Subject: GAYS IN SCIENTOLOGY
Message-ID: <9408061113.0FRJ400@support.com>
From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 94 11:13:18 -0700
Organization: Los Angeles Valley College BBS (818)985-7150
August 6, 1994
Tony has brought to light an interesting and timely fact.
He believes I am casting aspersions on poor, Quentin (the second of his sons to renounce Hubbard's "tech") by discussing Q's sexual preferences, if any.
Hubbard claimed, in Science of Survival, to be able to CURE people of the mental aberrations [ENGRAMS] that cause homosexuality.
Homosexuals were placed at 1.1 on his Tone Scale.
This corresponds with covert and criminal behavior.
Gays are routed to ethics before auditing, per the Illegal PC Bulletin, and ordered to stop engaging in that activity during their auditing.
I have see Hubbard's hand-written notes about gays in various auditing folders at Flag.
They are not very complementary.
But, hey, the scieno program seems to have worked in Ravolta's case.
It was probably just a confused BT, thinking those darn thoughts.
Who knows, maybe they can cure "superstar" of pedophilia, too.
Anyway, why are they making a big deal about Quentin being gay?
Because the scienos think it shows how the Fat Guy's tech failed on his own son.
So many contradictions. So few replies.
Dennis L Erlich
Subject: Re: GAYS IN SCIENTOLOGY
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From: av282@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin G. V. Hunt)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 06:42:41 GMT
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
In a previous article, dennis.l.erlich@support.com () says:
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>August 6, 1994
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>Tony has brought to light an interesting and timely fact.
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>He believes I am casting aspersions on poor, Quentin (the second of his sons
>to renounce Hubbard's "tech") by discussing Q's sexual preferences, if any.
>
>Hubbard claimed, in Science of Survival, to be able to CURE people
>of the mental aberrations [ENGRAMS] that cause homosexuality.
>
>Homosexuals were placed at 1.1 on his Tone Scale.
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>This corresponds with covert and criminal behavior.
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>Gays are routed to ethics before auditing, per the Illegal PC Bulletin,
>and ordered to stop engaging in that activity during their auditing.
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>I have see Hubbard's hand-written notes about gays in various auditing
>folders at Flag.
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>They are not very complementary.
good points. a cultie a while back claimed that homosexuality was accepted in the cult, but this is a bald faced lie.
hcopl 9 july 1980 r 20 oct 1985 ethics, justice and the dynamics: "it must be noted however that promiscuity, perversion, sadism, free love, homosexuality and other irregular practices fall far below an acceptable level of ethics." equating gays with perversion and sadism...it's not that legitimate religions don't do the same, it's just that the cult pretends that homosexuality is allowed within its compass, while many a sec check list denies this and puts the lie to the cult yet again.
>But, hey, the scieno program seems to have worked in Ravolta's case.
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>It was probably just a confused BT, thinking those darn thoughts.
>
>Who knows, maybe they can cure "superstar" of pedophilia, too.
>
>Anyway, why are they making a big deal about Quentin being gay?
>
>Because the scienos think it shows how the Fat Guy's tech failed
>on his own son.
>
>So many contradictions. So few replies.
>
>Dennis L Erlich
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>
-- Cogito, ergo sum. Martin Hunt, av282@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: GAYS IN SCIENTOLOGY
Message-ID: <9408101728.0OK2901@support.com>
From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 17:28:49 -0700
Organization: Los Angeles Valley College BBS (818)985-7150
N>From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) > >Subject: Re: GAYS IN SCIENTOLOGY >Date: 9 Aug 1994 17:34:47 -0400 >Organization: University of Maryland University College
N>Dennis L Erlich: >. Hubbard claimed, in Science of Survival, to be able to CURE people >. of the mental aberrations [ENGRAMS] that cause homosexuality. >. >. Homosexuals were placed at 1.1 on his Tone Scale. >. >. This corresponds with covert and criminal behavior.
N>So was most of society (women in particular -- men were described a >little less subtle but otherwise just as bad). I imagine Hubbard >claimed to be able to cure people of the mental abberations that >cause them to stay alive -- though I doubt he recommended this.
Huh?
N>I dunno, I've met enough blatantly hostile people that I wouldn't have >trouble accepting such a large-scale generalization as having an >element of truth.
I'm sure you wouldn't.
N>The point I think he was making is that people need to make choices >for themselves and not do things "because they had to do it".
Raul,
So, according to you, gays can go on practicing their various forms of love-making and affections with each other openely in scientology?
Is that what you're telling us?
They don't have to go to ethics and promise to stop such activities while getting audited.
They have a choice?
Think up better half-truths, Raul. You're about to step over the line.
Dennis L Erlich
ps. Are you a lawyer?
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