While the attacks on Haney would be in character for Bob as well as the rage at being personally targeted by a citizen's complaint this way, something totally out of character for Bob would be the obsession with gratuitous attacks on and mentions of other critics like the Rice brothers, Tom Padgett and Keith Henson.

While Bob is certainly pissed off at a lot of people, the Rice brothers, Tom Padgett and Keith Henson aren't on that list. However, such mentions would serve to stir up flames and dissension and serve no otherwise legitimate purpose, so again, I say OSA is the most likely culprit.

The current poster has gratuitous attacks on the Rice brothers, who have generally supported Minton to the point of imbecility (sorry) and are therefore very unlikely to be targets of Minton:

Here's an example:

"If a Rice brother thinks it's gold then he could prove he is something other than a windbag by actually starting a racketeering lawsuit against Scientology. Rice is content though to screw other people such as Keith Henson in the GPS episode at Gold Base or brag about secret knowledge that will bring Scientology to its knees.

Secret knowledge that never seems to see the light of public scrutiny."

There's one other prior poster with an obsession with this subject who has additionally a writing style that I feel is similar to the current anonymous attacker of Ottmann. The poster was an OSA poster.

Here's a post from that individual which displays the same obsession with the Rice brothers and Keith Henson as well as the same general (low) tone.

This search:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:clark_bor%40juno.com+rice&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off http://tinyurl.com/40wz

pops up similar posts mentioning Ricen by the same author. If the current anon is not the same as the original "Clark_Bor," it is someone with the same obsessions, that is to say, OSA. I conclude finally with a post attacking Padgett and displaying the same Henson obsession.

Date: 18 Dec 2001 06:10:20 -0000
Message-ID: <20011218061020.17076.qmail@nym.alias.net>
From: Clark_Bor@juno.com
Subject: Re: German agency ordered to stop spying against Scientology

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:17:05 -0500, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net> wrote:

>On 14 Dec 2001 06:39:50 -0000, Clark_Bor@juno.com wrote:
>
>>Are you sure the dumb in question isn't you? As I recall you were caught
>>hacking into Los Alamos and several other systems, which certainly qualifies you
>>for that title. Tell us, how dumb were you, Rob? Were you trying to gain access
>>to Los Alamos nuke codes? I wouldn't put it past you.
>
>Look, you fucked-up moron, the German OPC can still spy on your crime cult, and
>indeed they are doing so. On top of that, they've revoked the "religious
>privilege" crime cults hide behind. Ashcroft commended them for doing this.
>
>I hope he's equally pleased when they raid you all over Germany, and throw the
>crime cultists in prison and sentence them to a regimen of ECT and Prozac to
>restore them to sanity.
>
>ptsc

Rob, you might want to take a moment to re-read your response and consider the impression it leaves - the obvious one being that of a person who has become sufficiently agitated to the point of losing control. When you are no longer able to read this newsgroup without resorting to snarling, half-crazed threats, what does that say about you, psychologically speaking? How soon is it before you just snap and beat someone up, or buy a gun and let loose on those you have been unable to punish sufficiently through your keyboard? It's not like you or your associates are strangers to using terrorist threats and demonstrating the knowledge and desire to carry them out. Your friend Barbara Graham (a.k.a. Barb Warr) actually posted the formula on how to blow up one of the Scientologists' buildings. And Henson bragged about his explosives expertise to the point of getting it published in detail. His repeated "it's either them or me" statements on ars are from the profile of a dangerous extremist. He has certainly shown that he feels in no way compelled to act within the law. To virtually no one's surprise he was found guilty of a hate crime which is why he fled to Canada- to avoid jail. Henson didn't ever answer the question as to why he never put up a defense during his trial, yet he still accuses the District Attorney's office, the trial judge, the appeal judge and several other government officials of being "corrupt" and having "manipulated his case".

Now that Henson is in Canada he is using Hagglund to harass the local Scientologists, which is obvious from reading his picket reports. And what do you think Henson is going to say when Immigration revokes his bail and denies his phony refugee claim? He will come up with an amended "conspiracy theory:

i.e. that he was jailed and denied refugee status because the Scientologists "control" the Canadian government. The problem with Henson, and this is what makes him dangerous, is that he believes his own delusions. Henson lives in a different world. Perhaps he should seek psychiatric help.

Then we have the fake "pacifists" who, like Jeff Jacobsen, instigate hatred causing others to make terrorist threats: e.g. Tory Bezazian's menacing 'suggestion' to blow up a Scientologists' facility in Clearwater. This makes Jacobsen as guilty as those he corrupts. It is no secret that Jacobsen takes direct orders only from Minton. Minton has already given Jeff his next assignment- "incite hatred against the Scientologists in California but leave no trace of the LMT." And sure enough Jacobsen took his assignment seriously reporting back to his master that he is right on it. Soon Jacobsen it will be who is the next fugitive from justice. Since Jacobsen is a major instigator I'd be surprised if the LAPD doesn't have Jacobsen and some of his contacts under observation .

Now let's take a look at your background, Rob. According to "The Daily Collegian" you criminally hacked into various computer systems, Los Alamos among them. Whether you were trying to crack Los Alamos secret codes is yet to be known, but I somehow doubt you were out to access the cafeteria lunch menu. And what did it get you? A permanent listing in the dangerous suspects (which includes terrorists) list for the rest of your life- even if your criminal record is "cleared." Now some might put that down to youthful stupidity, except that's not where things ended, is it? You picked what you considered to be an easier target than the US government and went on to harass the Scientologists.

And then you posted a bomb threat against them - so any idea that you were just some kid with a computer and a screw loose was no longer plausible.

I took the time to find some of the threats you and your friends posted to ars and put together in a brief time line- one which I found rather interesting.

August 98: Minton fires a shotgun at Scientologists. He then posts a threat to shoot any Scientologist who comes near his property, calling it "target practice."

September 98: Minton strikes a Scientologist over the head with a picket sign.

October 98: Someone posts an anonymous threat to kill the children of Scientologists.

July 99: Minton posts that he would burn Hubbard, Travolta and Miscavige in effigy. Barbara Graham and Scarff responded by urging the burning of the real Miscavige.

October 99: Minton is arrested again for assaulting a Scientologist.

July 00: D. Rice, Henson, and Graham harass the Scientologists at the Gold base.

D. Rice takes Global Positioning Satellite readings of various buildings and later posts the information to ars along with a photo and the coordinates of one of the buildings. He calls it "target data".

July 00: F. Rice posts a message suggesting that the GPS coordinates taken by his brother David should be used to launch weapons at Gold base.

September 00: Gonnet posts a message saying that he would bomb any Scientology organization he could.

December 00: Graham posts a threat with a formula to eradicate Big Blue.

February 01: Minton is found in contempt of court for violating an injunction.

May 01: Bezazian posts a terrorist threat inciting people to blow up one of the Scientology buildings.

September 01: Graham posts a veiled terrorist threat stating that an action against Scientologists will take place that will "crisp their bacon." She further writes that they won't ever see it coming until it's too late.

September 01: Scarff posts to ars suggesting dropping bombs on Scientology.

October 01: R. Clark posts a message inciting the harassment of Scientologists at one of their celebrations. Scarff responds to Clark stating that Clark won't be in LA to set those bombs off.

I'm sure I've missed quite a few, but even so the intention to terrorize the Scientologists is evident, and the purposeful orchestration of it by certain individuals is apparent. What is interesting to note is that, as with all aspiring terrorists of any variety, always present are your cries of having been "victimized" in order to bolster your demands for blood. It is quite chilling that one need look no further than ars for the same rabid mantra that is tearing apart the Middle East.

So, Rob, you can call them "criminal cult" all you want -- but so far it is you and your fellow "critics" who have been caught in criminal acts. Your desperate agenda is easy to see. Your feeble grasp on what's left of your self-control is even more apparent. We can only hope that some law enforcement agency comes between you and the rest of society before you loose it entirely.

Clark

---

From: Clark_Bor@juno.com
Subject: Re: Increased violence against critics
Message-ID: <20001217203032.C99E7C52@mail.zedz.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:30:32 +0100 (CET)

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:05:35 GMT, Julia Maris-Baine <j_m_b@my-deja.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. David Rice:

You participated with Keith Henson in a terrorist act by posting the GPS coordinates of Scientology's buildings on ars. Then when Keith Henson was arrested, and subsequently charged by the DA's Office, you took off in a hurry and remain in hiding to this day.

Now, by posting as "Ms. Maris-Baine", you are trying to "assist" the friend you left behind to face those criminal charges, so that he (Henson) will be able to use your postings as evidence.

I wonder if you will show up at the trial, whenever that will be, and testify to all the trash you posted to this ng? Or are you afraid to be charged as well? Let me know if are: at which point I will book a flight arriving in time to see you taken into custody for perjury, contempt of court and for being a accessory to the crimes committed by Henson.

Sincerely yours,

Clark Bor

>Fredric Rice wrote:
>
>>>> I'm worried by what appears to be growing hatred and insanity
>>>> among the cult followers that are allowed to post here. There
>>>> does seem to be growing resentment and irrationality and,
>>>> though once I was of the opinion that it couldn't happen, I'm
>>>> now thinking that some of these people are capable of anything.
>
>lmt_watch@my-deja.com replied:
>
>>> You can't be serious. You're worried about posts like these?
>
>Fredric Rice replied:
>
>> I'm worried about the physical assaults you insane cultists
>> inflict upon the good guys. I think you people are slowly
>> becoming capable of murdering in your desperation.
>
>My inclination was to disagree at first, but the data shows
>you are correct: critics of Scientology's abuses have been on
>the receiving end of violence more and more often. Mr. Minton
>alone has been battered at least four times; Henson was
>strangled; "M" was slugged; Bunker was hammered; the
>Scientologist Dennis Clark battered at least half a dozen
>critics one day within the space of ten minutes; Hagglund
>was battered after a Scientologist ambushed him outside a
>book store; Berry was assaulted by a Scientologist who had
>twice tried to run him down in a car ....
>
>... and yet with all these assaults and batteries against the
>critics of Scientology's abuses, I have been unable to find
>any instance of a critic of Scientology assaulting or battering
>a Scientologist. That's the case even though Scientologists have
>been engaged in a deliberate program of violence provocation.
>Scientology management has working very, very hard trying to
>manufacture violence against its members via provocing critics:
>and yet the critics still refuse to fall for the ruse. If
>some day a critic of Scientology ever does strike or injure a
>Scientologist, it will because Scientology management had
>arranged the attack.
>
>
>> ---
>> Send information concerning incidents of racketeering and
>> terrorism by the Scientology cult to the Domestic Terrorism
>> Task Force at norfolk@fbi.gov http://www.skeptictank.org/
>> For psychological assistance check: http://www.shrinktank.com/

--

Date: 23 Sep 2000 20:40:26 -0000
Message-ID: <20000923204026.31919.qmail@nym.alias.net>
From: Clark_Bor@juno.com
Subject: Re: Visitors Manual for alt.religion.scientology

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:27:44 -0400, ptsc <ptsc@my-deja.com> wrote:

>You are getting more and more insane and desperate and it's obvious.
>Before too long the FBI will be force to raid your cult compounds
>...again.
>
>ptsc

May be the FBI will be knocking at your door (your logs and posts are amazingly shocking, even to them).

Explain to me how Tom Padgett not paying his child support is a frame job.

Explain to me how Jesse Prince getting busted for growing marijuana is a frame job. The police (according to the LTM godfather's press release) were doing an undercover investigation. If Jesse is a dope-head send him back to Wellspring since they didn't do a good job with him.

Explain to me how Keith Henson making terrorist threats is a frame job.

He wrote those posts and made those threats. Let the court decide whether or not he should be convicted.

Explain to me how Stacy screwing Minton and breaking up his marriage is a frame job. Now you really have to come up with some incredible evidence to convince me of *that* being a frame job.

Explain to me how Bob Minton ripping off millions of dollars from Nigeria is a frame job. Did Minton post any evidence to ars that the criminal investigation against him was dismissed? If Minton ripped off the Nigerians he is a criminal so again, let the courts decide the facts. Note: If Minton did post any exculpatory evidence let me know where it is because I have not been able to find it.

Btw, when is the Mark Bunker trial for criminal trespass starting?

Clark Bor

-- Liberty is better served by presenting a clear target to one's opponents than by joining with them in an insincere and useless brotherliness.

-Benedetto Croce

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