Please make a note of this. This is the evidence anyone ever needs to realize how few members there are in Scn'gy. We know that the Philadelphia Org had around 180 members on their mailing list and not even that many taking courses. We know this because that is what Charlotte Kates claimed, who was a staff member there a few years back. She was even threatened by Scn'gy's lawyers that she was in possession of Scn'gy copyrighted material which was the alleged mailing list.

The Philadelphia Org is a very significant organization within Scn'gy.

Philadelphia is where the..........bing....... Philadelphia Doctorate courses were developed. It also covers a great deal of NJ (Charlotte is from NJ), Delaware, parts of Maryland, perhaps even Virginia, as well as the greater portion of Philadelphia, as a place where Scn'gsts gather to pay for Scn'gy courses. It is an enormous area to cover for only 180 people to be on the mailing list and maybe 20 people to be taking a course.

The problem isn't Scn'gy failing in membership but surviving as it does on so few members. That is the incredible aspect of Scn'gy. If they had the 8 million members they say they had, they might just rule the world.

He left in early 1995 or maybe late 1994 before moving to Atlanta.

(Speaking of Atlanta, anyone know how many clams are active in the org there these days?) He told stories of long hours, low pay and utter disillusionment when he came to the realization that the "clears"

weren't clear, that the Oh Teas had no powerz and that it was all a huge scam.

When I made the mistake of getting sucked in to the Atlanta Org after attending the LRH birthday celebration in March, 1996 and mentioned to him that I had told them that he was formerly on staff in Philly he practically begged me to not divulge any information about him to the church. Of course the church was just as insistent that I "get him in"

or tell them how to contact him.

The thing is that the LRH birthday party was the most widely attended event I saw in Atlanta. (They rented out a hotel conference room on the north side to accommodate the party.) In a metropolitan area of more than 2 million people there could not have been anything over 250 to 300 people (and that is absolute tops for an estimate) in attendance and quite a few of those were children and teens. In a metro area the size of Atlanta where some of the traditional churches have to hold two, three or more Sunday morning services each and every week to accommodate the crowds this kind of attendance is no great shakes.

Maybe we should get the ARSCC to fund a "cult count" and survey of the number of people that are actually visiting and using the orgs on a regular basis. Here in the US that ought to be easy enough with the exceptions of LA, Clearwater and Hemet. Somehow I think that the number of actual active members in the US is under 100,000. Way under 100,000.

Way, way under. Kind of like Battlefield Earth at the box office. :)

Central Files, on the other hand, are huge, containing thousands upon thousands of names of people to whom bulk mail are sent, many, many invalid addresses and certainly *not* people who consider themselves Scns. A lot of these people are on the "Bookbuyer" list; that is, usually people who once bought _Dianetics._ CF is where Scn gets its (probably still inflated) 8 million members figure, since every person who fills out an interest blank, calls PDO (Planetary Dissem Org, or who staffs 1800-for-trut), buys a book at an Org, etc. is entered into the INCOMM system and CF.

There's certainly, however, only approximately 180 people in Philly who would actually describe themselves as Scientologists who are reasonably/moderately active at their Org, or even around it. The others--they're not Scientologists.

Hell, the 8 million members includes people like me, Warrior, Arnie Lerma, Stacy Brooks, Jesse Prince, Robert Vaughn Young, Mike McClaughrey, Perry Scott, Margery Wakefield, Lawrence Wollersheim, etc. We're all in CF, after all...

--charlotte Charlotte L. Kates CLKates@aol.com ckates@eden.rutgers.edu http://members.xoom.com/justinusa/-Justice International http://www.offlines.org/-OFFLINESonline: freedom from Scientology Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity!

But nowhere there has been such a number, even adding everybody having ever bought a one book in scientology.

It's more than probable that the figure of DMSMH sold is faked too: i'd bet they never sold more than 7 millions for every language.

So, they know the correct number of active scienos now; that's about 40000... most of which will quit before Y2K is ended, and some of them replaced by other "new people in".

That is so evident when you see that in a large event in Paris, where lots of people from other fucking cults like Raelians were invited, they were unable to come with more than 300 persons, while in Lyon, with pasrt of the ettendants being the same than in Paris, they were uneble to get more than 80 persons... including me, to hear what they were saying (lots of nonsense and some defamations, for which they'll be sued sometimes!) roger

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