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Subject: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <748b0f2a44bd67e16985f78bdaaa37c3@anon.xg.nu>
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I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.

Maybe others could do the same.

--- A Third Real No User

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From: H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:04:58 -0700
Organization: none
Message-ID: <ljbqdtktd2uu8jakf7i9332eiobfq3k2ti@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"

<remailer@xganon.com> wrote:

>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>Maybe others could do the same.
>
>---
>A Third Real No User
Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson From: frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <tds27mfjvqb28@corp.supernews.com>
H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
>>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>>Maybe others could do the same.
>Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
Can you be sent money anonymously?

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Message-ID: <3ADE0F88.DAF0F369@bc.cc.ca.us>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:04:56 -0700
From: Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Organization: Lightlink Internet
"Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:

>
> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
> >>Maybe others could do the same.
>
> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
>
> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>
More to the point, is there a "defense fund" where money can be sent reliably without delivering it into the hands of a certain UFO nut-cult?

From: ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:35:36 GMT
Message-ID: <3ade2489.10616518@localhost>
Cancel-Lock: sha1:rOOJk6Ulh1jaXTkDtOX/HY5RCTE= X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Organization: Lightlink Internet
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT, frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
> >>Maybe others could do the same.
> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
> Can you be sent money anonymously?
Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the crime syndicate does.

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From: frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:41:00 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <tdsod82vo1mgf2@corp.supernews.com>
ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT, frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev
>Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
>> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
>> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>> >>Maybe others could do the same.
>> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
>> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the
>crime syndicate does.
Bad suggestion. Go to your local U. S. Post Office and check the posters on the wall. Among the numerous crimes one can engage in, one of them is forging information on a money order purchased from the U. S. Post Office and there is, in fact, a $10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction of people who do so. I checked into it when the crime syndicate forged the money order to purchase access to EASENET for purposes of flooding their commercial computer system. A photograph of that money order was entered into the FBI's sporgery files.

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Sender: cstone@skie.neutral-zone Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
From: Brandon Creighton <bjc@pobox.com>
Organization: none
Message-ID: <87hezlqsag.fsf@skie.neutral-zone>
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:10:03 GMT
X-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:08:39 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice) writes:

> ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT, frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev
> >Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> >> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
> >> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
> >> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
> >> >>Maybe others could do the same.
> >> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
> >> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>
> >Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the
> >crime syndicate does.
>
> Bad suggestion. Go to your local U. S. Post Office and check the posters
> on the wall. Among the numerous crimes one can engage in, one of them is
> forging information on a money order purchased from the U. S. Post Office
> and there is, in fact, a $10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction
> of people who do so. I checked into it when the crime syndicate forged
> the money order to purchase access to EASENET for purposes of flooding
> their commercial computer system. A photograph of that money order was
> entered into the FBI's sporgery files.
Is this only applicable to postal money orders? Western Union, among other companies, issues money orders as well; you can purchase them in all sorts of suitably anonymous locations (gas stations, drug stores, etc.) with no questions asked.

--bjc From: frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:21:35 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <tdv13obbpu3bbb@corp.supernews.com>
Brandon Creighton <bjc@pobox.com> wrote:

>frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice) writes:
>> ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:
>>>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT, frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev
>>>Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
>>>> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
>>>> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>>>> >>Maybe others could do the same.
>>>> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
>>>> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>>>Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the
>>>crime syndicate does.
>> Bad suggestion. Go to your local U. S. Post Office and check the posters
>> on the wall. Among the numerous crimes one can engage in, one of them is
>> forging information on a money order purchased from the U. S. Post Office
>> and there is, in fact, a $10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction
>> of people who do so. I checked into it when the crime syndicate forged
>> the money order to purchase access to EASENET for purposes of flooding
>> their commercial computer system. A photograph of that money order was
>> entered into the FBI's sporgery files.
>Is this only applicable to postal money orders? Western Union, among
>other companies, issues money orders as well; you can purchase them in
>all sorts of suitably anonymous locations (gas stations, drug stores,
>etc.) with no questions asked.
I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.

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Message-ID: <3AE0673E.E0598C41@bc.cc.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:43:42 -0700
From: Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Organization: Lightlink Internet
"Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:

>
> I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found
> the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on
> postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect
> that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on
> MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.
Picking nits here, how would you get it to Keith? FedEx? Carrier pigeon?

From: frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:18:18 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <te1oqc83f1v4cb@corp.supernews.com>
Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:

>"Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>> I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found
>> the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on
>> postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect
>> that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on
>> MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.
>Picking nits here, how would you get it to Keith? FedEx? Carrier
>pigeon?
_I_ wouldn't. PayPal is good enough for me though I would rather deposit funds anonymously if I could simply because the crime syndicate abuses the courts like the Mafia criminals they are.

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Message-ID: <3AE06BCC.ACB4FFBB@home.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:03:08 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@home.com>
Organization: ARSCCwdne
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Chris Leithiser wrote:

>
> "Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >
>
> > I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found
> > the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on
> > postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect
> > that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on
> > MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.
>
> Picking nits here, how would you get it to Keith? FedEx? Carrier
> pigeon?
Carrier Eagle... big wads of cash would ground a pigeon.

-- Barb Chaplain, ARSCC http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)

http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site "Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things to damage its own reputation."

-Steve Zadarnowski "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology."

-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:

Do you want to save the world?

Then eat this booger.

--Hud Nordin Message-ID: <3AE06FD7.8647F370@bc.cc.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:20:23 -0700
From: Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Organization: Lightlink Internet
barb wrote:

>
> Chris Leithiser wrote:
> >
> > "Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found
> > > the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on
> > > postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect
> > > that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on
> > > MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.
> >
> > Picking nits here, how would you get it to Keith? FedEx? Carrier
> > pigeon?
>
> Carrier Eagle... big wads of cash would ground a pigeon.
Is that an English pigeon, or an African pigeon?

Message-ID: <3AE0C694.D1DDFA5E@bc.cc.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:30:28 -0700
From: Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Organization: Lightlink Internet
Norm Grange wrote:

>
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:43:42 -0700, Chris Leithiser
> <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > "Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
> > > I suspect it's MO's purchased only from POs since the poster that I found
> > > the $10,000 reward on listed things that people aren't allowed to do on
> > > postal property, with postal property, or through the mails. So I suspect
> > > that fake names, addresses, phone numbers or whatever can be written on
> > > MO's that aren't purchased from the PO though I really don't know.
>
> > Picking nits here, how would you get it to Keith? FedEx? Carrier
> > pigeon?
>
> Why not in person?
Excellent suggestion, for those of us fortunate enough to meet Mr.

Henson IRL. However, I am pointing out here that the Post Office's definition of "mail fraud" is _quite_ broad, and has been extended in the past to merely receiving mail/sending out mail at an office which is engaged in such.

While I don't believe it would extend to sending someone a money order on which you have (clumsily) misspelled your own name, I think a certain UFO nut-cult will find out that it _does_ apply to them.

I don't care whether the shriveling cult of greed and power knows if I have sent Keith money. I simply want to know that it will get _to_ him, for _his_ use.

From: DaHatter <bitbucket@lindner2k.com>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:48:02 -0700
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
Message-ID: <3ADE9832.9EF9CEC9@lindner2k.com>
"Rev Fredric L. Rice" wrote:

>
> ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:22:28 GMT, frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev
> >Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> >> H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
> >> ><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
> >> >>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
> >> >>Maybe others could do the same.
> >> >Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
> >> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>
> >Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the
> >crime syndicate does.
>
> Bad suggestion. Go to your local U. S. Post Office and check the posters
> on the wall. Among the numerous crimes one can engage in, one of them is
> forging information on a money order purchased from the U. S. Post Office
> and there is, in fact, a $10,000 reward leading to the arrest and conviction
> of people who do so. I checked into it when the crime syndicate forged
> the money order to purchase access to EASENET for purposes of flooding
> their commercial computer system. A photograph of that money order was
> entered into the FBI's sporgery files.
The Postmaster General may be a better place to send it, particularly if you want to see that ten large.

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Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:52:49 -0400
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews Abusers - Beltway Annex
Message-ID: <9bn1kh$3lo$1@panix6.panix.com>
ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) writes:
>> Can you be sent money anonymously?
>Money Orders can be anonymous: just give a false name, like the
>crime syndicate does.

No name at all is needed. You plop cash, the postal clerk gives you a MO.

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From: "John C. Randolph" <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Organization: http://www.idiom.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:56:04 -0700


lmt_watch@my-deja.com wrote:

>
>
> I wouldn't be surprised to see all donors investigated for conspiring
> with Henson.
Mary, can you remember a time in your life when you weren't a vicious little cunt?

It's not too late. You know where the Lisa MacPherson Trust is. You can escape right now. Everything I know about Bob, Stacy, Tory, Jesse, Mark, and the rest of the wonderful people there tells me that they won't hold your churlish behaviour to date against you when you come to your senses.

Good luck, you need it.

-jcr Message-ID: <3ADE2C37.206CAF76@home.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:07:19 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@home.com>
Organization: ARSCCwdne
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
"John C. Randolph" wrote:

>
> lmt_watch@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised to see all donors investigated for conspiring
> > with Henson.
>
> Mary, can you remember a time in your life when you weren't a vicious
> little cunt?
>
> It's not too late. You know where the Lisa MacPherson Trust is. You
> can escape right now. Everything I know about Bob, Stacy, Tory, Jesse,
> Mark, and the rest of the wonderful people there tells me that they
> won't hold your churlish behaviour to date against you when you come to
> your senses.
>
> Good luck, you need it.
>
> -jcr
Just remember, Mary...walk, don't drive!

-- Barb Chaplain, ARSCC http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)

http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site "Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things to damage its own reputation."

-Steve Zadarnowski "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology."

-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:

Do you want to save the world?

Then eat this booger.

--Hud Nordin From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:20:21 -0400
Organization: ARS: Perhaps The Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet
Message-ID: <jobsdtotkajaicquqca34p4t2hhq743i67@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:56:04 -0700, "John C. Randolph"

<jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:

>lmt_watch@my-deja.com wrote:
>> I wouldn't be surprised to see all donors investigated for conspiring
>> with Henson.
>Mary, can you remember a time in your life when you weren't a vicious
>little cunt?
There are at least two people who post using the name "lmt_watch."

At least one of them isn't Mary DeMoss, at least recently.

ptsc From: bogie@xs4all.nl (Boudewijn van Ingen)
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:07:01 GMT
Organization: None, I think...
Sender: bogie@3dyn31.com21.casema.net Message-ID: <3ade1b41.7941880@news.xs4all.nl>
On 18 Apr 2001 09:19:05 -0500, lmt_watch@my-deja.com wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:04:58 -0700, H. Keith Henson
><hkhenson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>"
>><remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>>>Maybe others could do the same.
>>>
>>>---
>>>A Third Real No User
>>
>>Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
>
>Don't forget to log all income and gifts as required by Sandy Rosen
>and remember that X.com can be subpoenaed as anyone else.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised to see all donors investigated for conspiring
>with Henson.
I wouldn't be surprised if the message announcing that money order was actually sent by a $cientologist without any intent to really send such a money order. In stead, the anonymous $cientologists intention would have been for the cult to use that posting in court to try to "prove" that Henson "lies" when Henson correctly does not report the US$500 that were never actually sent to him.

What's the point in claiming 'credit' for such a good deed in public if you're anonymous anyway? Even when you're not, it's questionable to claim yourself to have made a contribution. A better way would be to accompany your gift with a note of some form, to explain to the recipient how you could be acknowleged.

I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.
Groeten, Boudewijn.

Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
From: mirele@earthlink.net (Mirele)
Organization: Knights of Xenu, Valley of the Sun Chapter
Message-ID: <9087ADCD5mireleearthlinknet@205.232.34.12>
Date: 18 Apr 2001 19:49:55 -0500
lmt_watch@my-deja.com wrote in <hc8rdtc12nkqr34b3aspn5kqgkbkec3314@4ax.com>:

>Don't forget to log all income and gifts as required by Sandy Rosen
>and remember that X.com can be subpoenaed as anyone else.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised to see all donors investigated for conspiring
>with Henson.
<snort>

Give me a BREAK! You people have beggared Keith in your obsessive quest to destroy him and spent more money than you could EVER get out of him in his entire life to make him your lifelong slave. If people feel like giving Keith support monetarily or in kind, it's their business. If Keith is require to report it, so be it, but in my religion, Christianity, providing support for those who need it is a blessing. I realize that this is not the case in Scientology, but if Keith needs support, he will be supported.

Deana mirele@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 04:06:03 -0500
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Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <b6da33b5b07b31aa6385a13eb24b91d3@anon.xg.nu>
Organization: mail2news@dizum.com
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:04:58 -0700, H. Keith Henson hkhenson@pacbell.net wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, Public Anonymous_Account
> remailer@xganon.com wrote:
>> I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>> Maybe others could do the same.
> Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
Check your PayPal---- transaction was successful.

And you are damn well welcome to it. Protecting human rights is everyone's duty.

--- A Third Real No User


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From: ruprose@aol.com (RUPROSE)
Date: 19 Apr 2001 01:41:47 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <20010418214147.04152.00000075@ng-fa1.aol.com>
You can find Keith Henson's address here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=d5fe3fd36144d17 c&seekd=899758863

>Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
>From: "Public Anonymous_Account " <remailer@xganon.com>
>Date: 4/18/01 4:06 AM EST
>Message-id: <b6da33b5b07b31aa6385a13eb24b91d3@anon.xg.nu>
>
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:04:58 -0700, H. Keith Henson hkhenson@pacbell.net
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:02:11 -0500, Public Anonymous_Account
>> remailer@xganon.com wrote:
>
>>> I'm sending a money order to Keith Henson for $500.00 to help him out.
>>> Maybe others could do the same.
>
>> Thank you *very* much. Keith Henson
>
>Check your PayPal---- transaction was successful.
>
>And you are damn well welcome to it. Protecting human
>rights is everyone's duty.
>
>---
>A Third Real No User
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <ea03f231ec6df32317d48b3d9e93b7da@anon.xg.nu>
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> I wouldn't be surprised if the message announcing that money order was
> actually sent by a $cientologist without any intent to really send
> such a money order. In stead, the anonymous $cientologists intention
> would have been for the cult to use that posting in court to try to
> 'prove' that Henson 'lies' when Henson correctly does not report the
> US$500 that were never actually sent to him.
>
> What's the point in claiming 'credit' for such a good deed in public
> if you're anonymous anyway?
public praise means nothing to me: helping henson out does. it was my hope that others would follow my example. that is one of the reasons I posted about my gift to henson in ars. the other reason was to show the crime syndicate that their harassment of henson has not had their desired effect on the critics. every time the criminal business harasses its victims, the number of people who come to oppose the business' crimes increases. attacking henson will only cause more people to fight against the criminal business' abuses. that is human nature, which the crime business must be well aware of. the crime business must know that they are generating more and more critics with every crime the commit against people like henson.

> Even when you're not, it's questionable to
> claim yourself to have made a contribution. A better way would be to
> accompany your gift with a note of some form, to explain to the
> recipient how you could be acknowleged.
i care not about 'being acknowledged'. that is not why i sent the gift to henson.

> I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.
>
>
> Groeten,
> Boudewijn.


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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:16:17 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@home.com>
Organization: ARSCCwdne
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
"Public " wrote:

>
> > I wouldn't be surprised if the message announcing that money order was
> > actually sent by a $cientologist without any intent to really send
> > such a money order. In stead, the anonymous $cientologists intention
> > would have been for the cult to use that posting in court to try to
> > 'prove' that Henson 'lies' when Henson correctly does not report the
> > US$500 that were never actually sent to him.
> >
> > What's the point in claiming 'credit' for such a good deed in public
> > if you're anonymous anyway?
>
> public praise means nothing to me: helping henson out does. it was my
> hope that others would follow my example. that is one of the reasons
> I posted about my gift to henson in ars. the other reason was to show
> the crime syndicate that their harassment of henson has not had their
> desired effect on the critics. every time the criminal business harasses
> its victims, the number of people who come to oppose the business' crimes
> increases. attacking henson will only cause more people to fight against
> the criminal business' abuses. that is human nature, which the crime
> business must be well aware of. the crime business must know that they
> are generating more and more critics with every crime the commit against
> people like henson.
>
> > Even when you're not, it's questionable to
> > claim yourself to have made a contribution. A better way would be to
> > accompany your gift with a note of some form, to explain to the
> > recipient how you could be acknowleged.
>
> i care not about 'being acknowledged'. that is not why i sent the gift
> to henson.
That is the purest form of charity, to give without expectation of a social reward.

>
> > I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.
> >
> >
> > Groeten,
> > Boudewijn.
>
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-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:

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Then eat this booger.

--Hud Nordin From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB)
Date: 19 Apr 2001 16:26:07 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <20010419122607.13820.00000105@ng-cj1.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: $500.00 for Keith Henson
>From: "Public Anonymous_Account " <remailer@xganon.com>
>Date: 4/19/01 7:05 AM Central
>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if the message announcing that money order was
>> actually sent by a $cientologist without any intent to really send
>> such a money order. In stead, the anonymous $cientologists intention
>> would have been for the cult to use that posting in court to try to
>> 'prove' that Henson 'lies' when Henson correctly does not report the
>> US$500 that were never actually sent to him.
>>
>> What's the point in claiming 'credit' for such a good deed in public
>> if you're anonymous anyway?
>
>public praise means nothing to me: helping henson out does. it was my
>hope that others would follow my example. that is one of the reasons
>I posted about my gift to henson in ars. the other reason was to show
>the crime syndicate that their harassment of henson has not had their
>desired effect on the critics. every time the criminal business harasses
>its victims, the number of people who come to oppose the business' crimes
>increases. attacking henson will only cause more people to fight against
>the criminal business' abuses. that is human nature, which the crime
>business must be well aware of. the crime business must know that they
>are generating more and more critics with every crime the commit against
>people like henson.
Yes and your kindness is an inspiration. I received a private email that another person is sending $500 to Keith Henson. and It even inspired me to cough up something. We hope that every follower and lurker on the ARs will contribute.

JImDBB

From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB)
Date: 19 Apr 2001 03:02:45 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: On $500 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <20010418230245.12481.00000043@ng-ca1.aol.com>
I very much admire and applaud the individual who is contributing $500 to Keith Henson to help him with expenses. I wish that I could send the same amount. I can't but I am sending something. You know, if every contributor and lurker on this newsgroup woujld send just $1, Keith would have close to $100,000 for his defense. This would give him a chance. Can we get everyone to send something?

Please! Keith has been on the front line and desparately needs help and support. Those of you who communicate on other newsgroups and the net in general please pass the word and Keith's address, which is:

Keith Henson Box 60012 Palo Alto, CA 94306 Sten-Arne did us a great service by posting the complete IAS Patrons List ( he has posted half with the other half coming soon-USA). I"ve been looking over this list and I had no idea that there were this many contributors to Scientology's 'War Chest.' The War Chest money is used to silence critics and former members. The amounts of these 'contributions' are staggering. When you combine these with all of the money flowing in from the overpriced courses and auditing it becomes very clear that Keith Henson doesn't have a chance. This cult has unlimited funds to endlessly harass Henson into the grave. Graham Berry doesn't have a chance. CAN didn't have a chance. Bob MInton maybe does have a chance but they are pulling out all of the stops to get him.

We must ensure that Henson has a chance. Please... we need to help these people. Tom Padgett needs help and Graham Berry. Send what you can today for Keith and what you can next month.

Maybe somebody close to Henson can post who contributes...not amounts but who so that we can sort out who is really involved and who isn't.

If you live anywhere Hemet, please show upt for the trial and demonstrate your support for Keith. And we should contact the District Attorney and find out why they are pursuing this farcial case.

JImDBB From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB)
Date: 19 Apr 2001 16:12:30 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <20010419121230.13820.00000103@ng-cj1.aol.com>
>Subject: On $500 for Keith Henson
>From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB)
>Date: 4/18/01 10:02 PM Central Daylight Time
>I very much admire and applaud the individual who is contributing $500 to
>Keith
>Henson to help him with expenses. I wish that I could send the same amount.
>I
>can't but I am sending something. You know, if every contributor and lurker
>on
>this newsgroup woujld send just $1, Keith would have close to $100,000 for
>his
>defense. This would give him a chance. Can we get everyone to send
>something?
> Please! Keith has been on the front line and desparately needs help and
>support. Those of you who communicate on other newsgroups and the net in
>general please pass the word and Keith's address, which is:
>
>Keith Henson
>Box 60012
>Palo Alto, CA 94306
>
>Sten-Arne did us a great service by posting the complete IAS Patrons List (
>he
>has posted half with the other half coming soon-USA). I"ve been looking over
>this list and I had no idea that there were this many contributors to
>Scientology's 'War Chest.' The War Chest money is used to silence critics
>and
>former members. The amounts of these 'contributions' are staggering. When
>you
>combine these with all of the money flowing in from the overpriced courses
>and
>auditing it becomes very clear that Keith Henson doesn't have a chance. This
>cult has unlimited funds to endlessly harass Henson into the grave. Graham
>Berry doesn't have a chance. CAN didn't have a chance. Bob MInton maybe
>does
>have a chance but they are pulling out all of the stops to get him.
>
>We must ensure that Henson has a chance. Please... we need to help these
>people. Tom Padgett needs help and Graham Berry. Send what you can today for
>Keith and what you can next month.
>
>Maybe somebody close to Henson can post who contributes...not amounts but who
>so that we can sort out who is really involved and who isn't.
>
>If you live anywhere Hemet, please show upt for the trial and demonstrate
>your
>support for Keith. And we should contact the District Attorney and find out
>why they are pursuing this farcial case.
>
>JImDBB
I just received a private email from an individual who is sending $500.00 to Keith Henson but wants to remain anonymous. this is very encouraging and an inspiration.

Please send what you can from $1.00 on up. this is most important, that we all get involved.

Jim Beebe

From: demystify@freedom.net
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:28:08 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <tdv45ndc6j750a@corp.supernews.com>
Old-From: demystify@freedom.net On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:53:13 GMT, ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:22:38 -0700, demystify@freedom.net wrote:
>
>> On 19 Apr 2001 16:12:30 GMT, jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>
>>>I just received a private email from an individual who is sending $500.00 to
>>>Keith Henson but wants to remain anonymous. this is very encouraging and an
>>>inspiration.
>>>
>>>Please send what you can from $1.00 on up. this is most important, that we all
>>>get involved.
>>>
>>>Jim Beebe
>
>> Anyone (perhaps with some legal background or experience maybe)
>> have any idea what it would take to set up a legal defense fund
>> for Keith. I assume it would have to be outside of his personal
>> control as the mad attack dogs of the cult have put him into
>> bankruptcy in order to steal and/or tie up any funds he could use
>> to defend himself against their bogus charges, but perhaps an
>> independent defense fund could be set up.
>>
>> Maybe it could even be set up as a defense fund for any of the
>> victims of the organized crime cult.
>
>Perhaps it is better to send Henson money as a gift and not as a
>defense fund, as money contribted to a defense fund sould ony go
>towards Henson defendng himself against these bogus charges.
>Henson also needs to pay for goods and services that allow him to
>live.
Yes, the two would be separate things though. Any money that Keith gets will be subject to the mad dog attacks from the cult. If they were to attack a legal defense fund though, not under his control and simply defending him from their attacks from a humanitarian, free speech and civil rights standpoint, not only would it have a much better chance of withstanding their attack, but their efforts to attack it would show the courts, the public and the press a lot more easily what is actually going on.

I would think that holding up a defense fund as a "carrot" for them to attack would cause them to show their insanity in public in a way that would help to generate the public interest needed to help to get the government to clean up their criminal act.

________________________________________________________________________ Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net
From: Ralph Hilton <ralph@hilton.org>
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:39:33 +0200
Message-ID: <786vdto24er71g3p6fba1i0oopihe3ikfk@4ax.com>
demystify@freedom.net wrote on Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:28:08 -0700 in msg <tdv45ndc6j750a@corp.supernews.com>, :

>>Perhaps it is better to send Henson money as a gift and not as a
>>defense fund, as money contribted to a defense fund sould ony go
>>towards Henson defendng himself against these bogus charges.
>>Henson also needs to pay for goods and services that allow him to
>>live.
>
>Yes, the two would be separate things though. Any money that Keith
>gets will be subject to the mad dog attacks from the cult. If they
>were to attack a legal defense fund though, not under his control
>and simply defending him from their attacks from a humanitarian,
>free speech and civil rights standpoint, not only would it have a
>much better chance of withstanding their attack, but their efforts
>to attack it would show the courts, the public and the press a lot
>more easily what is actually going on.
>
>I would think that holding up a defense fund as a "carrot" for them
>to attack would cause them to show their insanity in public in a
>way that would help to generate the public interest needed to help
>to get the government to clean up their criminal act.
Create the defense fund in Germany or Austria. In America it would be subject to far greater attacks.

There are many countries here where the CofS has no control. In America it seems that they have taken over the police etc.

Over here they have never touched me.

As far as I'm concerned the CofS can have America and the FZ has Europe, Russia, Hungary, Bulgaria and all the other nice places over this side of the pond.

The CofS can bleed rich Amercans of their money while we create a simple co-audit scene where people help each other.

The American management of the CofS will never understand nor be able to control us because we are not motivated by money.

Over here people don't buy BS so easy. They just download the material from www.cleartech.da.ru and get with their friends and use it without all the bullshit from regges and E/Os.

I haven't seen them advertize here but www.freezone.hu is active now however you have to translate the word "freezone" into Hungarian.

The Russian FZ has taken over - they got a mailing list and now all the Russians are doing cheap co-audits and setting up and delivering everything and don't need DM and co.

Over here in Austria the CofS is history. I think that the house we live in has a lot more floor space than the Vienna org.







-- Ralph Hilton http://www.fzint.org/rhilton Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/ Date: 19 Apr 2001 22:41:34 -0000
Message-ID: <20010419224134.12966.qmail@nym.alias.net>
From: Reality Check <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Author-Address: reality_check <AT> nym <DOT> alias <DOT> net Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net
On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:

>I very much admire and applaud the individual who is contributing $500 to Keith
>Henson to help him with expenses. I wish that I could send the same amount. I
>can't but I am sending something. You know, if every contributor and lurker on
>this newsgroup woujld send just $1, Keith would have close to $100,000 for his
>defense. This would give him a chance. Can we get everyone to send something?
> Please! Keith has been on the front line and desparately needs help and
>support. Those of you who communicate on other newsgroups and the net in
>general please pass the word and Keith's address, which is:
>
>Keith Henson
>Box 60012
>Palo Alto, CA 94306
>
>Sten-Arne did us a great service by posting the complete IAS Patrons List ( he
>has posted half with the other half coming soon-USA). I"ve been looking over
>this list and I had no idea that there were this many contributors to
>Scientology's 'War Chest.' The War Chest money is used to silence critics and
>former members. The amounts of these 'contributions' are staggering. When you
>combine these with all of the money flowing in from the overpriced courses and
>auditing it becomes very clear that Keith Henson doesn't have a chance. This
>cult has unlimited funds to endlessly harass Henson into the grave. Graham
>Berry doesn't have a chance. CAN didn't have a chance. Bob MInton maybe does
>have a chance but they are pulling out all of the stops to get him.
>
>We must ensure that Henson has a chance. Please... we need to help these
>people. Tom Padgett needs help and Graham Berry. Send what you can today for
>Keith and what you can next month.
>
>Maybe somebody close to Henson can post who contributes...not amounts but who
>so that we can sort out who is really involved and who isn't.
>
>If you live anywhere Hemet, please show upt for the trial and demonstrate your
>support for Keith. And we should contact the District Attorney and find out
>why they are pursuing this farcial case.
>
>JImDBB
This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for writing it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support. Same goes for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles with OSA.

This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to get into if it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it can't, even with OSA.

Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower and farting loudly.

Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I don't.

This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are never heard of again.

If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.

A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and a higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS? They don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It doesn't slow them down.

And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing he's their main man.

The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS. But it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.

Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.

Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it still pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in the new house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my money to make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day. Never happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with Dennis.

The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or at least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to cut his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.

But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's got at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything in her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss, he'd be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to dead agent the crap they keep spewing about him.

Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to lose them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site with information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers, and who make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of critics who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.

It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)

Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting their asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the ranting instinct in me. End rant.

I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If you can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they think is right.

And good luck to you, Keith.

RC Message-ID: <3ADF6EF6.9B120473@home.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:04:22 -0700
From: barb <bwarr1@home.com>
Organization: ARSCCwdne
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Reality Check wrote:

>
> On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:
>
> >I very much admire and applaud the individual who is contributing $500 to Keith
> >Henson to help him with expenses. I wish that I could send the same amount. I
> >can't but I am sending something. You know, if every contributor and lurker on
> >this newsgroup woujld send just $1, Keith would have close to $100,000 for his
> >defense. This would give him a chance. Can we get everyone to send something?
> > Please! Keith has been on the front line and desparately needs help and
> >support. Those of you who communicate on other newsgroups and the net in
> >general please pass the word and Keith's address, which is:
> >
> >Keith Henson
> >Box 60012
> >Palo Alto, CA 94306
> >
> >Sten-Arne did us a great service by posting the complete IAS Patrons List ( he
> >has posted half with the other half coming soon-USA). I"ve been looking over
> >this list and I had no idea that there were this many contributors to
> >Scientology's 'War Chest.' The War Chest money is used to silence critics and
> >former members. The amounts of these 'contributions' are staggering. When you
> >combine these with all of the money flowing in from the overpriced courses and
> >auditing it becomes very clear that Keith Henson doesn't have a chance. This
> >cult has unlimited funds to endlessly harass Henson into the grave. Graham
> >Berry doesn't have a chance. CAN didn't have a chance. Bob MInton maybe does
> >have a chance but they are pulling out all of the stops to get him.
> >
> >We must ensure that Henson has a chance. Please... we need to help these
> >people. Tom Padgett needs help and Graham Berry. Send what you can today for
> >Keith and what you can next month.
> >
> >Maybe somebody close to Henson can post who contributes...not amounts but who
> >so that we can sort out who is really involved and who isn't.
> >
> >If you live anywhere Hemet, please show upt for the trial and demonstrate your
> >support for Keith. And we should contact the District Attorney and find out
> >why they are pursuing this farcial case.
> >
> >JImDBB
>
> This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for writing
> it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support. Same goes
> for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles with OSA.
> This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to get into if
> it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it can't, even with
> OSA.
>
> Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court
> case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete
> and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted
> about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything
> the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal
> grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower and
> farting loudly.
>
> Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he
> ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I
> don't.
>
> This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and
> Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten
> into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are
> never heard of again.
>
> If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make
> OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.
>
> A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case
> against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to
> get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and a
> higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS? They
> don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It doesn't
> slow them down.
>
> And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and
> another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing
> he's their main man.
>
> The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS. But
> it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.
>
> Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public
> prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.
>
> Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo
> fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money
> from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it still
> pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in the new
> house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my money to
> make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day. Never
> happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with Dennis.
>
> The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and
> France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or at
> least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to cut
> his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.
>
> But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's got
> at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything in
> her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss, he'd
> be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to dead
> agent the crap they keep spewing about him.
>
> Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be
> Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to lose
> them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site with
> information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers, and who
> make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of critics
> who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.
>
> It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to
> inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This
> monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA
> bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)
>
> Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting their
> asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the ranting
> instinct in me. End rant.
>
> I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If you
> can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
> money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
> point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they think
> is right.
>
> And good luck to you, Keith.
>
> RC
Please note that the "grandstanders" attract cult attention that might otherwise be focussed......elsewhere.

-- Barb Chaplain, ARSCC http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)

http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site "Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things to damage its own reputation."

-Steve Zadarnowski "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology."

-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Scientology:

Do you want to save the world?

Then eat this booger.

--Hud Nordin Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
From: zinjifar@i.am (Zinj)
Organization: No Org
Message-ID: <3adf787a.0@news2.lightlink.com>
Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:44:58 -0500
In article <20010419224134.12966.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] says...

>
>On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:
>
<snip>

>
>This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for writing
>it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support. Same goes
>for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles with OSA.
>This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to get into if
>it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it can't, even with
>OSA.
>
>Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court
>case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete
>and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted
>about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything
>the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal
>grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower and
>farting loudly.
And this is complete and utter bullshit considering the nature of the case.

It's one thing to say that posting copyrighted info that may involve you in a civil suit is 'asking for it'.

It's another very different thing that I can't let go by uncommented to say that by posting completely non-violent comments to obviously ludicrous original posts, one is 'asking for it'; 'it' in this case being a criminal complaint for 'terrorist threats'.

Sure you say that the case is complete and utter bullshit, but it rests completely on innocuous posts and peaceful picketing being considered 'criminal'.

Shuddering into silence is the only 'safe' way in this case to 'stay out of trouble'.

If the only way to play your 'safe' way is to make sure one is never threatened with a lawsuit or accused of a crime, however meritless, then we're reduced to clucking our tongues impotently.

Sory for *my* rant, but your clueless disregard for social conscience raised my bile.

Zinj
>
>Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he
>ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I
>don't.
>
>This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and
>Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten
>into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are
>never heard of again.
>
>If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make
>OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.
>
>A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case
>against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to
>get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and a
>higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS? They
>don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It doesn't
>slow them down.
>
>And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and
>another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing
>he's their main man.
>
>The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS. But
>it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.
>
>Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public
>prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.
>
>Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo
>fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money
>from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it still
>pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in the new
>house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my money to
>make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day. Never
>happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with Dennis.
>
>The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and
>France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or at
>least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to cut
>his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.
>
>But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's got
>at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything in
>her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss, he'd
>be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to dead
>agent the crap they keep spewing about him.
>
>Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be
>Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to lose
>them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site with
>information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers, and who
>make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of critics
>who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.
>
>It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to
>inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This
>monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA
>bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)
>
>Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting their
>asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the ranting
>instinct in me. End rant.
>
>I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If you
>can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
>money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
>point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they think
>is right.
>
>And good luck to you, Keith.
>
>RC

Date: 20 Apr 2001 03:21:43 -0000
Message-ID: <20010420032143.12939.qmail@nym.alias.net>
From: Reality Check <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Author-Address: reality_check <AT> nym <DOT> alias <DOT> net Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net
On 19 Apr 2001, zinjifar@i.am wrote:

>In article <20010419224134.12966.qmail@nym.alias.net>,
>Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
>>
>>On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:
>>
><snip>
>
>>This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for
>>writing it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support.
>>Same goes for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles
>>with OSA. This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to
>>get into if it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it
>>can't, even with OSA.
>>
>>Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court
>>case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete
>>and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted
>>about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything
>>the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal
>>grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower
>>and farting loudly.
>
>And this is complete and utter bullshit considering the nature of the case.
The nature of the case? What case? There *is* no case.

But there's Keith. Broke, not working, having to ask for money and looking at a remote possibility of jail time.

Now how do you think that happened, Zinj? Guess Keith had nothing at all to do with it, right?

>It's one thing to say that posting copyrighted info that may involve you
>in a civil suit is 'asking for it'.
>
>It's another very different thing that I can't let go by uncommented to
>say that by posting completely non-violent comments to obviously
>ludicrous original posts, one is 'asking for it'; 'it' in this case being
>a criminal complaint for 'terrorist threats'.
>
>Sure you say that the case is complete and utter bullshit, but it rests
>completely on innocuous posts and peaceful picketing being considered
>'criminal'.
You're Keith Henson. You've got Keith Henson's track record with the CofS.

You're picketing in front of Davey Miscavige's front lawn, day after day.

And you know Dictator Davey doesn't like that at all. Nor would he want Tom--Cruise, not Padgett--to see you waving your picket sign one fine day, would he?

So you've got Davey's PI's trying to baby-sit you 24 hours a day. You've got his handlers attempting to entrap you, and taping everything they can.

You've got his Gavino Iddas collecting everything you post to the Net.

And you've got some of Davey's lawyers being paid to look and listen to everything that gets shoved their way. For what? For any excuse at all to have your ass hauled out of Davey's sight and into court.

So, if you're Keith Henson, then you make good and goddamned sure that even your farts can't be legally construed as threatening.

If you're Keith Henson and you can't manage that, then you get the hell out of Davey's yard while the getting is still good and find a less challenging environment to picket.

Do you know what "hubris" means, Zinj? If you do, maybe you should word-clear Keith on it.

>Shuddering into silence is the only 'safe' way in this case to 'stay out
>of trouble'.
>
>If the only way to play your 'safe' way is to make sure one is never
>threatened with a lawsuit or accused of a crime, however meritless, then
>we're reduced to clucking our tongues impotently.
>
>Sory for *my* rant, but your clueless disregard for social conscience
>raised my bile.
>
>Zinj
Zinj, don't twist what I write like OSA's lawyers are twisting what Keith wrote.

And spare me the sophist crap.

I didn't write what I did to get into an argument over the finer points of Keith's stupidity. I wrote because I'm sick and tired of Miscavige's hubris and of critics who feed it with their own.

Got it?

RC >>Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he
>>ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I don't.
>>
>>This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and
>>Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten
>>into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are
>>never heard of again.
>>
>>If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make
>>OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.
>>
>>A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case
>>against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to
>>get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and
>>a higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS?
>>They don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It
>>doesn't slow them down.
>>
>>And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and
>>another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing
>>he's their main man.
>>
>>The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS.
>>But it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.
>>
>>Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public
>>prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.
>>
>>Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo
>>fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money
>>from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it
>>still pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in
>>the new house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my
>>money to make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day.
>>Never happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with
>>Dennis.
>>
>>The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and
>>France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or
>>at least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to
>>cut his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.
>>
>>But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's
>>got at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything
>>in her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss,
>>he'd be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to
>>dead agent the crap they keep spewing about him.
>>
>>Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be
>>Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to
>>lose them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site
>>with information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers,
>>and who make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of
>>critics who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.
>>
>>It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to
>>inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This
>>monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA
>>bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)
>>
>>Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting
>>their asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the
>>ranting instinct in me. End rant.
>>
>>I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If
>>you can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
>>money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
>>point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they
>>think is right.
>>
>>And good luck to you, Keith.
>>
>>RC




































































Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
From: zinjifar@i.am (Zinj)
Organization: No Org
Message-ID: <3ae07d32.0@news2.lightlink.com>
Date: 20 Apr 2001 14:17:22 -0500
In article <20010420032143.12939.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] says...

>
>On 19 Apr 2001, zinjifar@i.am wrote:
>
>>In article <20010419224134.12966.qmail@nym.alias.net>,
>>Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
>>>
>>>On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for
>>>writing it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support.
>>>Same goes for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles
>>>with OSA. This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to
>>>get into if it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it
>>>can't, even with OSA.
>>>
>>>Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court
>>>case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete
>>>and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted
>>>about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything
>>>the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal
>>>grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower
>>>and farting loudly.
>>
>>And this is complete and utter bullshit considering the nature of the case.
>
>The nature of the case? What case? There *is* no case.
>
>But there's Keith. Broke, not working, having to ask for money and looking
>at a remote possibility of jail time.
>
>Now how do you think that happened, Zinj? Guess Keith had nothing at all
>to do with it, right?
This is a very familiar mantra. When you find yourself chanting it, you might find it illuminating to look at who's choir you're in.

Lots of people may dislike Keith's no doubt healthy ego. Its a practically universal affliction around here; you seem to have a touch of it yourself.

Nobody's asking you to cheerleader for Keith's 'grandstanding'. Considering the level of 'contempt of court' the Riverside DA seems to feel though, it's hard in retrospect to unilaterally accuse Keith of making a mockery of the legal system.

It may not be *wise* to taunt Happy Fun Cult, but how wise is it to operate by *their* groundrules? They've been pretty blatant here; criticize and be attacked. Be a nice little critic and hide safely and we'll smile benevolently and let you be while we get to go after somebody else.

All your arguments boil down to blaming the rape victim for wearing revealing clothing.

>
>>It's one thing to say that posting copyrighted info that may involve you
>>in a civil suit is 'asking for it'.
>>
>>It's another very different thing that I can't let go by uncommented to
>>say that by posting completely non-violent comments to obviously
>>ludicrous original posts, one is 'asking for it'; 'it' in this case being
>>a criminal complaint for 'terrorist threats'.
>>
>>Sure you say that the case is complete and utter bullshit, but it rests
>>completely on innocuous posts and peaceful picketing being considered
>>'criminal'.
>
>You're Keith Henson. You've got Keith Henson's track record with the CofS.
>You're picketing in front of Davey Miscavige's front lawn, day after day.
>And you know Dictator Davey doesn't like that at all. Nor would he want
>Tom--Cruise, not Padgett--to see you waving your picket sign one fine day,
>would he?
>
>So you've got Davey's PI's trying to baby-sit you 24 hours a day. You've
>got his handlers attempting to entrap you, and taping everything they can.
>You've got his Gavino Iddas collecting everything you post to the Net.
>
>And you've got some of Davey's lawyers being paid to look and listen to
>everything that gets shoved their way. For what? For any excuse at all to
>have your ass hauled out of Davey's sight and into court.
>
>So, if you're Keith Henson, then you make good and goddamned sure that even
>your farts can't be legally construed as threatening.
>
>If you're Keith Henson and you can't manage that, then you get the hell out
>of Davey's yard while the getting is still good and find a less challenging
>environment to picket.
>
Davey doesn't like people picketing at Gold, where he holes up playing 'Master of the Universe' to a captive audience. Too dangerous to picket Gold? Picket AOLA.

Ooops... Davey doesn't like you picketing *there* either. Matter of fact, Davey doesn't like you picketing at *all*.

I've never been in favor of solo pickets for the very simple reason that Scientology® lies by rote and it's silly to make it too easy for them. But even that isn't any kind of guarantee. Ever.

Davey doesn't want to just feel like the 'Master of the Universe' in Hemet;

he wants to be the Master of the Cleared Planet. Be nice. Be safe. Be quiet.

>Do you know what "hubris" means, Zinj? If you do, maybe you should
>word-clear Keith on it.
Word clear 'disingenuous claptrap'. If conscious it's intellectually dishonest. If not, it's delusional.

You can take the pristine position that Keith 'pulled it in' all you want.

It's your right to free speech. Thanks to people who worry less about playing it safe than demanding it for you too.

Zinj >
>>Shuddering into silence is the only 'safe' way in this case to 'stay out
>>of trouble'.
>>
>>If the only way to play your 'safe' way is to make sure one is never
>>threatened with a lawsuit or accused of a crime, however meritless, then
>>we're reduced to clucking our tongues impotently.
>>
>>Sory for *my* rant, but your clueless disregard for social conscience
>>raised my bile.
>>
>>Zinj
>
>Zinj, don't twist what I write like OSA's lawyers are twisting what Keith
>wrote.
>
>And spare me the sophist crap.
>
>I didn't write what I did to get into an argument over the finer points of
>Keith's stupidity. I wrote because I'm sick and tired of Miscavige's
>hubris and of critics who feed it with their own.
>
>Got it?
>
>RC
>
>>>Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he
>>>ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I
don't.

>>>
>>>This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and
>>>Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten
>>>into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are
>>>never heard of again.
>>>
>>>If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make
>>>OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.
>>>
>>>A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case
>>>against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to
>>>get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and
>>>a higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS?
>>>They don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It
>>>doesn't slow them down.
>>>
>>>And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and
>>>another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing
>>>he's their main man.
>>>
>>>The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS.
>>>But it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.
>>>
>>>Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public
>>>prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.
>>>
>>>Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo
>>>fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money
>>>from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it
>>>still pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in
>>>the new house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my
>>>money to make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day.
>>>Never happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with
>>>Dennis.
>>>
>>>The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and
>>>France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or
>>>at least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to
>>>cut his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.
>>>
>>>But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's
>>>got at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything
>>>in her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss,
>>>he'd be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to
>>>dead agent the crap they keep spewing about him.
>>>
>>>Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be
>>>Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to
>>>lose them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site
>>>with information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers,
>>>and who make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of
>>>critics who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.
>>>
>>>It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to
>>>inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This
>>>monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA
>>>bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)
>>>
>>>Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting
>>>their asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the
>>>ranting instinct in me. End rant.
>>>
>>>I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If
>>>you can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
>>>money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
>>>point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they
>>>think is right.
>>>
>>>And good luck to you, Keith.
>>>
>>>RC
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From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:46:48 -0400
Organization: ARS: Perhaps The Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet
Message-ID: <2g1vdt42nnh5gmdhd8m5hep4401r7akfr2@4ax.com>
On 19 Apr 2001 22:41:34 -0000, Reality Check <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

>I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If you
>can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
>money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
>point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they think
>is right.
>And good luck to you, Keith.
>RC
Don't forget that given the evidence against Keith, a loss in this case would essentially outlaw picketing and posting to Usenet. There is nothing in the Henson case presented as evidence that isn't standard garden-variety speech.

If they win this one, they will immediately expand it to apply it to other critics. It's a simple matter of self-defense to support this, unless you want to be the next one on the list.

Now maybe you don't care or you want to be the next on the list yourself.

Freedom of speech requires that it be exercised, and not just by millionaires.

If merely speaking out in protest of a cult is a guaranteed way to get prosecuted (if done effectively enough to hit the top of OSA's list), then that means, if anything, that even more criticism is in order.

Mollycoddling the cult or allowing this conduct to be rewarded by the courts is the true danger here, because we are *all* in the sights of the cult in one way or another, completely anonymous cowards excepted of course. (With no disrespect for the prudent, just full respect for the fact that openly criticizing this cult is reckless, foolhardy, and UTTERLY NECESSARY.)
Cash, Check or Money Order Keith Henson Box 60012 Palo Alto, CA 94306 Or to hkhenson@pacbell.net through http://www.paypal.com
ptsc From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB)
Date: 20 Apr 2001 05:23:03 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Message-ID: <20010420012303.20812.00000202@ng-fg1.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
>From: Reality Check Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]
>On 19 Apr 2001, jimdbb@aol.com wrote:
>
>>I very much admire and applaud the individual who is contributing $500 to
>Keith
>>Henson to help him with expenses. I wish that I could send the same amount.
>I
>>can't but I am sending something. You know, if every contributor and lurker
>on
>>this newsgroup woujld send just $1, Keith would have close to $100,000 for
>his
>>defense. This would give him a chance. Can we get everyone to send
>something?
>> Please! Keith has been on the front line and desparately needs help and
>>support. Those of you who communicate on other newsgroups and the net in
>>general please pass the word and Keith's address, which is:
>>
>>Keith Henson
>>Box 60012
>>Palo Alto, CA 94306
>>
>>Sten-Arne did us a great service by posting the complete IAS Patrons List (
>he
>>has posted half with the other half coming soon-USA). I"ve been looking
>over
>>this list and I had no idea that there were this many contributors to
>>Scientology's 'War Chest.' The War Chest money is used to silence critics
>and
>>former members. The amounts of these 'contributions' are staggering. When
>you
>>combine these with all of the money flowing in from the overpriced courses
>and
>>auditing it becomes very clear that Keith Henson doesn't have a chance.
>This
>>cult has unlimited funds to endlessly harass Henson into the grave. Graham
>>Berry doesn't have a chance. CAN didn't have a chance. Bob MInton maybe
>does
>>have a chance but they are pulling out all of the stops to get him.
>>
>>We must ensure that Henson has a chance. Please... we need to help these
>>people. Tom Padgett needs help and Graham Berry. Send what you can today
>for
>>Keith and what you can next month.
>>
>>Maybe somebody close to Henson can post who contributes...not amounts but
>who
>>so that we can sort out who is really involved and who isn't.
>>
>>If you live anywhere Hemet, please show upt for the trial and demonstrate
>your
>>support for Keith. And we should contact the District Attorney and find out
>
>>why they are pursuing this farcial case.
>>
>>JImDBB
>
>This is a very nice message, Jim, and I would like to thank you for writing
>it. But I also beg to differ. I think Keith deserves support. Same goes
>for Graham and Tom. But not to fight unnecessary legal battles with OSA.
>This is about the stupidest thing I can think of for anyone to get into if
>it can be avoided at all, and it's awfully rare that it can't, even with
>OSA.
>
>Keith went asking for this one. Just like he went asking for the court
>case that bankrupted him. True, this time around OSA's case is complete
>and utter bullshit. What isn't bullshit is what the OSA entity posted
>about critics playing right into their hands. If Keith learned anything
>the first time around, it wasn't that to keep his ass from becoming legal
>grass again, he should stop waving it in front of OSA's legal lawnmower and
>farting loudly.
>
>Maybe Keith thinks some of the grandstanding he does is worth the shit he
>ends up putting himself, his family and some of his friends through. I
>don't.
>
>This doesn't apply just to Keith. Other grandstanders include Graham and
>Tom. Likewise for Bob with some of the stupid legal shit he has gotten
>into. Likewise Larry and FACTNet. Likewise quite a few others that are
>never heard of again.
>
>If somebody wants to blow their time and money and peace of mind to make
>OSA's lawyers richer, go right ahead. Count me out.
>
>A person normally has next to nothing to gain even if they do win a case
>against CofS. Money? If you ever get any, was it worth what it cost to
>get it? Fame? Yeah right, your name in the limelight for a few days and a
>higher SP number for your posts to a.r.s. Legal points against CofS? They
>don't care if you score legal points. It doesn't stop them. It doesn't
>slow them down.
>
>And if you lose in any way shape or form, you give Miscavige a woody and
>another *big win* he can use to keep duping Scientologists into believing
>he's their main man.
>
>The one thing these legal cases do get is more bad publicity for CofS. But
>it's the stupidest, most expensive and most painful way to get it.
>
>Legal battles should be left up to government agencies and public
>prosecutors; Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Russia.
>
>Every now and then somebody gets lucky. Dennis Erlich. But he had MoFo
>fighting his case for nothing. Didn't stop Dennis from asking for money
>from critics and he got some from many of us, including me. Well, it still
>pisses me off when I think of him shuddered into cozy silence in the new
>house he bought in Palm Springs. I'm not going to give Keith my money to
>make it any easier for him to become Dennis' neighbor some day. Never
>happen? Probably not. But I was *sure* it would never happen with Dennis.
>
>The one smart legal move I've seen lately is Bob suing in Germany and
>France. Open and shut cases or at least very strong ones. Friendly or at
>least neutral territory. One win so far. And he's in a position to cut
>his losses and forget about it if doesn't go his way in France.
>
>But Bob is in a unique position. Miscavige is throwing everything he's got
>at him, and he's not going to stop. Stacy didn't exaggerate anything in
>her last post. So when Bob gets a chance to give them a legal loss, he'd
>be a fool not to take it. And now he has the legal win to use to dead
>agent the crap they keep spewing about him.
>
>Vaughn Young got it absolutely right when he said the Net was going to be
>Scientology's Vietnam. It's the many little battles that are going to lose
>them their war. It's the "little" guy or gal who puts up a web site with
>information on it. It's the folks who picket and hand out fliers, and who
>make damned sure they *don't* get arrested. It's the hundreds of critics
>who might do nothing more than post and keep things lively here.
>
>It is not the grandstanders or the "heroes" who think they're going to
>inflict a mortal blow. There isn't going to be a mortal blow. This
>monster is going to go down by the blood lost from a thousand cuts. (OSA
>bots and lawyers, that was a metaphor.)
>
>Sorry I ended up on a rant. People old enough to know better getting their
>asses into emergencies and then asking me for money brings out the ranting
>instinct in me. End rant.
>
>I think it's a great idea to give Keith moral support at the trial. If you
>can, go there. If anyone agrees with me but wants to send Keith some
>money, please go right ahead. I almost sent some myself yesterday. The
>point I'm making isn't that people not support Keith in any way they think
>is right.
>
>And good luck to you, Keith.
>
>RC
You know, RC, there is a great deal of truth in what you have written and you have articulated it very well. I don't agree with some of the things that Keith has done but the reality is that he has created a hell of a commotion and this is something the cult especially does not like. They have gotten themselves into a farcial public spectacle out there and can only bring unwanted attention to them.

I'm sending Keith a 'gift' right now.

JImDBB

From: ted@ibexbsc.com
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:41:02 -0700
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
Message-ID: <6ctvdtg2pmoiu4kgkvcnq42jptvqi0d7iu@4ax.com>
In <3adf0af1.12771032@news2.lightlink.com>, heffer@scientologylies.com (Heffer) wrote:

... snipt ...

>I am delaying the posting of this note until it is too late for it to
>affect anything in the court. My lawyer has come to the extremely
>odd place for a defense lawyer where he may not always agree with me,
>but he understands and backs me up on the larger scale concern that
>drives me in ways that are not obviously, and merely in my personal
>selfish interest. The DA made an offer today to reduce the charge to
>almost nothing, and, again, I turned the offer down flat. He should
>not be surprised. Some time ago he described me to my face as a
>person of integrity. With that kind of a reputation to uphold, how
>could he expect me to take a plea bargain?
And what would the plea be, anyway? Guilty of being in the vicinity of total fucking morons? It happens to other people all over the United States, every day of the week. The Hemet area has got be the Moron Capital of the wold. Has anyone alerted Guiness?

-- Ted (ted@ibexbsc.com) From: H. Keith Henson <hkhenson@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:00:05 -0700
Organization: none
Message-ID: <aq00etgnr3pcsmsd8d976ot5av0l46pd5u@4ax.com>
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:44:20 -0700, "John C. Randolph"

<jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:

>ptsc wrote:
>
>> They know their case is weak, and they have shown the first sign of weakness.
>
>I think that describing their case as "weak" rather misses the mark.
>Try "Fucking Asinine."
I may be wrong, but I am entirely convinced that the DA *never* expected to have to try this turkey, and my lawyer has come around to the same view.

Say what?

Moxon, Paquette and one or more of the Hemet DA's (Schwarz's boss Tom Gage who signed the complaint would be my prime suspect) conspired to set me up to be arrested on failure a to appear charge. This is a violation of Section 182 of the Penal code. To do this they set up a video taped deposition and when they had a firm date for the deposition, filed this amazingly weak case against me so the arraignment date would hit while I was in a deposition.

Then, they put information I can *prove* to be false in the court's computer records, namely the notice that my status was "release with letter to appear." This is a violation of Section 132 of the Penal code. The letter, defendants copy of the complaint, was not given to me or mailed in spite of a "statement under oath" that it had been put into the court's records. This copy had been left in the case file and was handed to me by Deputy Borner on September 15, 2000 when I unexpectedly showed up in court that morning.

They expected me to plead out on failure to appear charges after being held overnight in another county and transported to Riverside in handcuffs. The CoS lawyers, particularly Helena Kobrin screwed up thinking I knew about the arraignment and accidentally gave me notice.

At that point the scheme went off the rails and poor Robert Schwarz was left with trying to prosecute a bogus case they never expected to try.

Keith Henson
Message-ID: <3AE01137.B2CF3372@this.phrase.idiom.com>
From: "John C. Randolph" <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com>
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Organization: http://www.idiom.com
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:49:57 -0700


"H. Keith Henson" wrote:

>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:44:20 -0700, "John C. Randolph"
> <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:
>
> >ptsc wrote:
> >
> >> They know their case is weak, and they have shown the first sign of weakness.
> >
> >I think that describing their case as "weak" rather misses the mark.
> >Try "Fucking Asinine."
>
> I may be wrong, but I am entirely convinced that the DA *never*
> expected to have to try this turkey, and my lawyer has come around to
> the same view.
>
> Say what?
>
> Moxon, Paquette and one or more of the Hemet DA's (Schwarz's boss Tom
> Gage who signed the complaint would be my prime suspect) conspired to
> set me up to be arrested on failure a to appear charge. This is a
> violation of Section 182 of the Penal code. To do this they set up a
> video taped deposition and when they had a firm date for the
> deposition, filed this amazingly weak case against me so the
> arraignment date would hit while I was in a deposition.
>
> Then, they put information I can *prove* to be false in the court's
> computer records, namely the notice that my status was "release with
> letter to appear." This is a violation of Section 132 of the Penal
> code. The letter, defendants copy of the complaint, was not given to
> me or mailed in spite of a "statement under oath" that it had been put
> into the court's records. This copy had been left in the case file
> and was handed to me by Deputy Borner on September 15, 2000 when I
> unexpectedly showed up in court that morning.
>
> They expected me to plead out on failure to appear charges after being
> held overnight in another county and transported to Riverside in
> handcuffs. The CoS lawyers, particularly Helena Kobrin screwed up
> thinking I knew about the arraignment and accidentally gave me notice.
> At that point the scheme went off the rails and poor Robert Schwarz
> was left with trying to prosecute a bogus case they never expected to
> try.
>
> Keith Henson
Keith, I know that you are one of the most patient and compassionate people I've ever had the good fortune to meet, but frankly, I hope that once this case is laughed out of court you persue legal action to get Schwarz, Gage, and anyone else in the Hemet DA's office who's culpable in this travesty not only bounced out of office, but disbarred.

I wonder if Schwarz even knows who Paulette Cooper is? If he succeeds in railroading you this time around, he'll sure as hell learn all about Cooper, Klemesrud, and every other case where the clams have tried to manufacture a crime to silence a critic. If there's even a shred of decency left in the man, he'll be too goddamned ashamed to show his face before an appeals court.

Justice demands that these idiots get kneecapped by a jury, and bounced out of the legal profession by their peers. Come to think of it, why don't you sue them personally for violating your civil rights, and ask for damages of $75K ;-) One of the things a DA is *supposed* to do, is keep an eye out for the taxpayer's interest in not trying cases that are patently absurd.

Is the DA an elected office in Riverside?

-jcr From: fanjet@iinet.com.au (Steve Zadarnowski)
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:37:03 GMT
Organization: ARSCC-AU
Message-ID: <3ae04825.11744637@news.m.iinet.net.au>
"John C. Randolph" <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:

>Justice demands that these idiots get kneecapped by a jury, and bounced
>out of the legal profession by their peers. Come to think of it, why
>don't you sue them personally for violating your civil rights, and ask
>for damages of $75K ;-)
Try $75M. This is serious stuff.

>One of the things a DA is *supposed* to do, is keep an eye out for the
>taxpayer's interest in not trying cases that are patently absurd.
Where Scientology is involved, always expect the unexpected, it seems. People do stupid things under pressure, and Scientology can exert some serious pressure by expending a million dollars to set things up. A few dozen Scientologists, a few PIs, a few months, lots of briefing sessions at OSA central, a lot of PR work, police, lawyers etc.

This is big stuff, $75M against the city and $750M against the cult.

S --- "If it smells like a$$, its $cientology!"

"Just bum data, bum data, bum data, bum data, alter-is, alter-is, bum data." - LRH, SHSBC ** Let's have a Clambake! http://www.xenu.net !! Watch out for those A$$H0L&s - they BITE!

From: ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange)
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:58:33 GMT
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:49:57 -0700, "John C. Randolph"

<jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:

> "H. Keith Henson" wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:44:20 -0700, "John C. Randolph"
> > <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >ptsc wrote:
> > >
> > >> They know their case is weak, and they have shown the first sign of weakness.
> > >
> > >I think that describing their case as "weak" rather misses the mark.
> > >Try "Fucking Asinine."
> >
> > I may be wrong, but I am entirely convinced that the DA *never*
> > expected to have to try this turkey, and my lawyer has come around to
> > the same view.
> >
> > Say what?
> >
> > Moxon, Paquette and one or more of the Hemet DA's (Schwarz's boss Tom
> > Gage who signed the complaint would be my prime suspect) conspired to
> > set me up to be arrested on failure a to appear charge. This is a
> > violation of Section 182 of the Penal code. To do this they set up a
> > video taped deposition and when they had a firm date for the
> > deposition, filed this amazingly weak case against me so the
> > arraignment date would hit while I was in a deposition.
> >
> > Then, they put information I can *prove* to be false in the court's
> > computer records, namely the notice that my status was "release with
> > letter to appear." This is a violation of Section 132 of the Penal
> > code. The letter, defendants copy of the complaint, was not given to
> > me or mailed in spite of a "statement under oath" that it had been put
> > into the court's records. This copy had been left in the case file
> > and was handed to me by Deputy Borner on September 15, 2000 when I
> > unexpectedly showed up in court that morning.
> >
> > They expected me to plead out on failure to appear charges after being
> > held overnight in another county and transported to Riverside in
> > handcuffs. The CoS lawyers, particularly Helena Kobrin screwed up
> > thinking I knew about the arraignment and accidentally gave me notice.
> > At that point the scheme went off the rails and poor Robert Schwarz
> > was left with trying to prosecute a bogus case they never expected to
> > try.
> >
> > Keith Henson
> Keith,
>
> I know that you are one of the most patient and compassionate people
> I've ever had the good fortune to meet, but frankly, I hope that once
> this case is laughed out of court you persue legal action to get
> Schwarz, Gage, and anyone else in the Hemet DA's office who's culpable
> in this travesty not only bounced out of office, but disbarred.
>
> I wonder if Schwarz even knows who Paulette Cooper is? If he succeeds
> in railroading you this time around, he'll sure as hell learn all about
> Cooper, Klemesrud, and every other case where the clams have tried to
> manufacture a crime to silence a critic. If there's even a shred of
> decency left in the man, he'll be too goddamned ashamed to show his face
> before an appeals court.
>
> Justice demands that these idiots get kneecapped by a jury, and bounced
> out of the legal profession by their peers. Come to think of it, why
> don't you sue them personally for violating your civil rights, and ask
> for damages of $75K ;-)
Crimes by the state such as was committed against Keith, if successful, have often resulted in millions of dollars in puntative damages paid to the victim by the state. Since the crime against Keith mostly failed, punative damages would be less. HOWEVER, those responsible for framing Keith for "failure to appear" should be liable for half the fine and jail time Keith would have faced if the frame-up had been successful.

> One of the things a DA is *supposed* to do, is keep an eye out for the
> taxpayer's interest in not trying cases that are patently absurd.
>
> Is the DA an elected office in Riverside?
>
> -jcr
Message-ID: <3AE0A56D.9CA7DD96@bc.cc.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:09:01 -0700
From: Chris Leithiser <cleithis@bc.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Organization: Lightlink Internet
"John C. Randolph" wrote:

> You know, it might rattle him a bit, if you said: "Hey, if I cop a plea,
> how am I going to get you disbarred for this farce?"
>
> -jcr
The time for _that_ is after the judge accepts the jury's verdict, not before. Be sensible, now. This isn't in the bag yet.

There should be plenty of time to go after the names you've collected so far, after an acquittal. Just like within the cult itself, the upper management will be protected only if the lower levels don't cop a plea themselves. Henson has already collected some of the names he'll need for the state's investigation, even before nameplates started ducking for cover.

From: tinmimus99@hotmail.com (mimus)
Subject: Re: HENSON REPORT - 18th April 2001 - Report from the Hemet front
Organization: League Against Red-Headed Con-Men
Message-ID: <3ae0dbf0.29931392@news.zoomnet.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:02:08 GMT
ted@ibexbsc.com wrote:

>In <3adf0af1.12771032@news2.lightlink.com>, heffer@scientologylies.com
>(Heffer) wrote:
>
> ... snipt ...
>>I am delaying the posting of this note until it is too late for it to
>>affect anything in the court. My lawyer has come to the extremely
>>odd place for a defense lawyer where he may not always agree with me,
>>but he understands and backs me up on the larger scale concern that
>>drives me in ways that are not obviously, and merely in my personal
>>selfish interest. The DA made an offer today to reduce the charge to
>>almost nothing, and, again, I turned the offer down flat. He should
>>not be surprised. Some time ago he described me to my face as a
>>person of integrity. With that kind of a reputation to uphold, how
>>could he expect me to take a plea bargain?
>
>And what would the plea be, anyway? Guilty of being in the vicinity of
>total fucking morons? It happens to other people all over the United
>States, every day of the week. The Hemet area has got be the Moron
>Capital of the wold. Has anyone alerted Guiness?
Aw, now, c'mon, that's where all the smart ones are:

Look at Clearwater and Toronto.

-- tinmimus99@hotmail.com I saw many people reduced to incoherent babbling, stripping off clothes, crawling around on the ground, banging heads, limbs and other body parts against furniture and walls, barking, losing all sense of one's identity and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.

--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists posting on the Internet every few days, we'll just run the SP's right off the system.

It will be quite simple, actually.

--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996) Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD From: ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange)
Subject: Henson / DA plea bargain
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:21 GMT
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If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.

Message-ID: <3AE01775.F35E951F@this.phrase.idiom.com>
From: "John C. Randolph" <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com>
Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
Organization: http://www.idiom.com
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:04:58 -0700


Norm Grange wrote:

>
> If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
> actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
> blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
> incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
Not neccessarily. It's possible that even the clams realize that they botched this, and are grasping at any straw they can.

-jcr From: seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner)
Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:40:53 GMT
Organization: KoX, Friends of Dennis Erlich Club
Message-ID: <3ae01f2d.33355500@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
X-Server-Date: 20 Apr 2001 11:45:24 GMT On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:04:58 -0700, in message <3AE01775.F35E951F@this.phrase.idiom.com>, "John C. Randolph"

<jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:

I'd guess it's all part of a long term game plan ..

If they can get a criminal conviction, even under a plea bargain, they can call him a criminal, and use it against him in every encounter between them in the future. Given the weakness of their case, they're probably concerned that they can get a conviction at trial (although it seems like just about anything can happen when you get weak and/or incompetent judges and attornies), and various agents provocateur actively stirring the pot and confusing the situation.

>
>Norm Grange wrote:
>>
>> If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
>> actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
>> blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
>> incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
>
>Not neccessarily. It's possible that even the clams realize that they
>botched this, and are grasping at any straw they can.
>
>-jcr
-- seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner) Eppur si muove - Galilei From: frice@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:17:29 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <te1s99pavg0rf2@corp.supernews.com>
seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner) wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:04:58 -0700, in message
><3AE01775.F35E951F@this.phrase.idiom.com>, "John C. Randolph"
><jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com> wrote:
>I'd guess it's all part of a long term game plan ..
>If they can get a criminal conviction, even under a plea bargain,
>they can call him a criminal, and use it against him in every
>encounter between them in the future. Given the weakness
>of their case, they're probably concerned that they can
>get a conviction at trial (although it seems like just about
>anything can happen when you get weak and/or incompetent
>judges and attornies), and various agents provocateur
>actively stirring the pot and confusing the situation.
One also has to consider the corruption investigation of the Riverside DA's office that is either currently underway or is scheduled to begin some time this summer. The failure to file criminal charges in the Ashlee Shaner homicide and the lack of criminal charges in the alleged blackmailing of Ashlee's mother are bound to be part of that corruption investigation.

>>Norm Grange wrote:
>>>
>>> If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
>>> actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
>>> blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
>>> incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
>>
>>Not neccessarily. It's possible that even the clams realize that they
>>botched this, and are grasping at any straw they can.
>>
>>-jcr
>-- seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner)
>Eppur si muove - Galilei
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Norm Grange <ngrange@netscope.net> wrote:

>If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
>actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
>blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
>incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
No -- the cult treats unsupported accusations as criminal convictions when it suits them; any guilty plea or verdict would just give them more ammunition.

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Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:54:41 -0400
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For the whole truth: http://www.xenu.net The addy of Norm Grange <ngrange@netscope.net>, In article ID <3adff8c2.41317402@localhost>, On or about Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:21 GMT, In the group <alt.religion.scientology> that it was read from
Norm Grange says...

>If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
>actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
>blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
>incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.

I think that it is always over-kill to suggest, like many have, that the DA is being bought by Scn'gy in some fashion. There's no evidence for that. But it is quite peculiar that any such charge could be brought against another in a court of law. Does it not?

A lot of the things said on ARS in this regard have to do with the "referee is not on my side" mentality. In many instances they are right, but not for reasons other than Scn'gy has the wherewithal to hire guns like Abelson to put a great deal of pressure on prosecutions in these situations. It's a normal circumstance under abnormal duress.

The problem with our system is we don't have a remedy, as of yet, to distance the prosecution from people who claim they were victimized, thereby pressuring the DA to commit to prosecutions that are illegitimate. As a matter of fact it may be unconstitutional to limit such things. In 99.9999% of the time it's for legitimate reasons.

The wealthy have always afforded more means than the average man. Why should this situation be any different?

The main problem is that the system is really screwed. The prosecution thinks in terms of convictions and non-convictions. With that there is the ability of the defendant to pay for legal counsel.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:02:12 -0700
From: j6d@nonspammable.com
Organization: totally disorganized
Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
LronsScam wrote:

> The addy of Norm Grange <ngrange@netscope.net>,
> In article ID <3adff8c2.41317402@localhost>,
> On or about Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:21 GMT,
> In the group <alt.religion.scientology> that it was read from
>
>
> Norm Grange says...
>
> >If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
> >actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
> >blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
> >incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
>
> I think that it is always over-kill to suggest, like many have, that the DA
> is being bought by Scn'gy in some fashion. There's no evidence for that. But
> it is quite peculiar that any such charge could be brought against another in
> a court of law. Does it not?
Ummmm ... I thought this DA participated directly in a plot to get Keith falsely arrested on a court "no-show" charge ???

Is there another DA involved with this case?

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From: "John C. Randolph" <jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com>
Subject: Re: Henson / DA plea bargain
Organization: http://www.idiom.com
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:23:04 -0700


Keith wrote:

>
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:21 GMT, ngrange@netscope.net (Norm Grange) wrote:
>
> >If the report of the attempt to get Henson to plea bargain
> >actually happened, that suggests that the DA is ~NOT~ being
> >blackmailed by organized crime. Therefore the DA is merely
> >incompetent, and not being forced to prosecute such a bogus case.
>
> Norm,
>
> The reason Keith Henson is being prosecuted is because the guy
> is basically stupid.
Rumbunny, Kieth Henson is one of the smartest people I know, and I don't hang out with the guests of the Jerry Springer show. Take a look at his patents sometime, or just meet him.

He's being prosecuted because a criminal nut-cult has a lot of money to spend on trying to shut him up, and he has the integrity and the courage not to back down when he's right.

You, on the other hand, are a snotty little troll with nothing better to do than beg for attention by attacking the reputation of a far better man than yourself.

-jcr From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>
Subject: Re: On $500 for Keith Henson
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:25:54 -0400
Organization: ARS: Perhaps The Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet
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On 20 Apr 2001 22:52:47 -0000, Reality Check <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

>>On 19 Apr 2001 22:41:34 -0000, Reality Check
>><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>Mollycoddling the cult or allowing this conduct to be rewarded by the
>>courts is the true danger here, because we are *all* in the sights of the
>>cult in one way or another, completely anonymous cowards excepted of
>>course. (With no disrespect for the prudent, just full respect for the
>>fact that openly criticizing this cult is reckless, foolhardy, and UTTERLY
>>NECESSARY.)
>"completely anonymous cowards excepted of course." Nice touch of
>hypocrisy, Grady. And here's my take on the rest of what you've written.
>This is a Grady Ward crock of shit from beginning to end. Which shouldn't
>surprise anybody because you and Keith are birds of a feather. Both of you
>refer to Miscavige as (*) but it's the two of you who have gotten your
>asses busted wide open by his lawyers.
You need to call your bank. Your "Reality Check" just came back NSF.

By your pathetic excuse for reasoning, Jon Atack should also have never written A Piece of Blue Sky since that resulted in a libel judgment against him and his bankruptcy, a legal fiasco, although it represented the loss of most parts of the libel claim against him. Scientology has twenty million a year slated for litigation. They will sue *someone* with that money. I personally prefer to assist those sued in any way I can. You prefer to do nothing. Fine.

Anyone who prefers a more proactive stance can Send Cash, Check or Money Order Keith Henson Box 60012 Palo Alto, CA 94306 Or to hkhenson@pacbell.net through http://www.paypal.com Even better, picket Gold Base at Hemet. I personally wouldn't advise doing it alone, but what the hell. If you announce your intent through a replyable email address, you will probably receive a response concerning the next planned picket, though I do not know whether there are any announced pickets.

Since your response is predicated on your bizarre delusions that I am Grady Ward, it is not worthy of further response.

ptsc

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