1) Ryan Hogart DSA Johannesburg in studio 2) Phillipa Sondergdaad another OSA shill on phone link and 3) Arnie Lerma Started in with ....."but.... Scientology LIES!"

Used example of literacy project claim of teaching 1.5 million kids to read and correspondence from the South African Embassy to Tony McClelland Told them they fooled me for ten years.. I implore your listeners to not let them fool you for ten minutes...

Osa went on about dianetics sold 18 million copies...

I Quoted Scientific American review of Dianetics by a Nobel prize winning physicist in 1951 This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page than has any publication since the invention of printing.

One caller said they don't ask you to think anything I launched into Xenu and the body thetans They went on about it being a religion etc etc.... so I said, look i need to reply from http://www.lermanet.com/persecution/lermal.html I was a staff member for Scientology in the 60’s when Hubbard decided to cloak this fraud in religiosity... It was presented to me as a ‘Applied Philosophy’, then in the late 60’s, a cross was dragged in the door, and we were told to wear collars... Staff considered it a joke then, I consider it a fraud now, and an act of the most craven cowardice - to use ‘religious trappings’ to escape government and public scrutiny.....

OSA went on about religious tolerance....

from http://www.lermanet.com/cos/ Scientology is like a 19th century seedy carnival side show, whenever someone in the audience would yell out how the trick was done, he would be dragged outside by a couple of toughs stationed there for this purpose, and beaten up. Scientology’s demeanor is identical to this, only in the ‘civil’ 20th century they use lawyers. And the entire sordid affair is cloaked in bogus religiosity Osa kept going on and on about religious scholars so I read:

from http://www.lermanet.com "An individual processed with the aid of the E-meter was said to reach the intended goal of "clear" and was led to believe there was reliable scientific proof that once cleared many, indeed most illnesses would automatically be cured. Auditing was guaranteed to be successful. All this was and is false -- in short, a fraud. " Federal District Judge Gesell 333 F. Supp. 357; 1971 U.S. Dist then break for commercial Two callers called in citing the bible's warnings about false prophets I said, it's worse than that, here is Hubbard's own voice saying THERE WAS NO CHRIST And played http://www.lermanet.com/cos/nochrist.wav A guy called in that worked at an auditing firm that did an audit of St Hill In East Grinstead He said - it was a complete and utter scam.... the money just disappeared... they charged outrageous prices and it was obviously a complete scam.

then I got asked for parting comment...

I said Please... look at the web, Ex E EN YOU DOT NET 4 pointers to Xenu.net 1 pointer to LERMANET.COM 1 hour show, lost phone connection to South Africa 5 times... but station promptly called back..

I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.

The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind http://www.lermanet.com/grifters.htm - mentioned 4 January 2000 in The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"

You want Bigots? http://members.home.net/bwarr1/Movie2.html

From: ptsc <ptsc AT redneck DOT gacracker DOT org>
Subject: Re: Arnie Lerma on morning Radio Show in South Africa 12 November 2001 - 9 AM
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:37:54 -0500
Organization: ARS: Perhaps the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:31:23 GMT, alerma@nospam.bellatlantic.net (arnie lerma) wrote:

>Tim Modise Show on Monday 9 AM to 10 AM South Africa time
> ( Nelson Mandela has done this same show )
>The names of the guests are :
>1) Ryan Hogart DSA Johannesburg in studio
Are you sure you don't mean Robin Hogarth?

He used to be registered in some way connected to WISE, Inc.

Rec # 851380 W.I.S.E., Inc. 1340 N. Berendo LA, CA Resident Agent: James Varrier 34 N. Ft. Harrison Ave. CW, FL Est. 12/81 Withdrawn 3/83 Corp. Officers: Holeman Deva, Jacalyn Auerbach, John McGinley ( 2056 Hwy 19 South CW, FL) and Clayton B. Cockerill, NSW, Australia and Robin N. Hogarth, Johannesburg, SA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ He's also a WISE guy.

Clear Music Robin Hogarth 11 Flora St.

Kensington, Joburg 2198 South Africa (+27) 11-618-3144 (+27) 11-624-1851 101 570.460@compuserve.com Here's the WISE thing in another format:
CORP NUMBER: 851380 CORP NAME: WORLD INSTITUTE OF SCIENTOLOGY ENTERPRIS TITLE: S NAME: DEVA, HOLEMAN 2056 HWY 19 S CLEARWATER, FL, TITLE: T NAME: AUERBACH, JACALYN 2056 HWY 19 S CLEARWATER, FL, TITLE: D NAME: HOGARTH, ROBIN N 3 UXBRIDGE CT JOHANNESBURG, AFRIC0, TITLE: D NAME: COCKERILL, CLAYTON B 209 A HOPETOUN AVE NEW S WALES, AUST, TITLE: P NAME: MCGINLEY, JOHN 2056 HWY 19 S CLEARWATER, FL, Spam pages.

http://home.oursites.net/robinhogarth Robin Hogarth http://www.myhomepage.org/carolhogarth Carol Hogarth May or may not be related to Melissa Hogarth.

>2) Phillipa Sondergdaad another OSA shill on phone link
>and
Are you sure about that spelling? There are a couple Sondergards around.

>3) Arnie Lerma
Well, we know you well enough already.

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