roger gonnet wrote:

> Hubbard has declared in his most famous and most republished ever work, the
> policy "Keeping scientology working - giving birth a KSW series", that circa
> 2,5 % of the humanity were SPs.

Does Rick quote Hubbard correctly here:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien12.html [quote]

Furthermore, one of the central tenets of Scientology philosophy is that 20 percent of mankind is "suppressive," a Scientology term that seems to mean "evil" and "meanspirited." Of that 20 percent, Hubbard wrote, 2.5 percent are "truly dangerous." Such people, Hubbard wrote, "should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind... " [end quote]

That would mean that the numbers are not completely random, but that he just picked current knowledge at the time (like the Piltdown man, which turned out to be a mistake).

After WWII, Swank and Marchand did a study in 1946, Marshall published "Men Against fire" same year, which he might have read.

http://futurepositive.synearth.net/2005/02/28 [quote] Based on his post-combat interviews, Marshall concluded in his landmark book, Men Against Fire, that only 15 to 20% of the individual riflemen in World War II fired their weapons at an exposed enemy soldier. [...] Similarly, human sociopaths represent Swank and Marchand's 2% who did not become psychiatric casualties after months of continuous combat, since they were not disturbed by the requirement to kill. [end quote]

Oh look. the "stimulus-response" buzzword.

[quote] By 1946 the US Army had accepted Marshall's conclusions, and the Human Resources Research Office of the US Army subsequently pioneered a revolution in combat training that eventually replaced firing at bullseye targets with deeply ingrained "conditioning" using realistic, man-shaped, pop-up targets that fall when hit. Psychologists know that this kind of powerful "operant conditioning" is the only technique that will reliably influence the primitive, midbrain processing of a frightened human being, just as fire drills condition terrified school children to respond properly during a fire, and repetitious, "stimulus-response" conditioning in flight simulators enables frightened pilots to respond reflexively to emergency situations. [end quote]

/Bent

X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 70.70.44.129 From: Gerry Armstrong <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org>
Subject: Re: Why 2,5 % - two and half percents of SPs??
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Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 04:28:28 GMT
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 18:29:49 +0200, Bent Stigsen <ngars@thevoid.dk> wrote:

>Bent Stigsen wrote:
>> roger gonnet wrote:
>>
>>> Hubbard has declared in his most famous and most republished ever
>>> work, the policy "Keeping scientology working - giving birth a KSW
>>> series", that circa 2,5 % of the humanity were SPs.
>>
>>
>> Does Rick quote Hubbard correctly here:
>>
>> http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien12.html
>> [quote]
>> Furthermore, one of the central tenets of Scientology philosophy is that
>> 20 percent of mankind is "suppressive," a Scientology term that seems to
>> mean "evil" and "meanspirited." Of that 20 percent, Hubbard wrote, 2.5
>> percent are "truly dangerous." Such people, Hubbard wrote, "should not
>> have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind... "
>> [end quote]
>>
>> That would mean that the numbers are not completely random, but that he
>> just picked current knowledge at the time (like the Piltdown man, which
>> turned out to be a mistake).
>
>Minor correction. I dont want declared SP's to think I am implying
>that they are sociopaths, but just that Hubbard took actual
>information and mixed it into his "creation" *as if* it was based on
>reality.

Right. The "Suppressive Person" doctrine says that there are evil, destructive people in the world. Well no big breakthrough there because someone would have to live on another planet to not make that "technical" "discovery."

On just about everyone's devil-or-angel scale some of the evil, destructive people are more evil and destructive than others. In terms of greatest evil and destruction just about everyone ranks Hitler and Stalin and other mass murderers in the top couple, couple and a half percent.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with a sliding scale of evil, but much of wog society looks at evil that way, and certainly Scientology uses wog society's scales and standards in its SP doctrine. Hubbard and Scientology use history's mass killers as examples of the most evil and destructive beings on the planet, the "Suppressive Persons."

Hubbard's "tech" of "identification" of a certain small percentage of people as "truly insane," or qualitatively and quantitatively more evil and destructive than anyone within the remaining percentage, is not notably different from what the wog world has been doing from before Hubbard was pulling in prenatals. Certainly the arithmetic is not beyond any wog elementary schooler.

What makes the "Suppressive Person" doctrine "revolutionary" is the same thing that made the Nazis' Jewish doctrine "revolutionary." Hubbard's big "breakthrough" was his "discovery" that the people that he divined were opposing him, preventing him, and of course the whole world, from achieving his goals, were all members of this identically featured small class, 2 1/2 percent as his "research" showed him, comprising the most utterly evil and destructive wogs in the world.

Hitler had the big cognition that the members of the class opposing him and preventing him, and of course the whole world, from achieving his goals, were the Jews, who also, Hitler and his great minds reasoned, just "happened" to oppose Nazism, or something about its science, theories, doctrines, policies or practices.

In the SP doctrine, Hubbard presented his dictum that 2 1/2 percent of the planetary population opposed his science, theories, doctrines, policies or practices as "validation" of his "work." Scientologists "reason" that the most evil and destructive people oppose Scientology just because Hubbard's science, theories, doctrines, policies and practices *are* correct, in fact are the *only* science, theories, doctrines, policies or practices that are correct, and are specifically correct about how evil and destructive the people are who oppose Hubbard's science, theories, doctrines, policies and practices.

Another necessary part of Scientology's "Suppressive Person" doctrine is that SPs cannot be helped, and they can't help being SPs. An SP, in Hubbard's teachings, is far more permanently an SP than a Jew is being a Jew. Scientology teaches that a Jew next lifetime will come back as a Catholic or a heathen or a Mormom, and perhaps if he had been a really aware Jew, a millionaire at least, he could get himself born into a Scientology family. But an SP, Scientology teaches, is an SP forever because:

[Quote]

he's solving a present time problem which hasn't in actual fact existed for the last many trillenia in most cases, and yet he is taking the actions in present time which solve that problem.

[...]

the person is in a mad, howling situation of some yesteryear

[...]

He is fighting a battle he once fought and never stopped fighting. He is in an incident. Present time people are mistaken by him for past, long-gone enemies.

Therefore, he never really knows what he is fighting in present time, so just fights.

[End Quote]

SP's, Hubbard and Scientology state in their doctrine, get no case gain, nothing works, they can't be helped. http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/definitions.html#antisocial

SPs being born the way they are and without any hope of remediation or rehabilitation are clearly, by Scientology's own "scriptures," irreversibly handicapped. Scientology and Scientologists specifically target these handicapped people, knowing that by their own "tech" the handicapped SPs have been handicapped since before birth and can do nothing about their more than lifelong handicaps.

It is reasonable that Scientology and Scientologists would have a basic philosophy, policy and practice of injuring, robbing, tricking, lying to, suing, destroying and fair gaming handicapped people because cowardice is Scientology's "valuable" final product, and Scientologists are cowards on an OT scale. Why Scientology and Scientologists beastify handicapped people, of course, is to facilitate their murder. It would be almost impossible to dispose of hundreds of millions of handicapped people quietly and without sorrow if their images weren't first degraded to beast level as Hubbard and Miscavige order.

>
>/Bent
>
>> After WWII, Swank and Marchand did a study in 1946, Marshall published
>> "Men Against fire" same year, which he might have read.
>>
>> http://futurepositive.synearth.net/2005/02/28
>> [quote]
>> Based on his post-combat interviews, Marshall concluded in his landmark
>> book, Men Against Fire, that only 15 to 20% of the individual riflemen
>> in World War II fired their weapons at an exposed enemy soldier.
>> [...]
>> Similarly, human sociopaths represent Swank and Marchand's 2% who did
>> not become psychiatric casualties after months of continuous combat,
>> since they were not disturbed by the requirement to kill.
>> [end quote]
>>
>>
>> Oh look. the "stimulus-response" buzzword.
>>
>> [quote]
>> By 1946 the US Army had accepted Marshall's conclusions, and the Human
>> Resources Research Office of the US Army subsequently pioneered a
>> revolution in combat training that eventually replaced firing at
>> bullseye targets with deeply ingrained "conditioning" using realistic,
>> man-shaped, pop-up targets that fall when hit. Psychologists know that
>> this kind of powerful "operant conditioning" is the only technique that
>> will reliably influence the primitive, midbrain processing of a
>> frightened human being, just as fire drills condition terrified school
>> children to respond properly during a fire, and repetitious,
>> "stimulus-response" conditioning in flight simulators enables frightened
>> pilots to respond reflexively to emergency situations.
>> [end quote]
>>
>>
>> /Bent

Gerry Armstrong http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

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