OFF STAGE:

Andrew Bagley

May 12, 1992 * 9:55 p.m.

Telephone call:

JW (J. Wilson): Hello.

AB (Andrew Bagley): Miss Wilson?

JW: Yes.

AB: This is Andrew Bagley.

JW: Oh.....Hi.

AB: I haven't heard from you. Did you get all the information you wanted?

JW: Yes, I did.

AB: I see you've been writing some letters to the editor.

JW: Yes, I have.

AB: Well, you contacted me to have information sent to you.

JW: No, you contacted me offering to send it.

AB: Well, do you want any more information?

JW: No, I don't.

AB: O.K. Goodbye.

JW: Goodbye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My 24, 1992

Rev. Andrew Bagley 3619 Broadway Kansas City, Missouri 64111

Dear Rev. Bagley:

Re: Our correspondence and your telephone call of May 12.

I apologize for not properly thanking you, when you called me on May 12, for all the materials you sent me to prove the Church of Scientology's allegations about CAN National officers. I do appreciate your sending them and I have read all of them.

However, your giant packet did not accomplish what you intended. I made the right decision when I joined CAN in November, 1991. I did not find the church's proof very credible. Some of the many reasons why are listed below.

(1) The "religious" groups (except the National Council of Churches) are connected with Scientology and/or with other religious cults.

(2) None of the allegations prove anyone was anti-religious. Even if true, topless dancers, priests and/or psychiatrists can have a religion and still go sexually astray. However, "declarations" about incidents that happened 10-16 years ago, you must admit, are pretty farfetched. Besides the Church of Scientology has cried "wolf" too many times. Framing Paulette Cooper, accusing Russell Miller of murder and the mayor of Clearwater of a hit and run accident, hardly inclines one to believe any of scientology's allegations.

(3) In fact, the titles in "A Criminal Assault on Religious Freedom" are a thousand times more applicable to Hubbard and the Church of Scientology.

(4) CAN does not question beliefs. CAN is concerned about unethical methods used by groups (religious, business, psychotherapy, etc.) which use deception, hypnosis and mind control to recruit and keep people in the group.

(5) The great majority of CAN members are families of cult members, and ex-members, who are trying to get truthful information to the public and current cult members.

(6) All those deprogrammers were hired by family members who are trying to educate their loved ones about the true nature of their specific cult___said cult having told the cult member to "disconnect" from anyone who questions the church's (or group's) "truth".

Your Feb. 9 letter stated that "deprogramming" was "a misleading word to infer that a person has been programmed like a computer or robot, into something without that person's decision or determination", which would not be n easy thing to do. I understand that the purpose of Scientology "auditing" is to erase the "reactive" mind, allowing the "analytical" mind to flourish. According to David Miscavige on "Nightline", "the analytical mind is a perfect computer". Therefore, it would be easy for Scientology to program people like computers. (I, myself, am of the opinion that God gave us a reactive mind for a purpose - to warn one when danger is near).

I am sure you sincerely believe what our church tells you, but I also think you were programmed over 20 years ago and consider no "truths" except those that are true for you (your church's) and that the preceding dialogue has been a waste of my time, and I am sure you now realize that you would be wasting your time in sending me any more information. I know too much about the church of scientology to ever fall for any of its propaganda. However, I will read anything you wish to send. Surely, you agree that one's freedom of speech is just as important as one's freedom of religion.

Sincerely,

J. Wilson

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Subject: Re: The Letters War * NarCONon Chilocco
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Andrew Bagley

S cientologists T aking A ction for N on D iscrimination 28 May 1992 =A0 (Postmarked June 9, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= received June 11) Ms. J. Wilson xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx

Dear Ms. Wilson, Your letter of 24 May received. Thank you.

Thank you for taking the time to define all those terms. I actually intended, by sending the large packet to you, to evidence the enormous amount of press generated by the active deprogrammers in our midst. -That some of them have been prosecuted by law enforcement of our states. That more of them will be, should they continue these crimes.

We understand that family members and friends hire deprogrammers to commit these crimes. They are currently being arrested, indicted and prosecuted as well, for their part in the commission of crime. There is no excuse for their acts.

You have joined a group that encourages and condones the commission of crime. This can make you an accomplice to their acts. Would you enjoy a prison term?

You evidently know nothing of Dianetics or Scientology and have never read a single word of what it really is, or what it does in its workings. How do you feel about help?

You are mistaken about me having been brainwashed twenty years ago, as I am a veteran of the study since its inception in 1950. Actually, it has saved my life, as I had ruined it during the war of 1939-45. We advocate Total Freedom for all of Mankind and we practise it and enjoy it to the fullest and programming people into anything would be anathema to any of us. You tried to use the data in the packet against me. You are not capable of the trust needed to start or to maintain a two-way communication flow.

Sincerely,

Andrew Bagley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On left hand side of STAND stationary:

National Director: Rev. Andrew Bagley

Executive Advisor; Matthew Banch (?)

Chapter Presidents: Maureen O'Keefe Boston, MA

Greg Bashaw Chicago, IL

Izzy Chait Los Angeles, CA

Paul Dionne (?) New Haven, CT

Jean Ryan Phoenix, AZ

A......(?) Levine St. Louis, MO

National Headquarters 3619 Broadway Kansas City, MO 64111 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

June 14, 1992

Rev. Andrew Bagley S.T.A.N.D 3619 Broadway Kansas City, MO 64111

Dear Rev. Bagley,

Re: Your letter, dated May 29, postmarked June 9, received June 11

I can assure you, Rev. Bagley, that I have indulged in several of Hubbard's books, including "Dianetics" for which, according to L. Ron, Jr., Hubbard did no research, writing it in thirty days off the top of his head. "What he did, really, was take bits and pieces from other people and put them together in a blender--and out came Dianetics!" (L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. PENTHOUSE) I also am well aware of how Scientology "works" and what itt does to people.

Surely your comment about a "prison term" wasn't a threat! Age has certainly mellowed you. It wasn't nearly as effective as your threats once were.

I am glad we both agree, that further communication would be fruitless. Our ideas of truth, freedom, help and curses do appear to be diametrically opposite.

Sincerely,

J. Wilson

Enclosures:

"ESSAY ON DESTRUCTIVE CULTS" "THE SCANDAL OF SCIENTOLOGY", pages 155 & 156

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Subject: Re: The Letters War * NarCONon Chilocco
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:47:55 -0600
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Charles Bell

Off Stage

Charles Bell

July 17, 1992

Hand addressed "MEMBERSHIP NEWS" to "J. Wilson", return address: 2421 W. Pratt Blvd., Chicago, IL. 60648. This was postmarked Oklahoma City and the hand writing was that of Charles Bell. =A0 (MEMBERSHIP NEWS was a black propaganda newsletter (made to look somewhat similar to CAN News) mocked up by the Church of Scientology and sent to CAN members) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

July 27, 1992

Mr. Charles Bell 336 S. Osage Ponca City, Okla. 74601

Dear Mr. Bell,

Thank you for the bogus CAN "Membership News" which you sent to me from Oklahoma City on July 17. It's been very interesting to see, firsthand, the fraud, subterfuge, misrepresentation, deception and hypocrisy perpetrated by a counterfeit (front) group mocked up by the Church of Scientology. It's quite obvious that this is another one of Scientology's frame-ups to discredit and silence its critics.

It's also interesting that someone, presenting himself as a friend, who "had a run in with Scientology too", is sending me Scientology propaganda.

As I have told Rev. Bagley (who, in all probability, supplied you with my address and telephone number) I know too much about the Church of Scientology to fall for any of its propaganda. =A0 I always consider the "source" and check things out for myself. But please, continue sending any "evidence" you wish. I always find "anything" about (or mocked up by) Scientology interesting.

"Membership News', originated with the Church of Scientology who (in case you don't know) was recently found guilty in Canada for breach of trust for using a spy ring to steal documents from the government. This was probably the first time in Canadian history that a church was tried and convicted of crimes against the government. (See April, May and June Toronto newspapers. Check it out for yourselves.)

Scientologists are instructed to "never go past a word you don't understand". =A0 I have provided some "WOG" dictionary definitions. This is to lessen any "confusion" J. Johnson (or whoever wrote Johnson's letter), Rev. Bagley or you may be experiencing.

This is also to inform you that I am fully and solely responsible for any and all of my statements or actions concerning Narconon/Church of Scientology. The "cause", which, in the eye of a Scientologist, is so "sordid" is to wake Oklahomans up to the true facts and to motivate them to find out the real truth for themselves. =A0 Scientology proliferates by keeping its real agenda hidden and the people ignorant. This has absolutely nothing to do with religious beliefs. It's about illegal, immoral, unethical, deceptive, manipulative practices.

Sincerely,

J. Wilson

Definitions on page 2

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Subject: Re: The Letters War * NarCONon Chilocco
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:30:34 -0600
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FACE-TO-FACE ENCOUNTER

August 14, 1992

Last Narconon hearing. The Oklahoma Mental Health Board, after two years of battles and lawsuits, bows out and allows the certification Narconon/Scientology bought from C.A.R.F. in Arizona to stand.

After the hearing, Bruce Pyle, the Narconon in-house OSA guy confronts J. Wilson.

(From notes taken on the day of the encounter)

BP: Will you be calling Bob?

JW: What?

BP: Will you be reporting to Bob?

JW: Bob? Bob who?

BP: Bob from Newkirk.

JW: Bob Newkirk?

BP: I know he doesn't have anyone else here. If you're not going to report to him, I will.

JW: Why should I report to him? I hardly know the man. Why should you report to him?

BP: Oh, Bob and I have been playing games for years.

JW: You want to tell him that you succeeded in blackmailing the Board into letting Narconon stay?

BP: Blackmail? What do you mean by blackmail?

JW: That you forced the Board into it. You leave us alone. We'll leave you alone.

BP: I've never heard blackmail used that way. I'll have to look it up in a dictionary.

JW: Be sure you use a WOG dictionary, not a Scientology one.

BP: Oh, I'll use an English one. Why did you sign the register as ------- ------? How many other aliases do you have? Don't you know that is illegal?

JW: That's the way I signed the register in December.

BP: But, that's not your name, is it?

JW: I went to court and paid $300 and changed my name legally.

BP: Yes, we know you did on April --. We know all about you and that group that provides you with all that information.

JW: I knew nothing about CAN until I joined it last year. I have been keeping track of the Church of Scientology since 1974.

BP: Well, you sure knew what group I was talking about, didn't you? Why do you object to Scientology?

JW: Because of all its unethical, illegal practices.

BP: What unethical, illegal practices?

JW: Why did Dr. Forest Tennant testify in 1974 that Narconon was dangerous and now he's saying it's wonderful?

BP: He changed his mind. You think we paid him, don't you? Another misconception We didn't pay him a penny. JW: Is he a Scientologist?

BP: No, he is not a Scientologist. Not everyone in the world is a Scientologist...yet.

JW: Why did he resign from the NFL in 1990 because of allegations of drug test tampering?

BP: Those were just allegations, weren't they?

(Came to the door to the stairway leading down to the first floor)

BP: Are you coming through the door?

(JW walks off. BP goes downstairs after the others....Gary Smith, Vicki SMith and another Scientologist. JW waits on the second floor for several minutes for the Scientologists to leave the building.)

(When JW gets to first floor, the Scientologists are gathered around a payphone making a telephone call. The exit door is on their right and a ladies room is on their left.) (They look at JW and laugh)

JW: Reporting in? (They laugh)

JW (to Vicki Smith): Are you J. Johnson?

VS: No, I'm Vicki Smith. (extends hand)

JW: (shakes Smith's hand) Well, I thought the letter you wrote for J. Johnson was just wonderful.

(They all laugh except Vicki Smith)

VS: What letter? Who's J. Johnson? I didn't write any letter for anyone.

(JW walks into ladies room. As door closes, VS says, "How did she kn......

JW stays in ladies room until Scientologists leave the building. When JW returns home, there is a "letter" in the mailbox.

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Vicki Smith gets the last laugh.

There was a typewritten letter from "Charles R. Bell" in J. Wilson's mailbox when she arrrived home after attending the August 14 Narconon hearing.

This letter was dated August 10, and postmarked Aug. 13, Oklahoma City.

Typewriteen envelope:

Charles R. Bell 336 S. Osage Ponca City, Ok.74601

Ms. "J." Wilson XXXXXXXXXXXXXX Oklahoma City, Ok. xxxxxxx

The writing style was that of Vicki Smith. The person who signed the Charles R. Bell Aug 14 typed letter is not the same person who signed the Charles Bell hand written note of April 23) The April 23 signature was twice the size and the "C" and "S" were completely different.

August 10, 1992

Dear Ms. Wilson,

Thank you for your letter, although I think perhaps it was incorrectly addressed to me. Thank you also for giving me your address. Now I can write to you directly and not have to go through the editorial department of the Daily Oklahoman.

I must tell you honestly that I didn't send you anything. You have falsely assumed that I sent you this "newsletter" on CAN. I do not get the newsletter from CAN and I could not possibly have sent one to you. Did someone write my name on this newsletter?

Thank you also for the glossary to your last letter. You have a very interesting vocabulary, and although your use of grammar could stand some improvement and your presentation of your correspondence needs some work (highlighting words repeatedly only serves to make your letter look psychotic). Your choice of "quoting" "every" other "word" also gives a very unstable impression (it looks silly, doesn't it?).

Just so you can properly evaluate some of the information you have probably obtained I want to correct a few factual errors you have in your letter to me. A Reverend Bagley did not give me your address, you did (it was on your letter to me). I did not send you Scientology propaganda, but you are sending me propaganda written by CAN. I did check out the story in Canada as you suggested and found a headline reading "Scientology Acquitted" and detailed a ten year court case brought by the government of Canada against Scientology which was dismissed for lack of evidence. This seems pretty much in contrast to what you have told me, so there must be something that you are artfully leaving out of your version of the story. Who is J. Johnson and why do you think someone else wrote Johnson's letter?

You also mention, much to my curiosity, that you are "fully and solely responsible for any and all" statements or actions concerning Narconon and Scientology. What does this mean exactly? I didn't accuse you of NOT being responsible for your actions. Did someone accuse you and prompt this reaction from you, or are you attempting to legally insulate others from your actions? If you are doing the latter, then that would indicate that you are doing something, which is either illegal or something which you could be found guilty of, thus alleviating the guilt of others involved. (And, if that is the case, who are these other people who you are trying not to get into trouble?). I apologize for asking so many questions, but your letter has left me with more questions than answers based on our brief history of correspondence.

I would also like to know what the real agenda of Scientology is, as I think I must be missing something based on the heinous description of its actions by you. If what they are doing is illegal, why don't you go to the authorities about this? I would gladly help in bringing to justice anyone who was violating the law.

Also, thank you for the earlier newspaper articles on Narconon. I had already read them as I have been following this story over the past few years, but I would appreciate being kept up on anything you run across of a factual basis (newspaper stories are usually so full of conjecture and political spin that they can not be considered as fact or evidence).

Just as a closing note, it seems that you really must have some pent-up hostility towards somebody which you are not adequately facing. My guess is that it has nothing to do with Scientology particularly but with some individual person somewhere. If you want to tell me about it, I would be glad to listen.

Very truly,

Charles R. Bell

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CELEBRATION Magazine of the Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre Dallas.....September, 1992 - (paragraphs added)

Celebrity Spotlight (pg. 8)

At a special event held at the Bristoll Suites on July 11, several local Scientologists were recognized for being Professional Scientologists, one who uses Scientology to solve and handle the problems in their life.

JITEN SHAH was recognized for using LRH management technology in his business.

BENNETTA SLAUGHTER was recognized for her use of LRH technology in her business, getting most of her employees on service at the Celebrity Centre and her broad scale dissemination of Dianetics and Scientology including getting many radio ads broadcast on local stations.

CHUCK BELL was recognized for his efforts, which include actively selling books, heading the Oklahoma Branch of the Citizens' Commission on Human Rights and his volunteer efforts to help Narconon Chilocco.

NORMAN RALSTON was also recognized for efforts including actively introducing people to Scientology and using Scientology in his veterinary practice.

(Photo: Chuck Bell accepts award)

(snip)

BENNETTA SLAUGHTER returned recently from a six month check at FLAG, along with Hildegard Jessup.

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