Nancy Many spying on Laurel Sullivan, feeling sorry today
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5 BY MR. DANDAR:6 Q Did -- when was the last time that you were 7 asked -- 8 THE COURT: When you say black and white, 9 ma'am, that's what you mean, that they're fairly stuck 10 on their position?
11 THE WITNESS: Exactly. I call it 12 black-and-white thinking: all good, all bad. And I 13 saw that because I did have that experience of going 14 back and forth.
15 THE COURT: And the Church felt like the 16 anti- -- their critics were out to hurt them and they 17 were all bad, and the critics thought that the Church 18 was all bad and out to hurt them.
19 THE WITNESS: Exactly.
20 THE COURT: And nobody wanted to waver off 21 of that.
22 THE WITNESS: Exactly, exactly. And my very 23 last thing before they pulled me into the court case 24 to do an affidavit was a weekend with this woman who 25 had been LRH's personal PR, and she -- KANABAY COURT REPORTERS Volume 1, Page 46 1 THE COURT: What is a PR?
2 THE WITNESS: Public relations. But she was 3 a personal. Right?
4 THE COURT: His personal public relations 5 person?
6 THE WITNESS: And she -- 7 MR. WEINBERG: Are we back in the '80s, 8 ma'am?
9 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. We are in '85.
10 We're in 1985. And she -- before I had a weekend with 11 her, I was given a briefing, because that's normally 12 how it works. And they brief you on these various 13 different things. It's just individually it had taken 14 a toll on me, what side was what. And I remember in 15 the briefing being told things that I felt I shouldn't 16 know.
17 BY MR. DANDAR:
18 Q Such as?
19 A Personal, private, intimate things about this 20 woman.
21 Q Such as?
22 A Sexual practices.
23 Q And why did you spend the weekend with her?
24 A I had befriended her. She was somebody that -- I 25 had never been close to her when we were in the Sea Org and KANABAY COURT REPORTERS Volume 1, Page 47 1 she had actually been quite a not-nice executive. She had, 2 I thought, hurt several of my friends. And I thought it 3 was a little over the top to go testify -- to be LRH's 4 personal public relations officer and go testify against 5 him. So I didn't have qualms about spying on her.
6 But through this weekend, this woman actually 7 gave me a way out, which was a third kind of view of it, 8 which was not black-and-white thinking. And it was -- 9 actually ended up being quite a gift for me from that 10 woman.
11 And after that weekend with her, I did not report 12 in to OSA. I could not report on that woman.
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24 And I mentioned Laurel, that woman. And I 25 said if I ever saw her again, I would apologize, KANABAY COURT REPORTERS Volume 1, Page 68 1 because what was done to her was not right.
2 THE COURT: "To her." Now, who is this 3 "her"?
4 THE WITNESS: Her name is Laurel Sullivan.
5 THE COURT: Oh, this is not Kim Baker you're 6 talking about.
7 THE WITNESS: No.
8 THE COURT: Who is Laurel Sullivan?
9 THE WITNESS: Laurel Sullivan was the person 10 that came to my house. The weekend overnight person?
11 MR. WEINBERG: Back in the '80s.
12 THE WITNESS: Back in the '80s. I'm just 13 saying -- I'm just saying -- I'm telling this person 14 that we had spied on this woman. And now in 1995, I'm 15 saying: You know what? That wasn't right. It wasn't 16 right.
17 THE COURT: And if you saw that woman, you 18 would apologize.
19 THE WITNESS: I would apologize to her.
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