Way Back Machine Thwarts $CN Deletes of Hubbard, the War Hero?????

Way Back Machine Thwarts $CN Deletes of Hubbard, the War Hero????? Scientology

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KZK
Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Posts: 10
Posted: 10 Aug 2005 00:08=A0=A0 =A0

Quote:

"Do you know of an archived web page that shows Scientology making the blindness claims and the claims about medals being awarded?"

I'm not Don Carlo (obviously), but I went searching. As others have noted, there is a very conspicuous absence of any claims about Elron's naval career. He's still the philosopher/humanitarian/poet/musician/etc/etc/etc, but everything related to the war seems to have disappeared, beyond a brief (yet false) claim about his service (including that he was well-respected).

But, by googling "ron hubbard navy," I found one (on the second page of results ). http://www.theta.com/goodman/lrh.htm Note that the most recent date on this page is 2001. Theta.com in general and theta.com/goodman bear a date of 2005. I couldn't find a link other than Google's to the exact page. Which means they probably forgot it was there. Grab it now. Just in case....

Quote:

"By 1945, he had received 29 medals and palms, and had seen action in five theatres. He was also, by this point, adjudged partially blind from injured optic nerves and lame from hip and back injuries."

As for anything recent...if there is anything, it's pretty well buried. Someone's been deleting....

K'Z'K
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fred durks
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 70
Location: USA
Posted: 10 Aug 2005 02:13=A0=A0

K'Z'K

I had said this before about the Church of Scientology deleting the "War Hero" nonsense. I thought this was happening. I think it's funny that the Church of Scientology has waited this long on deleting this crap. It's only because a bill by congress that states they'll go to jail if they don't delete it are they doing this in the first place. I have been putting together and saving as much info as I can that is currently online promoting this BS.

Thanks for the http://www.theta.com/goodman/lrh.htm link.

If anyone has any links to current pages that promote L. Ron Hubbard as a war hero, please email me at

fred@stopscientology.com or on this board.

Thanks!

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annolian
Joined: 14 May 2005
Posts: 185
Location: usa
Posted: 10 Aug 2005 04:46=A0=A0 =A0

Yeah -- that's quite a chin he has going there!

I'm a fact and observation girl so I want to point out the following facts:

- Mary Sue was 20 years younger than Ron! (a fact that may have been common knowledge to others, but I just found out).

- The man on the right of Mary Sue in the picture is recognized by me as David McCarthy (also known as DMC). He had been in the Sea Org since nearly day 1 and was still there when I left in 2002. I heard he may have passed away since then? Anyway, the poor man suffered from several mental and physical problems that got worse and worse and worse as time went on (one of them being seizures caused supposedly [from what he told me] by fillings in his teeth with too much mercury in them). He was my junior in the early 90's for about a year.

- The man on the left was Willie One-Inch (just kidding!!). I have no idea who he is.

- I'm glad this whole subject is stirring up a lot of bad PR for LRH and Scientology. That's awesome. Show (especially him) for the liars that they are.

Gosh, remember sitting at briefings, tape plays, etc. and listening to LRH tape plays or watching "Source Briefings" and getting all teary-eyed as a Scientologist about what a hero Ron was and all that he went through. I specifically remember listening to the tape where he claims to have sunk 2 Japanese subs and his whole poetic description of the thing. To think it's all a load of crap!!!!!! What a scam!!!

Best,
Ann Marie
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17 years in, 2 and a half years out!
annolian@yahoo.com
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fred durks
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 70
Location: USA
Posted: 10 Aug 2005 08:54=A0=A0 =A0

I forgot about the Way Back Machine - They can never hide, no matter what they delete.........

This is from Nov 14, 1996 http://web.archive.org/web/19961114151754/http://www.scientology.org/Back to top

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<hr> Subject: Re: Way Back Machine Thwarts $CN Deletes of Hubbard, the War Hero?????
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
From: dst@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Message-ID: <42fa1601$1@news2.lightlink.com>
Date: 10 Aug 2005 10:58:09 -0400

Scientology's bogus claims about Hubbard's war years are preserved in many of their publications, such as the Scientology Handbook, 1994 edition, p. 785:

"With the advent of World War II, he entered the United States Navy as a lietenant (junior grade) and served as a commander of antisubmarine corvettes. Although highly decorated, he was deeply saddened by the inhumanity of that conflict..."

"Left partially blind and lame from injuries susteained during combat, he was diagnosed as permanently disabled by 1945 and hospitalized in Oakland, California."

Will they be reprinting their books with the bogus military claims deleted? That will be a fun thing to point out to current members!

-- Dave Touretzky: "It's Elron Elray, of the Galactic Space Patrol." http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen

<hr> From: WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
Subject: Re: Way Back Machine Thwarts $CN Deletes of Hubbard, the War Hero?????
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:45:34 -0500
Message-ID: <11fkeo82q6aeceb@corp.supernews.com>

Dave Touretzky wrote:

>
> Scientology's bogus claims about Hubbard's war years are preserved in
> many of their publications, such as the Scientology Handbook, 1994
> edition, p. 785:
>
> "With the advent of World War II, he entered the United States Navy
> as a lietenant (junior grade) and served as a commander of
> antisubmarine corvettes. Although highly decorated, he was deeply
> saddened by the inhumanity of that conflict..."
>
> "Left partially blind and lame from injuries susteained during
> combat, he was diagnosed as permanently disabled by 1945 and
> hospitalized in Oakland, California."
>
> Will they be reprinting their books with the bogus military claims
> deleted? That will be a fun thing to point out to current members!
>
> -- Dave Touretzky: "It's Elron Elray, of the Galactic Space Patrol."
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen

Ron the poet has many current claims, see his poem "War". http://www.ronthepoet.org/thewar1.htm

"Having entered the Second World War as a lieutenant (junior grade) in the United States Navy, L. Ron Hubbard spent the first months of 1942 as Senior Officer Present Ashore in Brisbane, Australia. His duties included counter-intelligence and the organization of relief for beleaguered American forces on Bataan. It was in this latter capacity that he eventually saw action on the island of Java, and only eluded capture through a daring escape on a raft. After fracturing an ankle in subsequent action, he was flown stateside (in the Secretary of the Navy?s plane no less) as the first American casualty returning from the Pacific Theater. After a short recuperative stint at the New York Cable Censor Office, he took command of an antisubmarine escort vessel with Atlantic convoys. Upon completion of seventy runs against enemy submarines, he received command of a submarine chaser in the Pacific, the sixty-man PC 815. It was aboard this vessel that he then engaged and destroyed two enemy submarines in action he would long regret:

?I, as a sailor, have sinned with the rest it is true. On the bottom of the North Pacific there probably lie two 2,000 ton Japanese submarines, worth perchance a score of million dollars to the enemy before my depth charges sunk them. Perhaps not less than three hundred enemy lives struggled wetly out to Soldier Heaven. But it is better not to dwell upon these things. They should be dedicated to DUTY and recorded in files which are seldom opened. But the small voice cries (that inevitable small voice) and wonders if among them any could paint or appreciate the india ink sketches of a bamboo tree wherein the strokes must go as the tree must grow.?

His poetry, written through equally reflective moments, expresses the same: ?For no nation ever bought glory / with agony, death and burned towns.? That much of it is bitter is appropriate, and all the more so when set at counterpoint to rhyme and predictable rhythms. Also included is a slightly later ?The Atom? in grim description of what the next war might bring."

Grab a copy before they have to yank it.

-- When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.

<hr> From: WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
Subject: Re: Way Back Machine Thwarts $CN Deletes of Hubbard, the War Hero?????
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:30:10 -0500
Message-ID: <11fkhbh3oob0597@corp.supernews.com>

Dave Touretzky wrote:

Hark! More online lies about Elrons heroic war record! Collect them all!

http://www.egnet.co.uk/halloffame/hubbard.htm

A summary of his life reads as follows: At the age of 13 years he became America's youngest Eagle Scout. At George Washington University Hubbard studied Engineering, Atomic and Molecular Physics. In 1933, Hubbard led the West Indies Mineralogical Expedition which completed the first mineralogical survey of Puerto Rico. Hubbard's first fiction publication was in 1934 and in the next six years he completed 138 novels and short stories plus he wrote extensively for Hollywood. In 1940 he was elected a member of the prestigious Explorers Club. In 1941 he was awarded Master of Sail license for "Any Ocean''.

During WWII, he took command of convoy escort vessels in the Atlantic and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ then submarine hunters in the Pacific. He received over 20 decorations ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ during his military career. He had been injured in the war and his earlier ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ discoveries helped him to cure his disabilities. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In 1947-1948 Hubbard served as a Special Police Officer with the L.A. Police Department which gave him the opportunity to study the criminal mind. This led to the development of Criminon, the prison inmate rehabilitation programme, which is in use in over 750 prisons and has the support of Judges, Parole Officers and other penal system professionals. In 1950, he published "Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health ", now the biggest selling self-help book of all time, with well over 17 million copies sold. Further research led him to the development of the Scientology religion. Hubbard's researches in the spiritual technology of the Scientology religion comprises over 500,000 pages, more than 3,000 recorded audio lectures and in excess of 100 films. As an author Hubbard has sold over 120 million copies of his works and is one of the greats of the Golden Age of science fiction. He was equally prolific as an author of western, adventure, romance and mystery. He developed a system of administration, which is used in over 35,000 companies world-wide He developed the techniques used by the Narconon drug rehab programme which has helped over 100,000 people to kick the habit in 37 residential centres across the globe. Hubbard developed a methodology of study, which is now in use by millions of school children in numerous countries with remarkable success.

-- When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.

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