1441 Huntington Drive
> So. Pasadena, CA 91030 United States
> Office: (323)254-5151
> License Number: PI 18780
> Insured?: Yes

His corporate address of record is:
Corporation
TRIWEST INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES, INC.
Number: C1774931 Date Filed: 12/26/1995 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Address
1000 FREMONT
206
SOUTH PASADENA, CA 91030

Agent for Service of Process
RUSSELL L ANDREWS
1000 FREMONT
206
SOUTH PASADENA, CA 91030

http://maps.google.ca/maps?spn=0.026330,0.040199&saddr=1441+Huntington+Dr,+South+Pasadena,+CA+91030,+USA&daddr=1000+Fremont+Ave,+South+Pasadena,+CA+91030,+USA&hl=en

I don't think there's anyone higher up his company food chain to talk to.

-- Ron of that ilk.

<hr> From: "Fred Durks" <freddurks@stopscientology.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: 23 Sep 2005 16:59:02 -0700
Message-ID: <1127519942.495725.125190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

UPDATE:

DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS IN CALIFORNIA JUST CALLED ME

THEY AGREED TO PURSUE OUR CLAIM AGAINST PI RUSSELL ANDREWS because he told my work I have a warrant out for my arrest.

We'll see what happens next :)

Thanks for all the comments and advice here everyone!!

<hr> From: "Rev. Norle Enturbulata" <notearthlight2k@invalid.hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:50:50 +0100
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"Fred Durks" <freddurks@stopscientology.com> wrote in message news:1127560805.448911.248610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Barb- these internet or court battles are like chess. It's a game
> with strategy, and certain moves are made for a reason. I've been in
> plenty so I know. You work to set your opponent up for a huge fall.
> I keep on wondering how a PI for the Church of Scientology with years
> of experience could F--- up so bad. It's almost like they wanted me to
> run with his mistake. I'm wondering what their angle is if that is the
> case. Are they really that dumb or am I the one making mistakes here?
> What would they have to gain by him getting his PI license revoked or
> is that what I'm supposed to think? My brain hurts.......

As with any other terroristic activity, one of the aims is to cause the target to become overly concerned or too distracted with a detail like this.

On some levels the Scientology cult is at times quite incompetent. On others it's vicious and practiced. I don't know that the PIs that have worked for the Scientology cult are that competent; the lawyers do tend to be on the other end of the spectrum, and are quite adept at vicious manipulation of the Law.

If the cult's lawyers were running the show I'm sure Scientology would be far more litigious than it is, but it wouldn't be too long before judges woke up to the operation. On the other hand I would put forth that Scientology's PIs are just a step above Barbara Schwarz in terms of their legal maneuvering skills. At best Scientology's interfaces with the Real World are spotty, nasty and turbulent, as well as troublesome to all concerned. The Real World shows all the scars from these interfaces, thanks to freedom of communication. Inside the Scientology cult the scars are attemptedly-painted with dogmatic fervor, and while such efforts are efficient in such a controlled environment, they are not perfect.

Metaphoric Example: Tory.

Before she woke up and saw the bad paint job inside Scientology, she didn't even see the paint, and failed to see that the cult's interfacing with the Real World was anything but continually victorious. After Tory woke up from the psychic nightmare and left the Scientology cult, she started talking about it - and getting lots of requests from everywhere for the truth about the inside of this vicious cult.

Scientology has been playing the stealth game for years, and the more members wake up, come out and talk, the faster this viper will be eliminated from the playground of life. Foot-bullet ops have been abounding, resulting in even more Bad Stuff about Scientology coming forth.

Hold fast and remember that in everything the Scientology cult does to you, IT'S JUST SCIENTOLOGY and not really anything else in the world that's at work. All of it happens for only one reason: The cult wants noone to know what a scam it is, and moves to quash anyone who talks about it, whether ex-member or never-been-member. There is no fault on your own part or anyone else you care for that is part of it. It's only Scientology.

Hold fast. Stay visible.

--
http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
http://PerkinsTragedy.org - http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org

Rev. Norle Enturbulata "Church" of Cartoonism * * " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." * -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88" * * "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist...." * L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967 * * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"

<hr> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:39:49 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Organization: ARSCC Intel Div
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
In-Reply-To: <43353d8e$1@news2.lightlink.com> Message-ID: <43356555$1@news2.lightlink.com>

Rev. Norle Enturbulata wrote:

> "Fred Durks" <freddurks@stopscientology.com> wrote in message
> news:1127560805.448911.248610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Barb- these internet or court battles are like chess. It's a game
>>with strategy, and certain moves are made for a reason. I've been in
>>plenty so I know. You work to set your opponent up for a huge fall.
>>I keep on wondering how a PI for the Church of Scientology with years
>>of experience could F--- up so bad. It's almost like they wanted me to
>>run with his mistake. I'm wondering what their angle is if that is the
>>case. Are they really that dumb or am I the one making mistakes here?
>>What would they have to gain by him getting his PI license revoked or
>>is that what I'm supposed to think? My brain hurts.......
>
>
> As with any other terroristic activity, one of the aims is to cause the
> target to become overly concerned or too distracted with a detail like this.
>
> On some levels the Scientology cult is at times quite incompetent. On
> others it's vicious and practiced. I don't know that the PIs that have
> worked for the Scientology cult are that competent; the lawyers do tend to
> be on the other end of the spectrum, and are quite adept at vicious
> manipulation of the Law.
>
> If the cult's lawyers were running the show I'm sure Scientology would be
> far more litigious than it is, but it wouldn't be too long before judges
> woke up to the operation. On the other hand I would put forth that
> Scientology's PIs are just a step above Barbara Schwarz in terms of their
> legal maneuvering skills. At best Scientology's interfaces with the Real
> World are spotty, nasty and turbulent, as well as troublesome to all
> concerned. The Real World shows all the scars from these interfaces, thanks
> to freedom of communication. Inside the Scientology cult the scars are
> attemptedly-painted with dogmatic fervor, and while such efforts are
> efficient in such a controlled environment, they are not perfect.
>
> Metaphoric Example: Tory.
>
> Before she woke up and saw the bad paint job inside Scientology, she didn't
> even see the paint, and failed to see that the cult's interfacing with the
> Real World was anything but continually victorious. After Tory woke up from
> the psychic nightmare and left the Scientology cult, she started talking
> about it - and getting lots of requests from everywhere for the truth about
> the inside of this vicious cult.
>
> Scientology has been playing the stealth game for years, and the more
> members wake up, come out and talk, the faster this viper will be eliminated
> from the playground of life. Foot-bullet ops have been abounding, resulting
> in even more Bad Stuff about Scientology coming forth.
>
> Hold fast and remember that in everything the Scientology cult does to you,
> IT'S JUST SCIENTOLOGY and not really anything else in the world that's at
> work. All of it happens for only one reason: The cult wants noone to know
> what a scam it is, and moves to quash anyone who talks about it, whether
> ex-member or never-been-member. There is no fault on your own part or
> anyone else you care for that is part of it. It's only Scientology.
>
> Hold fast. Stay visible.
>
Stay visible is good advice. What I find truly odd is the Scientology perspective on how the wog world works. Ron, and hence his followers, had a skewed view of humanity, which was as accurate as his notions on drug rehab. It is a terribly simplistic view wherein people are only motivated by organization, crime or money. They simply do not understand altruism. Scientologists persist in their belief that ARS is run by someone or something which pays us to picket, write, and otherwise expose their nasty little cult. Commonly heard questions from cult members are, "Who's paying you?" and, "What are your crimes?" To a deeply indoctrinated Scientologist, the wog world is one big Misunderstood.

That's an advantage to hiring wog PIs. They don't think like Ron. However, there are still a million ways to screw up if you're not careful.

-- --barb Chaplain,ARSCC xenubarb@netscape.net

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky Peter Alexander

<hr> From: "banchukita" <banchukita@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: 24 Sep 2005 06:07:17 -0700
Message-ID: <1127567237.381008.251370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

For a lot of people, having someone call your work like Russell did would be enough. (by the way, they tried to get me fired ten years ago, and I was never even in the cult. Fortunately the University where I worked had better lawyers)

Getting a perhaps less than stellar PI on your tail only adds to the 'noise' that's making your brain hurt. Knowing that you're being tailed, that someone's watching, etc. increases stress on you, which is the primary objective for Scn, inc. If they actually do dig up any dirt, better for them. If there isn't any, it's possible they might try to manufacture some.

Remember, they're restricted to 'chess moves' that you can research for yourself, in Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and in Hubbard's policies and bulletins. Study what happened to Paulette Cooper, Gabe Cazares, and Bob Minton, Arnie Lerma, Tom Klemesrud, and Bob Penny. See if there's a pattern. While CoS can't change the pattern Hub set, the PIs aren't restricted to how they achieve those ends. You can also discover how people have stopped the harassment.

Even their star thug, PI Eugene Ingram, was wanted for impersonating a Hillsborough county police detective, IIRC, in Florida, where he was trying to either plant or dig up dirt on a local sheriff.

Getting Russell's license suspended in CA will not get in the way of his operating in other states where he's licensed.

There's almost always a layer between CoS and the PI du jour. If the PI 'messes up', it can't be blamed on CoS. There are many unscrupulous PIs, who work the cracks in the system to their temporary advantage when it means big money.

Can you imagine if your client said, 'make as much noise as possible while you're investigating, and if you cross a line and get caught, we'll take care of you while you ride out your suspension'. That would probably make a lot of PIs pretty bold.

Be as transparent as possible about what's happening to you, without compromising your situation. You don't sound like a dumb person. Intelligence and preparation are your best protection.

You're not alone.

I do have to wonder, if most public Scn's knew how much money their 'church' was spending on PIs to dig up dirt as per policy on anyone who disagrees with and/or poses a threat to Scn, inc., would they raise an internal stink?

-maggie, human being

<hr> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:27:12 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Organization: ARSCC Intel Div
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
In-Reply-To: <1127560805.448911.248610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <43356260$1@news2.lightlink.com>

Fred Durks wrote: > Barb- these internet or court battles are like chess. It's a game
> with strategy, and certain moves are made for a reason. I've been in
> plenty so I know. You work to set your opponent up for a huge fall.
> I keep on wondering how a PI for the Church of Scientology with years
> of experience could F--- up so bad. It's almost like they wanted me to
> run with his mistake. I'm wondering what their angle is if that is the
> case. Are they really that dumb or am I the one making mistakes here?
> What would they have to gain by him getting his PI license revoked or
> is that what I'm supposed to think? My brain hurts.......
>
Fred, A while ago, the "church" relied upon members to carry out its dirty deeds. Unfortunately, they weren't often slick enough to avoid being busted. Now, that just started giving the cult a bad name! (heh)

They shifted to hiring PIs for the dirty stuff. In Cali, you have to have 2000 hours of police work to qualify for a PI license, so it's surprising when one of the hired goons screws up. A few years back, my then-91 year old uncle reported a phone call from someone claiming to be doing a background check on me for a job. The guy told my uncle he represented a corporate client. Unfortunately for the cult (and it would be nobody else) my uncle didn't really know much about me. Where did I graduate college? Do I have a police record? Uncle said, "all I can tell you is, she used to train falcons." Then he asked the caller what corporation he represented. "Uh, Church of Scientology," the guy responded.

I was like, huh? Was that a goof? Was it a feeble warning? Did it matter in the long run? I had previously warned everyone I know that they might get a call such as this, and please to let me know. That sort of perimeter is worth taking the time to set up.

Anyway, there are things that a hired goon won't do, lest his license get yanked. You are quite right to wonder about the purpose behind this apparent slip-up on the part of your goon.

The next thing I'd ask is, how clean are your hands? Would there be any possibility that, in court, the cult might bring out something obscure from your past to discredit you? As you can see from my RFW web pages, all they could find on me was an old DUI. That's all there is. I must be slicker than the po-po, if I'm the holy terror they claim and I don't have a record.

Of course, since they called the police to my house with the suggestion that I was gonna blow them up, they could now add "accused domestic terrorist" to their list of labels for me.

You're being tested. The cult is prodding to see what it takes to scare you away. After my first picket, they spread fliers around my building libelling me. They sent a couple of "parishioners" to my parents' house, and warned my dad that "We know how to shut her up."

Awesome. Didn't work. Folks thought it was entertaining as hell, having cult members on their front porch!

It's all been pretty low level stuff, but it does work on some people, especially families with kids. Apart from a couple of car chases and that bomb complaint, cult tactics have been pretty tame. Parking outside my house, woo, booga booga. That was Edwin Richardson, a well recognized cult PI who works for Talon Security out of LA. Scientology seems to be their only client; at least, all the PIs we saw while picketing Gold Base in Hemet were Talon people. I wonder if your guy was contracted by Talon?

Get notarized statements from the people involved in this slander case before the cult gets to them. And if guys parked outside watching your house doesn't creep you out, and you have nothing to hide, GIT R DONE!

An example should be made of this PI, the message needs to be sent that slander and libel will not be tolerated. The cult won't support the guy. They'll deny culpability and probably say the guy took the initiative. Whatever, it'll teach that roach not to work for evil, destructive cults, no matter how much they pay!

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--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenubarb@netscape.net

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky Peter Alexander

<hr> From: root@127.1
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:51:07 -0600
Message-ID: <5p3bj1dcmaso12nvm37jpdbel9v821qffe@4ax.com>

In <1127560805.448911.248610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Fred Durks" <freddurks@stopscientology.com> wrote:

>Barb- these internet or court battles are like chess. It's a game
>with strategy, and certain moves are made for a reason. I've been in
>plenty so I know. You work to set your opponent up for a huge fall.
>I keep on wondering how a PI for the Church of Scientology with years
>of experience could F--- up so bad. It's almost like they wanted me to
>run with his mistake. I'm wondering what their angle is if that is the
>case. Are they really that dumb or am I the one making mistakes here?
>What would they have to gain by him getting his PI license revoked or
>is that what I'm supposed to think? My brain hurts.......

Like all their PIs, he's a throw-away, expendable. He might even find that he can't collect what he's owed. Over the years, a couple of former cult PIs have posted to ARS about their experiences with the dead-beat cult.

Since they and he are being to superficial about things, it's in the "Noisy Investigation" stage. Probing defenses and trying for an early scare-off. When they get serious, they'll hire a lawyer, who'll sub out the investigation/harassment, who'll hire a large PI agency, who might subcontract out the actual skunk work. When they get serious they use several layers of cut-outs -- but still manage to leave their greasy fingerprints all over the place a lot of the time, figuratively speaking.

In the past, their strategy has been to spend any amount of money filing any number of suits. Win or lose, they don't care, because they've got Tom Cruise and John Travolta funding their warchest, and the objects of their hatred don't. That's one good reason not to buy tickets for the movies, amongst others.

<hr> From: "Fred Durks" <freddurks@stopscientology.com>
Subject: Re: They found out who I am and have started the harassment
Date: 25 Sep 2005 21:24:53 -0700
Message-ID: <1127708693.355585.39410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Barb- Sorry for linking to cchr directly from ARS earlier. I do search engine optimization for a living and I understand the importance of incoming links. ----------------------------

whatntha from OCMB said-

Quote: Personally, I won't shut up. I contacted a lot of reporters today referring them to this link.

I think this is a good idea. This PI shot himself hard in the foot by saying I had a warrant out for my arrest. I think you might as well capitalize on the event. I just sent out a million emails to every major news media outlet. If you feel you would like to do the same, check out this link -

http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm

COPY AND PASTE ALL THE EMAIL ADDRESSES!!!

Please don't do this for me. Do it to expose this con. They have a wound and are bleeding..... I say poor gasoline on it :)

Please feel free to use any information I have on the letter I sent-
---------------------------------------------------------------
subject: Scientology is trying to get me fired. They hired PI's to go after me.

Hello,

My name is Paul Horner and I run a website called www.stopscientology.com. It's a critic site of the Church of Scientology. I've always been careful to hide my real name, billing, and address from Scientology because they are a dangerous cult and have been known to do a lot of creepy things to their critics. I've been know as "Fred Durks" on my website until just a few days ago.

Last week, Russell Andrews, a Private Investigator from Triwest Investigative Services, called one of my co-workers asking questions about me. He also told him I had a warrant out for my arrest among other slanderous things about me. I immediately had my lawyer call him to tell him not to harass anybody from my company or myself. Russell Andrews then began to tell the lawyer how I have a warrant out for my arrest and I work for an Internet company that does illegal downloads. Russell Andrews also denied working for the Church of Scientology.

If you Google "Russel Andrews scientology", you can see he is in deep with the cult.

Here's some info on Russel Andrews and his ties to the Church of Scientology http://www.fza.org/index.php?p=464 http://www.whyaretheydead.net/misc/Factnet/INVESTIG.TXT

This is where Russell Andrews works-
Triwest Investigative Services
1441 Huntington Drive
So. Pasadena, CA 91030 United States
Office: (323)254-5151
License Number: PI 18780
Insured?: Yes

Triwest specializes in litigation support, witness location and interviews, surveillance, backgrounds, corporate due diligence, etc. We maintain an extensive public records library and database accounts to assist in complex assignments.

EMAIL TRIWEST INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES
http://www.infoguys.com/pi_mail.cfm?id=157

Here are a couple great forums and threads going on about this topic as we speak-

>Operation Clambake
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=14658

>A.R.S
http://tinyurl.com/9w9r9

My lawyer has filed formal complaints with the 4 main bureaus in California notifying them of this PI with a license in California harassing people and working on cases in Arizona. He has also done the same in Arizona. Local Authorities have also been notified too. He's currently looking into civil action for monetary damages on this PI.

This is so far the most recent NEWS on the case-

THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS IN CALIFORNIA CALLED ME ON FRIDAY, THEY AGREED TO PURSUE OUR CLAIM AGAINST PI RUSSELL ANDREWS because he told my work I have a warrant out for my arrest.

Also, I have recieved an anonymous email talking about this PI, Russell Andrews, and that he is married to Fran Andrews. Fran Andrews is the Executive Director of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. (cchr.org) This group was Established in 1969 by the Church ofScientology. The person writing me this anonymously said they live in Pasadena with their three children.

No REAL religion would hire PI's to get their critics fired from their job. I just wanted to pass along this news that is currently going on. I've left my phone number and email address at the bottom if you wish to contact me regarding any questions you may have.

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