Scientology --- Email to/from Arnie Lerma

Email to/from Arnie Lerma http://www.scientology-kills.org

From: "neil clark" <neilclark222@hotmail.com>
To: Arnaldo Lerma <alerma@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: OSA scare tactics
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:23 PM +000

Dear Arnie,

I am former Sea Org and have been posting on xenu.net and, less frequently Ars, for about six months now. To cut a long story short, an OT public from my local org (Manchester UK), called around at my apartment yesterday, and "strongly advised" me to refrain from posting on critic sites ever again. He also brought the Ethics book around and said I would have to do the A to E steps, as I've been declared supressive. He said I have "no choice", I *have* to do those steps, and get back into good standing with Scientology, and go up the Bridge. He said "No one fucks with scientology!".

Do you think these are empty threats or should I be genuinely worried (which I am). Please reply.

Yours sincerely,

Neil Clark

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From: Arnaldo Lerma <alerma@bellatlantic.net>
To: "neil clark" <neilclark222@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OSA scare tactics
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:00:21 -0400

At 04:23 PM 4/24/03 +000, you wrote:

>Dear Arnie,

>I am former Sea Org and have been posting on xenu.net and, less frequently
>Ars, for about six months now. To cut a long story short, an OT public from my
>local org (Manchester UK), called around at my apartment yesterday,
>and "strongly advised" me to refrain from posting on critic sites ever again.
>He also brought the Ethics book around and said I would have to do the A to E
>steps, as I've been declared supressive. He said I have "no choice", I *have*
>to do those steps, and get back into good standing with Scientology, and go
>up the Bridge. He said "No one fucks with Scientology!".

that is a lie, as true as their promise of total freedom

I do... lawrence wollersheim does, brigitta dagnall does, joe harrington did, Denns erlich did, Tory does, if 80 year old ida camburn can do it for 35 years......

You should post this to the newsgroup......

>Do you think these are empty threats or should I be genuinely worried (which
>I am). Please reply.

You are SUPPOSED to be worried....

well, I've been at it for almost a decade and managed to survive...

How you choose to deal with the pattern of intimidation into silence is a decision only you can make

To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them.
Hamlet (III.i.64-86)

"Again and again I therefore admonish my students in Europe and America: Don't aim at success - the more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to to a cause greater than oneself.

Happiness must happen, and the same holds for success: you have to let it happen by not caring about it. I want you to listen to what you conscience commands you to do and go on to carry it out to the best of your knowledge. Then you will live to see that in the long-run - in the long-run, I say! - success will follow you precisely because you had forgotten to think about it."

Viktor Frankl, Austria, World renown Psychiatrist and survivor of Auschwitz

>yours sincerely

>Neil Clark

Arnie Lerma
http://www.lermanet.com/getinvolved.htm

I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.

The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the new milleneum Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind

Support http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist
with no HEAD"

From: Dave Bird <dave@xemu.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Email to/from Arnie Lerma
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:55:09 +0100
Organization: Smelling--nose Dogs for the Anosmic
Message-ID: <aN1E2QBdvqq+EwSU@xemu.demon.co.uk>

In article<d539d572.0304251503.2910f312@posting.google.com>, Neil Clark <neilclark222@hotmail.com> writes:

>From: "neil clark" <neilclark222@hotmail.com>
>To: Arnaldo Lerma <alerma@bellatlantic.net>
>Subject: Re: OSA scare tactics
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:23 PM +000
>
>Dear Arnie,
>
>I am former Sea Org and have been posting on xenu.net and, less
>frequently Ars, for about six months now. To cut a long story short, an
>OT public from my local org (Manchester UK), called around at my
>apartment yesterday, and "strongly advised" me to refrain from posting
>on critic sites ever again. He also brought the Ethics book around and
>said I would have to do the A to E steps, as I've been declared
>supressive. He said I have "no choice", I *have* to do those steps, and
>get back into good standing with Scientology, and go up the Bridge. He
>said "No one fucks with scientology!".
>
>Do you think these are empty threats or should I be genuinely worried
>(which I am). Please reply.

You should write to him saying that he is no longer welcome to visit or telephone your home. You should also report what happened to the police saying you found the "general tone of the visit to be threatening" and that "while there is probably nothing they can do about a single visit, you want to lay down a marker against any such harassment in future."

If he engages in a course of persistent harassment e.g. by repeating the visits then make sure you log them, take a photo, or whatever, and you have grounds to make a criminal complaint.

If he visited in response to your querying the declare at his place of business, to deliver the declare, then he can at least argue that his visit was solicited by you. Best to make clear in writing that future home visits are not wellcome, and that any future deliveries you request should be made by royal mail or courrier company.

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From: neilclark222@hotmail.com (Neil Clark)
Subject: Suppressive Person Declare - Neil Clark
Date: 25 Apr 2003 17:01:18 -0700
Message-ID: <d539d572.0304251601.3ea7ff83@posting.google.com>

. SEA ORGANIZATION

CCINT ETHICS ORDER #

[stamp]AUTHORIZATION.

VERIFICATION.CORRECTION.

INTERNATIONAL June 6 1993

ALL ORG HCOs ALL MISSION HCOs

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE

NEIL CLARK

Neil Clark, of London, England, formerly staff at the Manor Hotel is hereby declared a Suppressive Person.

On the 31st of January 1993, Neil blew the Sea Organization leaving a note stating that he had left for England. He has still not returned despite attempts to recover him.

By his actions, Neil has shown himself to be guilty of the following Suppressive Act:

1. WHERE A PERSON IS SECRETLY PLANNING TO LEAVE AND AND MAKING PRIVATE PREPARATIONS TO DO SO WITHOUT INFORMING THE PROPER TERMINALS IN AN ORG AND DOES LEAVE (BLOW) AND DOES NOT RETURN WITHIN A REASONABLE LENGTH OF TIME, AN AUTOMATIC DECLARE IS TO BE ISSUED.

Any certificates or awards that may have been awarded to him are hereby cancelled. Any trademark license that he may have signed with the Church is also cancelled and he has no rights to use any of the marks in any manner whatsoever.

Should he come to his senses, his only recourse is steps A to E of HCO PL 23 DEC 65RB, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS. His only terminal is the International Justice Chief, via the Continental Justice Chief.

Gregory A. Gum SECURITY CHIEF CCI

Approved by [signature] INT JUSTICE CHIEF

Authorized by AVC INT

for CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CELEBRITY CENTRE INTERNATIONAL

CSCCI:AVCI:SEP:GG:gg

CELEBRITY CENTRE, HCO, SCIENTOLOGIST and SCIENTOLOGY are trademarks and service marks owned by Religious Technology Center and are used with its permission. Printed in U.S.A.

From: me@manual-override.com (kEvin)
Subject: Re: Suppressive Person Declare - Neil Clark
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:07:25 GMT
Message-ID: <3eab2b57.8718543@news2.lightlink.com>

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:59:56 -0400, Kim P <yduzitmatter@sympatico.ca>

wrote:

>> On the 31st of January 1993, Neil blew the Sea
>> Organization leaving a note stating that he had left for England. He
>> has still not returned despite attempts to recover him.

>Recover?? What were you their priconer?? EEK

Staff, especially Sea Org, leave often enough that they have other staff with the assigned job of recovering those blown workers. They contact the recent and troubled ex staff member and try to convince them to come back. Dennis Erlich had this as one of his hats when he was in, and, at the time, was proud of his high recovery rate.

They get quite a few back. The conditions inside are horrible, but it's very hard to start a life outside the cult without knowing anyone else on the outside and having no money and possibly no job skills.

Some of the kids raised in the cult speak nothing but a jargon laden dialect barely intelligible to wogs and have trouble communicating.

Staff who leave without a support system are often subject to second thoughts when they realize how tought its going to be to make it on their own.

Also, the recovery staff will know about and push very powerful buttons like duty, altruism (gotta save the planet you know), fear (you're doomed for eternity of you don't go clear, can't do that without being in), friendship (you realize how much extra work you're dumping on all your friends on staff) etc.

===
kEvin
me@manual-override.com

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