Scientology --- Hubbard's Views On Christianity

Hubbard's Views On Christianity

For the last several weeks, Scientology's Office of Special Affairs has flooded alt.religion.scientology with endorsements from purported religious scholars from various denominations who offered their opinions that Scientology is a religion, and not in conflict with mainstream religions. As the testimonials are unsigned and undated, and most of the authors are unheard of, it is difficult, if not impossible, to authenticate these statements.

Any group that hold religious beliefs and practices can call themselve a "religion". Jim and Tammy Baker's PTL Club was a "religious practice", as was "Reverend" Jim Jones and his People's Temple. In the case of the latter, Jim Jones also had many testimonials from governmnent officials at the local, state, and federal levels, and "Tax-Exempt, Tax deductible"

status from the IRS. The government even sent welfare and social security checks directly to the People Temple account.

It is not the role of any government agency to evaluate the merits of any organization's religious beliefs and practices.

Hubbard's decision to operate under the cloak of "religion" was motivated by his desire to avoid income taxes and the scrutiny of the medical and mental health community.

New Church members are told that Scientology's policy is to "Change no man's religion" and they are assured that Scientology doctrine does not conflict with any other religions, and indeed it is consistent and supportive of ALL religions, past and present.

The Church asserts that Hubbard's writings constitute their "Sacred Scriptures" and they are immutatable. They have registered Hubbard's writings as "copyrighted" and some of their "religious practices" as "trade secrets".

Hubbard's deep-rooted bigotry and cynicism toward Christianity permeates all of his writings. Fewer than 2% of Church members have any formal technical training in Scientology and have never read Hubbard's views on Christianity. It is doubtful if the religious scholars mentioned in the OSA propaganda articles had more than a cursory view of the public-relations oriented articles that the Church has published in order maintain the sham of Scientology's religious tolerance.

Unverifiable claims from religious "authorities" are meaningless and Scientology's claim of toleration and non- conflict with other religions can only be determined by an analysis of Hubbard's writings. This essay was prepared for that purpose, and in defense of the value of Christian Ethics and exposure of the underlying mean-spiritness of the Hubbardian dogmas.

Scientology's constant refrain that they are victims of "Hate Crimes" and "Religious Bigotry" should be evaluated in the light of the "Sacred Scriptures" of their Chief High Priest and Founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

Belief or Non-Belief in a Supreme or a Supreme Being can be a part of any religion. Scientology is essentially atheistic.

Hubbard claimed that the creation of the physical universe was a joint venture by a group of "thetans" (spirits) who are now the victims of amnesia, enforced on them at the hands of hostile groups who obliterated their memories with electronic mind-control and encapsulated their consciousness in a body.

In the Hubbardian cosmology, modern-day psychiatrists and medical doctors were the ancient nemesis who invaded galaxies and planets and enslaved the populaces. They, (the "Psychs") introduced religious concepts and symbols and incorporated them into their electronic mind-control techniques. The Church invests a substantial amount of manpower and finances into their Holy War to expose and exterminate Hubbard's ancient enemies.

In the 1950's, Hubbard wrote a series of newsletter about his technical "discoveries" and called them PABS (Professional Auditor Bulletins). In PAB 31 Hubbard writes:

"Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation, being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the preclear into a body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as implant in preclears a million years ago."

In the same article, Hubbard infers that Jesus Christ was an agent of a mind-control organization that was imported to Earth:

"A few operating thetans -scarcity- could lead to trouble.

Witness the chaos resulting from the activities and other determinism technology of one operating thetan, 2,000 years ago. It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he must repent, that he is evil. Those who talk most about peace on earth and good-will among men themselves carry forward the seas of unrest, war and chaos."

Hubbard claimed that he was Guatama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism. In "Hymn of Asia" he stated that he addressed the Buddhist Congress in London in 1955 and inferred he was the future Buddha that was predicted in the Pali Canon. In Certainty magazine, Vol. 5, No. 10, he writes of his achievements as the Buddha, and positions himself as a contender with Jesus Christ:

"Two and a half thousand years ago a handful of clears civilized half a billion people. What if we were all clear.

Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just a shade above clear."

In HCO bulletin of 18 July 1959 Hubbard wrote as a "Historical Note":

"The whole Christian movement is based on the victim.

Compulsion of the overt-motivator sequence. They won by appealing to victims. We can win by converting victims.

Christianity succeeded by making people into victims. We can succeed by making victims into people."

Hubbard's criticism of Christian confessionals is utter hypocriscy, in view of his organization's policy of leaking the contents of confessionals and transgressions culled from the confidential records of dissident present and former church members. In HCO bulletin 21 Jan 1960 he writes, "Some Churches used a mechanism of confession. This was a limited effort to relieve a person of the pressure of his overt acts. Later the mechanism of confession was employed as a kind of blackmail by which increased contribution could be obtained from the person confessing."

Hubbard continued his "research" on the insidious genesis of Christianity and in the "Heaven" bulletin of 11 May 1963 he released his latest "objective" findings which were:

"Based on over a thousand hours of research auditing, analyzing the facsimiles of the reactive mind, and with the help of a Mark V Electrometer. It is scientific research and is not in any way based upon the mere opinion of the researcher...The contents of this HCO bulletin discover the apparent underlying impulses of religious zealotism and the source of the religious mania which terrorized Earth over the ages and has given religion the appearance of insanity."

In his much touted 1950 book, "Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health", Hubbard asserted that "engrams" were the root cause of ALL human abberations and psychosomatic illnesses.

With his news discoveries of what transpired in Heaven, Hubbard offered a new cause of the human dilemma:

"The Goals-Problems-Mass (GPM) implants, which are the apparent basic source of abberation and human travail, which began with the goal to Forget, were cynically done `in Heaven'.

Hubbard dismissed the concerns of some members about his disparagement and cynicism about other religions:

"For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so. The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed."

Hubbard describes the incident as occuring 43+ trillion years ago. The stunned thetan was placed in a doll body and transported to Heaven in a ship. Over a period of one trillion years, the thetan was given a series of electronic implants, containing the phrases To Forget, To Remember, To Go Away.

Hubbard described the terrain of Heaven:

"The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the movies. Aside from the implant boxes which lie across from each other on the walk there are other noises and sounds as though the saints are defending and berating."

"The second series, probably in the same place, shows what a trillion years of overt acts does (or is an additional trick to collapse one's time). The place is shabby. The vegetation is gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have the angels. A sign on one (the left as you enter) says `This is Heaven'. The right has a sign "Hell" with an arrow and inside the grounds one can see the excavations like archaeological diggings with the raw terraces, that lead to "Hell". Plain wire fencing encloses the place. There is a sentry box beside and outside the right pillar. The roadway `leading up' to the gates is deeply eroded. An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert clothing is seen approaching the gates (but not moving) leading a donkey which `carries' the original Madonna and child from `Bethlehem'. The implanting boxes lie on either side of this `entering' path at path level."

Hubbard concluded:

"Further, we have our hands on an appalling bit of technology where the world is concerned. With rapidity and a Meter it can be shown that Heaven is a false dream and that the old religion was based on very painful lie, cynical betrayal."

Hubbard was living in England at the time and his "breakthrough" was considered of major significance. His discovery of Heaven inspired the "poet laureate" of Scientology, Julian Cooper, to write:

"They that worship Jesus nailed upon a cross above an altar, While an old priest chants.... Do they know what they worship?

Do they know why they worship? Can they recognize what they worship? Bondage of unconfronted facsimiles implanted so as to control and invalidate, is what they worship."

Hubbard abandoned Dianetics as the solution to an Un-Clear world after his discovery of the Heaven incident and the nature of the Goals-Problems-Mass implant. He spent the next five years "researching" the pattern of the implants and in 1967-68 he made another series of "discoveries" which are now know as "OT2" and "OT3". Hubbard wrote voluminous notes on the command phrases contained in the GPM implants, which he claimed were universal in nature. Church members undergoing initiation on these levels are required to mentally repeat these phrases until their effects are nullified.

Hubbard's "major" breakthrough in this period was his discovery that human bodies are actually the result of the melding of thetans during a psychiatrically-inspired implant 76 million years ago. Hubbard wrote that a galactic despot, Xenu, rounded up the population of 76 planets in this sector of the galaxy and transported them to Earth, placed them in volcanoes, and exploded H-bombs, then subjected them to 36 days of electronic implanting, including the "Christianity" and "Heaven" implant.

This incident created "Body Thetans" (BT/s), beings who were attached to other beings or human beings. They monitor one's thought and impede one's life. Hubbard developed a technique for exorcizing these Body Thetans.

In 1978 Hubbard made another "Breakthrough!" which he called NOTS (New-Era Dianetics for OTs). Hubbard developed new techniques for dealing with BTs who were comatose or did not respond to his 1968 exorcizing techniques. Hubbard claimed that a human body was actually a mass of BTs who were comatose and diseases were simply BTs who were acting against the person.

Hubbard claimed that eradicating these BTs from on or near the body would result in the creation of a Supra-Human, an Operating Thetan, capable of telepathic and telekinetic powers, without the need for a human body.

Following the government raids of Hubbard's Secret Intelligence offices, he went into hiding, never to be seen publicly again.

In May 1980 he wrote the OT VIII, Confidential, Student Briefing bulletin wherein he summarized his ancient role in the never-ending fight against the psychiatric implanters. He writes "With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all religions of any consequence on this planet, mono- and pantheistic alike, have been instruments to speed the progress of the "evolution of consciousness" and bring about the eventual enslavement of mankind."

Hubbard restates his claim of his prior existence as the Buddha and remarks about Christ and Christianity:

"For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings have inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biological implanting."

It should be pointed out that some present and former church members have disputed the authenticity of this bulletin and claimed that it was a "forgery" written to "embarass" the church. Church officials have remained silent about it. The authenticity of the statements should be evaluated in the light of Hubbard's previous statements about the subject matter. His defamatory remarks about people's sexual habits are part of a long pattern in his dealings with people he considered his "enemies".

Church members, staff and public, who have been exposed to Hubbard's "Upper Levels" writings are required to sign non- disclosure agreements for the rest of their lifes, in or outside of the Church. The Church has registered Hubbard's Upper Level exorcism techniques as its "trade secrets".

The Church aggressively attacks former members who discuss Hubbard's techniques. In statements made to the media after a former Church minister; Dennis Erlich, posted essays critical of Hubbard's doctrines; Karin Pouw, Church of Scientology International Public Relations Director said: "He deliberately defiled them in the computer, equivalent of desecrating a House of Worship with offensive graffiti."

On 13 Feb 1995, the Church obtained a writ of seizure from a Federal Court and seized files and computer disks from Erlich's residence, alleging Erlich had "infringed" on their copyrights and violated the terms of the non- disclosure of trade secrets agreement that he executed when he was a church member in 1978.

Commenting to the media after the raid, Warren L. McShane, president of the Religious Technology Center, the Keeper of Hubbard's copyrights and trade secrets, reiterated the necessity of keeping Hubbard's techniques away from the minds of the uninitiated:

"McShane said the church had every right to aggressively protect its text. And, he said, certain advanced texts could "do harm" if studied by people not yet deemed ready for them by church officials. `It's like jumping in an 18-wheeler and not knowing how to drive," McShane said, adding, "Spiritually, a person has to be ready for it."

Joe ========
Subject: Re: Fishman's reply to Milne
From: lippard@Primenet.Com (James J. Lippard)
Date: 7 Oct 1995 20:31:20 GMT
In article <454eok$cg2@crl3.crl.com>, Andrew Milne <milne@crl.com>

wrote:

>do with the reasons Fishman gives. His claims about Mr. Hubbard's
>remarks about Christ are also false. (the so-called OT 8 doc he
>mentions is a forgery, as has been pointed out before). And, as
>for the tape Fishman cites, it contains not a single reference to
>Christ.
Really? It doesn't say anything like, say, Professional Auditor's Bulletin No. 31 of 23rd July 1954 on "DUPLICATION,"which says:

You may have to waste ghosts and spirits before pc is willing to be a thetan. Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation, being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the pc into a body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in pcs a million years ago.

TECHNIQUE: Have the pc handle crosses and black crosses. Mock up a cross, mock up his body and nail it on the cross. Then turn the cross into a man's body, into a black body, into a baby's body. Mock up a body standing with arms outstretched, mock up another body nailed to the first one etc. Anyone got toothache? This is the assumption operation--between lives stuff.

(p. 26 of _PABs_ book 2.)

[posted and mailed--Andy has clarified what he considers "offensive" and doesn't want to receive in email (anything "abusive to Scientology, its founder, its executives, individual parishioners and me personally"; "Straightforward disagreements civilly expressed are not offensive, obviously").] -- Jim Lippard lippard@(primenet.com ediacara.org skeptic.com) Phoenix, Arizona http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/ PGP Fingerprint: 35 65 66 9F 71 FE 50 57 35 09 0F F6 14 D0 C6 04 ========
Subject: Re: HATE GROUP FILES BANKRUPT
From: Tony Sidaway <tony@sidaway.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:43:28 +0100
In article <46plg6$631@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, Brett <Brett6@ix.netcom.com> writes > Sorry to inform you, Milne, but the "Christians" are well aware of
> LRH's views on Christ are. Here's a snippet from "The Kingdom of
> the Cults" by Walter Martin, copyrighted first in 1965, who writes
> from the perspective of evangelical Christians.
>
> "Scientology says: 'You will find the cross as a symbol all over the
> universe, and the CHRIST LEGEND as an implant in preclears a million
> years ago.'"
That is in the Professional Auditors Bulletins, vol. 2, p. 26 copryight 1954.

-- Tony Sidaway ========
Subject: LRH: "Christianity is crap"
From: cultxpt@primenet.com (Jeff Jacobsen)
Date: 13 Nov 1995 08:48:07 GMT
"Christianity and a million other -anities have struggled with this problem [the identity between theta and mest] and the result is a pot-pouri of answers, none of which reconcile the problem." (History of Man, p.39) In HCOPL 18 July 1959 Hubbard says Scientology is based on not being victims while "The whole Christian movement is based on the victim."

In a PABs that is unfortunately in a safe place since I was threatened with being raided, Hubbard calls Christ "an implant", meaning that Christ was a false memory.

Hubbard followed Aleister Crowley (PDC tape 18), who was devoutly anti-Christian. Scientology is gnostic, which tradition was one of the biggest problem groups for early Christianity (see The Hubbard Is Bare). The Scientology cross is the same used by the Golden Dawn group (see the latest issue of Gnosis magazine), which is anti-thetical to Christianity.

Christianity teaches that only the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus can bring us to Heaven. Scientology teaches that only the secret knowledge discovered by Hubbard and applied by the individual can save man. In Christianity man's salvation depends on God. In Scientology man's salvation depends on applying secret knowledge in a proper method.

Christianity teaches that we live once and then go on to our reward. Scientology teaches that we reincarnate up to millions of times.

For Scientologists like Andrew Milne to say the Scientology and Christianity are compatible is to be flagrantly lying or speaking without having investigated the issue.

"The universe is a rough universe. It is a terrible and deadly universe. Only the strong survive it, only the ruthless can own it." (L.Ron Hubbard, History of Man, p.38) "Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth."

(Jesus Christ, Mat. 5:5) -- ////// Jeff Jacobsen SP4, Scientology critic PO Box 3541 ftp.primenet.com /users/c/cultxpt Scottsdale AZ 85271 http://www.xnet.com/~can/can.html USA Scientology has raided 4 critics' homes!!!

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Subject: Scientology & Christianity: compatible?
From: rogue@ccs.neu.edu (R Agent)
Date: 11 Oct 1995 19:17:50 GMT
OK, I goofed. I meant to post to a.r.s and alt.religion.christian, but put in a.r.s twice. So here it is again, sent to both newsgroups.

In article <45afmk$jhh@crl14.crl.com>, Andrew Milne <milne@crl.com>

wrote: [...] > The so-called "OT 8 doc" was fabricated as a malicious means
> of trying to drive a wedge between the Church and its Christian
> friends. It singularly failed to do that. The OT materials have
> never left the Church and nobody outside the Church could know
> what is in them.
Frankly we don't need OT8 to drive a wedge between Scientology and its Christian friends. Hubbard did that quite well in _Professional Auditor's Bulletin_ 31, written in 1954:

"TECHNIQUE: Have the pc handle crosses and black crosses. Mock up a cross, mock up his body and nail it on the cross. Then turn the cross into a man's body, into a black body, into a baby's body. Mock up a body standing with arms outstretched, mock up another body nailed to the first one etc. Anyone got toothache? This is the assumption operation--between lives stuff."

If that's not enuogh, Christians would also be turned off by what Hubbard wrote in the Class 8 course: "Somebody on this pkanet, about 600 B.C. found some pieces of 'R6'. I don't know how they found it; either by watching madmen or something. But since that time they have used it. And it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the cross. There was no Christ! The Roman Catholic Church, through watching the dramatizations of people picked up some little fragments of R6."

Andy, please explain how denying Christ and performing visualizations about nailing people to crosses is not fundamentally at odds with Christianity. I'm crossposting this to alt.religion.christian so you can explain this to the tens of thousands of Christians who read that newsgroup as well.

Christians: do the above quotes make you more or less sympathetic to Scientology?

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From: Jeff Jacobsen <cultxpt@primenet.com>
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:52:01 -0700
Damon Chetson <dc7v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote: :

Whippersnapper (Whipsnap@cris.com) wrote:

>> Yes, I've just discovered that page... I went looking to see
>> where else this bogus redefinition of "ethics" was being sold as
>> a Scientology doctrine, and lo and behold! There it is at your
>> very own website.
> I'd like to know how you can claim that Scientology and
> Christianity are compatible when, quite clearly, there are huge
> doctrinal differences between the two belief systems. For
> instance, did not L.Ron Hubbard call Jesus Christ a "lover of
> boys"?
[deletions] *Sigh*, I think someone posted a whole bunch of Hubbard quotes slamming Christianity, but here are 2 just in case not;

"You may have to waste ghosts and spirits before pc is willing to be a thetan. Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation, being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the pc into the body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in pcs a million years ago." (PABS book 2, page 26) "(Purgatory and hell is a total myth, an invention just to make people very unhappy and is a vicious lie.)" (PABs Book 6, page 27).

As a Christian and someone who understands what an implant is, I find the above absolute proof that Christianity and Scientology are incompatible. And I think Whippersnapper or anyone else will have to play some incredible games to make them seem compatible. And Whip, if you want to try, I'll look up some more Hubbard quotes for you. :) You're welcome.

======== Subject: Re: hubbard says christianity is an implant
From: Tom Voltz <tvoltz@active.ch>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:06:46 +0200
[cuts] That PAB was not included in the "Technical Volumes". However, in 1973 the Publications Organization in Denmark (old name for New Era Publications Denmark) published the complete PAB (Professional Auditor's Bulletin) series - with the exception of No. 27 which was said to have been replaced by an HCO B dated June 20, 1972. At the time I was in Denmark on my few months stay in the C-org and where I helped putting the 6 PAB booklets together. PAB 31, with an issued date of 23rd July, 1954, and entitled "Duplication", has a few further viewpoints concerning Christianity. ElRon, under subtitle "Plan of Auditing", says that recent emphasis has been "on making operating thetans operate better." He then goes on to say:

"A few operating thetans - scarcity - could lead to trouble.

Witness the chaos resulting from the activities and other-determinism technology of one operating thetan 2,000 years ago.

"It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he must repent, that he is evil. Those who talk most about peace on earth and good-will among men themselves carry forward the seeds of unrest, war and chaos. Shut up the second Dynamic and make it scarce and wonder why the divorce rate soars! Make MEST scarce, especially in its prettier forms and wonder why criminality becomes rife. "We want peace on earth, therefor everybody must become abject." You can never have peace with apathy, only with strong men."

So Christ was an operating thetan, alas one not approved of by ElRon. It is indeed strange how scientology can say they are not at odds with Christianity when you read the above.

Other-determinism technology is scientologese, meaning to say that Christianitiy believes in God as the creator of the universe and being the guiding force in it.

After the quote by Steve Whitlach, ElRon goes into his technique of handling the "cross":

"TECHNIQUE. Have the pc handle crosses and black crosses. Mock up a cross, mock up his body and nail it on the cross. Then turn the cross into a man's body, into a black body, into a baby's body. Mock up a body standing with arms outstretched, mock up another body nailed to the first one. Anyone got tootchache? This is the assumption operation - between lives stuff." I invite some oldtimers to explain this technique to us so we can understand the purpose of it.

It is well worth to quote in this context another, earlier "church", defined in the "Administrative Dictionary" and quoted from tape lecture 5410C04 (4th of October 1954, 8th ACC, first lecture, "Introduction: Organization of Scientology" -does anyone out there have the tape?):

"CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE: there is a difference between the Church of American Science and the Church of Scientology. The Church of American Science is a Christian religion. It believes in the Holy Bible, Jesus is the Savior of man and everything that's necessary to be a Christian religion. People who belong to that church are expected to be Christians. These two churches fit together. We take somebody in as a Church of American Science. It doesn't disagree with his babtism or other things like that, and he could gradually slide over into some sort of better, wider activity such as the Church of Scientology and a little more wisdom and come a little more close to optimum. Then if he was good and one of the people that we would like to have around he would eventually slide into the HASI. So we have provided stepping stones to Scn with these organizations."

" ... and everything that's necessary to be a Christian religion ..."??? It would seem obvious to me that ElRon played with "church" corporations as if they were just a business outfit. Elron's "Christian" church my view was nothing but a tool to get people into Scn. Is that the true purpose of a church? Wouldn't this be sort of like the man from the tobacco company giving cigarette-like-looking candy bars to kids and then "if the kid was good and one of the people that we would like to have around" one day give him a "true candy bar" and tell him not to eat it but smoke it?

On the 18th of December 1953, 9 1/2 months before the above quoted lecture, the "Church of American Science" was founded by ElRon in Camden, New Jersey. (Same date that he founded "The Church of Scientology" and "The Church of Spiritual Engineering".) The articles of incorporation state as its purpose:

"The purpose for which this corporation is founded is to act as the Mother Church for the propagation of a religious faith known as "Scientology". Believing that Man's best Evidence of God is the God he finds within himself, and trusting with Enduring Faith that the Author of this Universe intended Life to thrive within it, the Church of American Science is founded to espouse such evidence of the Supreme Being and Spirit as may be knowable to Man and by their use the Church of American Science hopes to bring greater tranquility to the State and better order and survival to Man upon this planet."

So there is an "Author" of the universe. Doesn't he have a company on earth serving him? -> Author Services Inc.? :) TOm Voltz ======== Subject: Hubbard Declares Christianity Bogus
From: cultxpt@primenet.com (Jeff Jacobsen)
Date: 4 Jul 1995 17:24:37 GMT
"You may have to waste ghosts and spirits before pc is willing to be a thetan. Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation, being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the pc into the body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in pcs a million years ago." (Professional Auditors Bulletins, vol. 2, p. 26 copryight 1954) pc= pre-clear, someone who hasn't reached a certain level of training. implant= a belief or thought forcibly placed into a thetan (soul) by evil beings 75 million years ago.

So Christianity is nothing but a lie forced onto us. Yet, the church LIES and says Scientology is completely compatible with all other religions. You may have seen John Travolta making this point on the recent MTV show on cults. I am more and more amazed every day how much Scientologists and Scientology scriptures even teach that lying is not only alright, but is in fact an acceptable practice when useful.

You may recall seeing a document seized in the FBI raid on the Church of Scientology in 1977 called TR-L, which stands for Training Routine Lie. This is a church document that teaches people how to lie effectively. There is another writing of Hubbard's in which he states that the only way to control someone is to lie to them. And of course, on this very newsgroup, we see examples almost every day of Scientologists out and out lying in order to try to smear church critics. I can name Andrew Milne and especially Chris Miller as probably the biggest liars I have ever seen. Not only do they lie, but they persist in their lies, then can't understand why no one will believe them!!

Hubbard also said something like "never be afraid to hurt another in a just cause." Scientology is a sick, sick religion that has SCRIPTURE that teaches their members should hurt others!!! Lying is one of the church's preferred methods of hurting their critics' reputations. And I'm glad now the world can see blatant examples of this daily here on a.r.s.

======== Subject: more anti-Christian material in Scientology
From: rogue@ccs.neu.edu (R Agent)
Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT
This is being cross-posted from alt.religion.scientology to alt.religion.christian, since it is clearly on-topic to both newsgroups.

Christians, please let me know if I'm offbase, or if you find the references from Hubbard's writings offensive to you as Christians.

In article <45ffkf$n4@crl4.crl.com>, Andrew Milne <milne@crl.com>

wrote:

> There are several points to make in response to your post.
> First, I have been unable to find any reference to the "Christ
> legend" in the transcripts of Mr. Hubbard's works, or to find
> the PAB you cited. That makes me question its authenticity. In
> the early years of Dianetics and Scientology, some of these
> materials were put together by others and they were not always
> accurate. Some years ago, a project was done to authenticate
> all Mr. Hubbard's writings on Scientology and anything which
> failed that test was not republished.
Here's some data for you, Andy. Please check these references and tell us which are authentic:

Class 8 Course, Lecture 10 (Oct 3, 1968);

"Somebody on this planet, about 600 B.C. found some pieces of 'R6'. I don't know how they found it; either by watching madmen or something. But since that time they have used it. And it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the cross.

There was no Christ! The Roman Catholic Church, through watching the dramatizations of people picked up some little fragments of R6."

HCOB 18 July, 1959, under "Historical Note":

"The whole Christian movement is based on the victim.

Compulsion of the overt-motivator sequence. They won by appealing to victims. We can win by converting victims.

Christianity succeeded by making people into victims. We can succeed by making victims into people."

HCOB 11 May, 1963:

Another quote from HCOB 11 May, 1963:

"For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so. The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed."

Yet another quote from HCOB 11 May, 1963:

> But even if he did say it, so what?
Is this really the best defense you can give? "So what Hubbard said Jesus never existed. So what Hubbard wrote about visualizing nailing babies to crosses. So what Hubbard called Heaven a 'cruel betrayal'. So what Hubbard said Christianity makes people into victims. So what Hubbard said other religions have 'the appearance of insanity'."?

Christians, what do you think of Andy's "so what" defense?

>During my search I found numerous mentions of Christ in which Mr.
>Hubbard discussed his work. Some of these references are brief, but
>they certainly do not leave one with the impression that LRH thought
>there was no such person.
I don't deny this at all. I'm simply saying that Hubbard wrote things which -did- deny Christ as well.

>And I am willing to bet you that many Scientologists have never heard of
>the reference you cited.
Which is all the more reason for exposing the truth, that Hubbard was anti-Christian and that Scientology contains anti-Christian material. If you won't tell them, we will.

>All of them are familiar with the Church's creed, however, which says
>that all men have the right to their own beliefs and practices.
The Constitution of the USSR had similar guarantees. So what?

>Scientologists observe that creed and they respect the religious beliefs
>of others.
Escept that they're not allowed to "mix practices". If you're a Scientologist taking services, you're forbidden from practicing Christianity, Islam or Judaism at the same time.

> Remember the reason this series of posts began? Originally,
>someone posted a highly offensive and derogatory reference to Christ,
>claiming it came from "OT8." That document is a malicious forgery. Its
>sole purpose is to divide Scientologists from their Christian friends,
>of which there are many.
My claim that Scientology contains anti-Christian doctrine does not stand or fall by the OT8 document. Refute the authenticity of the above quotes, which are highly offensive and derogatory to Christ and Christianity, and you might make your point.

> Scientology is a vast subject. The taped lectures alone number
>about 3,000. To understand Scientology, you have to study it properly.
>It can not be grasped through soundbites.
Soundbites may not give you the whole picture, but they cannot be so easily shrugged off. And the cumulative effect of many soundbites -does- give the big picture. What is the whole if not the sukm of the parts?

> If you do want more information about the religious tradition out
>of which Scientology emerged, you will find it covered by Mr. Hubbard
>in the first three chapters of The Phoenix Lectures, available from any
>Church of Scientology.
Sorry, you can't sweep this problem under the rug with handwaving and vague references. You want us to believe that Scientology is not anti-Christian, you'll have to -prove- it.

[posted/mailed] RA rogue@ccs.neu.edu (Rogue Agent/SoD!/TOS/attb) - pgp key on request ======== Subject: Re: Interesting Hubbard quote on Christians & Buddhists
From: krasel@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:45:22 +0100
Chris Owen (co@romeo-klive.nvg.ntnu.no) wrote:

> This comes from HCOPL 21 Jan 1965 and is, of course, by Our Favourite
> Dead Sci-Fi Writer (TM): "It is all very well to idealise poverty
> and associate wisdom with begging bowls, or virtue with low estate.
> However, those who have done this (Buddhists, Christians, Communists
> and other fanatics) have dead ended or are dead ending."
Here is another nice one which I was not aware of. Did you ever know that all Christians are actually squirrels? I bet Heidrun will find this very interesting :-) "Also the Christian Church used [and uses] implanting [with a squirrel version of the 7s'] These gangsters were the Nicomidians from lower Egypt who were chased out for criminal practices [Implanting officials]. They took over the Niocene Creed just before the year zero, invented Christ [who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75 million years ago] and implanted their way to 'power'. The original Nicomidians date about 600 BC and people who were Christ date at 75 million years ago." -- L. Ron Hubbard,, "Resistive Cases, Former Therapy"

(According to Rod Keller's list, this could be a HCOB of 25 Nov 71.)

-- Cornelius.

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