I was pulled of the street and given a personality test a couple of weeks ago. At this time, I had no idea of what scientology is or that it ever existed. The test result said that I was hopelesly depressed, something that I really don't believe is true, but was made very convincing... They strongly recommended I took a "personal efficiency" course lasting about a week, which I did. They then, immediately, went on to offer me many other scientology related courses, claiming to clear my mind and basically cure me.. yeah, right.

I was struck by the eagerness of their staff to take money from me, something which is quite uncharacteristic of what their supposed values are.

The annoying thing is that were all so friendly and eager to help me; how do you defend yourself in that sort of situation?? Rather reluctantly, I decided to give the dianetics home extension course a go.. after all, if they're telling the truth about totally clearing the mind of all negativity, then I guess it's worth half a day's wages...

I recieved a call earlier this week from a man from the church. He said he wanted meet and talk to me.. which I did. I then learned that he was in charge of recruitment within the church; and to cut it short, wanted me to undertake a 40hr per week training programme and become a full-time member of staff within the church; saying that I was one of their "brighter"

students, and would be of value to them as a member of staff.

He then showed me a quite disturbing letter that was sent on Sept. 11th 2001 by one of the top people in the organisation. He claimed that in the face of the growing evil in the world (referring to the terrorist attacks), scientologists are the only people in the world who can save the human race, and that it is imperitive that their number increases as fast as possible.

In short, if scientology didn't grow, then mankind would destroy itself.

Heavy stuff. How can I be expected to take the responsibility of saving humanity?

The thing that gets me though, is that I had no idea whatsoever of the opposition that scientology has until I got on the net and found out for myself. I was relieved more than anything that I am not alone in my scepticism of these people. Nothing they said or did led me to believe there was any negative aspects of scientology at all.

I'm a fair person, and I'm willing to hear what they have to say.. but they are very manipulative; they are using the imperfections of the human race to their own ends. They convinced me that I needed their help, and I won't be the last. After all, if scientology is as revolutionary as they make it out to be, then why is the only representation of it in my city locked away on the 2nd floor of some office building?

Thanks for hearing me out.. any views or opinions welcome of course.

Keith.

Message-ID: <3DD780F6.4208@mpinet.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:43:50 -0500
From: Beverly Rice <dbj1120@mpinet.net>
Subject: Re: My intro to scientology...

Keith Owen wrote:

> I was struck by the eagerness of their staff to take money from me,

:-). You have to understand, it is drilled in to them to the point they don't even realize the degree to which it has become engrained, or shall we say "implanted", in to them. This is done by a combination of the importance of ever increasing stats to be made each week, created with the following standard Ill Rum HubTOADio policies of Co$ such as:

GOVERNING POLICY

A. MAKE MONEY

B. Buy more money made with allocations for expense (bean theory).

C. Do not commit expense beyond future ability to pay.

D. Don't ever borrow.

E. Know different types of orgs and what they do.

F. Understand money flow lines not only in an org but org to org as customers flow upward.

G. Understand EXCHANGE of valuables or service for money (P/L Exec Series 3 and 4).

H. Know the correct money pools for any given activity.

I. Police all lines constantly.

J. MAKE MONEY.

K. MAKE MORE MONEY.

L. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MONEY.

A small sack of beans will produce a whole field of beans. Allocate only with that in mind and demand money to be made.

-- L. Ron Hubbard HCOPL 9 Mar 1972

> something which is quite uncharacteristic of what their supposed values are.

Ah, you mean the values that they show to the public.

Once in the Co$, you would understand the importance of money flow and also the assorted stats that are involved with pushing courses on others. Quite a few stats are increased by that one action.

> The annoying thing is that were all so friendly and eager to help me; how do
> you defend yourself in that sort of situation??

Ah, yes, the enigma of the Co$.

The fact is that most scientologists ~ARE~ really good people whose only desire truly ~IS~ to help others, and to improve their ownselves . . .

and to ~save the world~.

The irony is that via continued implanting of Co$ techonology, ethics, policy, communication and dogma . . .

they still remain very good-hearted and well-intentioned people . . .

but their reality has become warped and their actions put in to altered states where the mind operates now not just with their original intentioned heart . . .

but with the brain of Ill Rum, and the purposes of the Co$.

It's amazing to see, and the sad thing is they get to the point where they are completely unable to see the alteration . . .

unless and until they wake up and open their eyes.

That is followed by leaving.

Thank you for your excellent post. It is always good for people to share what experiences they have with Co$.

ARC = As-Ising the Real CST,

Beverly

Message-ID: <3DD7C184.B8D45079@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:19:16 -0800
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: My intro to scientology...

Keith Owen wrote:

>
> I was pulled of the street and given a personality test a couple of weeks
> ago. At this time, I had no idea of what scientology is or that it ever
> existed. The test result said that I was hopelesly depressed, something that
> I really don't believe is true, but was made very convincing... They
> strongly recommended I took a "personal efficiency" course lasting about a
> week, which I did. They then, immediately, went on to offer me many other
> scientology related courses, claiming to clear my mind and basically cure
> me.. yeah, right.

Oh, yes...they prey on fear. Fear of failure, inadequacy, life. Couple a naive curiousity with a Scientologist with a clipboard (an icon of authority, don't you know) and the group may well find a button or two which may draw you in. If you're mildly unhappy with your life, validation of your unhappiness from a cult evaluation might convince the unwary that they actually know what they're talking about. It would never occur to you that they say this to *everybody!*

One of my favorite anecdotes about communicating with culties; during a picket of a Scientology org here, a woman came out and started asking me why I would oppose such a great and good organization. "Scientology saved my life!" she declared with fervor. We've all heard this. It's often used in testimonials by cult victims. Curious, I asked her how Scientology had saved her life, not really expecting a response other than the usual, "Oh, well, you know, it just did." She went one better when she said, "I went in and took the personality test, and they told me that, unless I started courses right away, I would commit suicide within five years." Her gullibility amazed me.

>
> I was struck by the eagerness of their staff to take money from me,
> something which is quite uncharacteristic of what their supposed values are.
> The annoying thing is that were all so friendly and eager to help me; how do
> you defend yourself in that sort of situation?? Rather reluctantly, I
> decided to give the dianetics home extension course a go.. after all, if
> they're telling the truth about totally clearing the mind of all negativity,
> then I guess it's worth half a day's wages...

Some people, particularly lonely, disaffected people, respond favorably to this "love bombing." On the surface, these eager, friendly people are pathetically happy to have you amongst them. You've made some new friends! Yet, should you cross the myriad rules Scientology imposes, they'd drop you in a heartbeat. No more calls or friendly chats, not even if you're a long-time friend or family member. Befriending a Scientologist is like befriending a drug addict. You are not the #1 priority in their lives. Family, friends, and loyalty are all secondary.

The most important thing in life is Keeping Scientology Working. And they will go to almost any lengths to do it.

>
> I recieved a call earlier this week from a man from the church. He said he
> wanted meet and talk to me.. which I did. I then learned that he was in
> charge of recruitment within the church; and to cut it short, wanted me to
> undertake a 40hr per week training programme and become a full-time member
> of staff within the church; saying that I was one of their "brighter"
> students, and would be of value to them as a member of staff.

Ah, YOU are special! You stand out in a crowd! (Actually, you are one of their brighter students, you had the brilliant idea to research them before you got drawn in further.) Reminds me of this kid we used to go to the roller skating rink with, plump, uncoordinated, an abysmal skater. He was called over by the manager of the rink, who laid it on thick as to his potential talent as a skater. Turns out it was only a ploy to sell skating lessons to the lad, but when you're nine years old, you can't see that. Of course he nagged his mom until she signed him up.

He was Talented, Superior and Special! Funny how one can draw such parallels from life experience...

>
> He then showed me a quite disturbing letter that was sent on Sept. 11th 2001
> by one of the top people in the organisation. He claimed that in the face of
> the growing evil in the world (referring to the terrorist attacks),
> scientologists are the only people in the world who can save the human race,
> and that it is imperitive that their number increases as fast as possible.
> In short, if scientology didn't grow, then mankind would destroy itself.

Yes, they didn't waste a nanosecond jumping on the 9-11 bandwagon! Read how the cult attempted to profit from this tragedy here:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/20010911-tragedy/

Within weeks, Scientology literature was being distributed in papers, billboards about the Volunteer Ministers were erected in several US cities, and stacks of fliers appeared in corner markets and taco shops.

All of which mentioned terrorism, and Usama bin Laden by name. What a wonderful thing it is to prey on fear in such a fearful time!

>
> Heavy stuff. How can I be expected to take the responsibility of saving
> humanity?

Hey, it's a big job, but somebody's gotta do it! And if you're aimlessly drifting through life, can you envision a nobler cause to dedicate your time to?

>
> The thing that gets me though, is that I had no idea whatsoever of the
> opposition that scientology has until I got on the net and found out for
> myself. I was relieved more than anything that I am not alone in my
> scepticism of these people. Nothing they said or did led me to believe there
> was any negative aspects of scientology at all.

Heh...well, duh! They're not gonna tell you how they abuse their members, destroy families and infiltrate governments, are they? They're not going to tell you the truth about their esteemed Flounder, L. Ron Hubbard, either. By all accounts, he was not a nice man at all.

>
> I'm a fair person, and I'm willing to hear what they have to say.. but they
> are very manipulative; they are using the imperfections of the human race to
> their own ends. They convinced me that I needed their help, and I won't be
> the last. After all, if scientology is as revolutionary as they make it out
> to be, then why is the only representation of it in my city locked away on
> the 2nd floor of some office building?

Good point. Maybe it's because they're a criminally convicted cult whos downfall will be the internet? The cult is now the butt of jokes on late night TV. They're losing the advantage of the media's fear of them. More and more people know that Scientology is a destructive, totalitarian UFO cult, and they're staying away in droves.

>
> Thanks for hearing me out.. any views or opinions welcome of course.

Welcome to the drove!

>
> Keith.

-- Rev. Barb Church of Xenu, San Diego Chaplain, ARSCC http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm

"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:

terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business opportunity.

$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."

-Chris Leithiser

Message-ID: <3DD7C184.B8D45079@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:19:16 -0800
From: barb <bwarr1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: My intro to scientology...

Keith Owen wrote:

>
> I was pulled of the street and given a personality test a couple of weeks
> ago. At this time, I had no idea of what scientology is or that it ever
> existed. The test result said that I was hopelesly depressed, something that
> I really don't believe is true, but was made very convincing... They
> strongly recommended I took a "personal efficiency" course lasting about a
> week, which I did. They then, immediately, went on to offer me many other
> scientology related courses, claiming to clear my mind and basically cure
> me.. yeah, right.

Oh, yes...they prey on fear. Fear of failure, inadequacy, life. Couple a naive curiousity with a Scientologist with a clipboard (an icon of authority, don't you know) and the group may well find a button or two which may draw you in. If you're mildly unhappy with your life, validation of your unhappiness from a cult evaluation might convince the unwary that they actually know what they're talking about. It would never occur to you that they say this to *everybody!*

One of my favorite anecdotes about communicating with culties; during a picket of a Scientology org here, a woman came out and started asking me why I would oppose such a great and good organization. "Scientology saved my life!" she declared with fervor. We've all heard this. It's often used in testimonials by cult victims. Curious, I asked her how Scientology had saved her life, not really expecting a response other than the usual, "Oh, well, you know, it just did." She went one better when she said, "I went in and took the personality test, and they told me that, unless I started courses right away, I would commit suicide within five years." Her gullibility amazed me.

>
> I was struck by the eagerness of their staff to take money from me,
> something which is quite uncharacteristic of what their supposed values are.
> The annoying thing is that were all so friendly and eager to help me; how do
> you defend yourself in that sort of situation?? Rather reluctantly, I
> decided to give the dianetics home extension course a go.. after all, if
> they're telling the truth about totally clearing the mind of all negativity,
> then I guess it's worth half a day's wages...

Some people, particularly lonely, disaffected people, respond favorably to this "love bombing." On the surface, these eager, friendly people are pathetically happy to have you amongst them. You've made some new friends! Yet, should you cross the myriad rules Scientology imposes, they'd drop you in a heartbeat. No more calls or friendly chats, not even if you're a long-time friend or family member. Befriending a Scientologist is like befriending a drug addict. You are not the #1 priority in their lives. Family, friends, and loyalty are all secondary.

The most important thing in life is Keeping Scientology Working. And they will go to almost any lengths to do it.

>
> I recieved a call earlier this week from a man from the church. He said he
> wanted meet and talk to me.. which I did. I then learned that he was in
> charge of recruitment within the church; and to cut it short, wanted me to
> undertake a 40hr per week training programme and become a full-time member
> of staff within the church; saying that I was one of their "brighter"
> students, and would be of value to them as a member of staff.

Ah, YOU are special! You stand out in a crowd! (Actually, you are one of their brighter students, you had the brilliant idea to research them before you got drawn in further.) Reminds me of this kid we used to go to the roller skating rink with, plump, uncoordinated, an abysmal skater. He was called over by the manager of the rink, who laid it on thick as to his potential talent as a skater. Turns out it was only a ploy to sell skating lessons to the lad, but when you're nine years old, you can't see that. Of course he nagged his mom until she signed him up.

He was Talented, Superior and Special! Funny how one can draw such parallels from life experience...

>
> He then showed me a quite disturbing letter that was sent on Sept. 11th 2001
> by one of the top people in the organisation. He claimed that in the face of
> the growing evil in the world (referring to the terrorist attacks),
> scientologists are the only people in the world who can save the human race,
> and that it is imperitive that their number increases as fast as possible.
> In short, if scientology didn't grow, then mankind would destroy itself.

Yes, they didn't waste a nanosecond jumping on the 9-11 bandwagon! Read how the cult attempted to profit from this tragedy here:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/20010911-tragedy/

Within weeks, Scientology literature was being distributed in papers, billboards about the Volunteer Ministers were erected in several US cities, and stacks of fliers appeared in corner markets and taco shops.

All of which mentioned terrorism, and Usama bin Laden by name. What a wonderful thing it is to prey on fear in such a fearful time!

>
> Heavy stuff. How can I be expected to take the responsibility of saving
> humanity?

Hey, it's a big job, but somebody's gotta do it! And if you're aimlessly drifting through life, can you envision a nobler cause to dedicate your time to?

>
> The thing that gets me though, is that I had no idea whatsoever of the
> opposition that scientology has until I got on the net and found out for
> myself. I was relieved more than anything that I am not alone in my
> scepticism of these people. Nothing they said or did led me to believe there
> was any negative aspects of scientology at all.

Heh...well, duh! They're not gonna tell you how they abuse their members, destroy families and infiltrate governments, are they? They're not going to tell you the truth about their esteemed Flounder, L. Ron Hubbard, either. By all accounts, he was not a nice man at all.

>
> I'm a fair person, and I'm willing to hear what they have to say.. but they
> are very manipulative; they are using the imperfections of the human race to
> their own ends. They convinced me that I needed their help, and I won't be
> the last. After all, if scientology is as revolutionary as they make it out
> to be, then why is the only representation of it in my city locked away on
> the 2nd floor of some office building?

Good point. Maybe it's because they're a criminally convicted cult whos downfall will be the internet? The cult is now the butt of jokes on late night TV. They're losing the advantage of the media's fear of them. More and more people know that Scientology is a destructive, totalitarian UFO cult, and they're staying away in droves.

>
> Thanks for hearing me out.. any views or opinions welcome of course.

Welcome to the drove!

>
> Keith.

-- Rev. Barb Church of Xenu, San Diego Chaplain, ARSCC http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm

"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:

terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business opportunity.

$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."

-Chris Leithiser

From: "Keith Owen" <k.p.owen@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: My intro to scientology...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: BT Openworld
Message-ID: <araq01$hgn$1@sparta.btinternet.com>

Hi,

I tried to send this post last night, but it doesn't seem to haveappeared...

:) Anyway, here it is again.

Thanks to all of you who replied.. I really appreciate the help and info you've given me. I really needed a voice out there to agree with what I was thinking, and I most certainly got it!

I stumbled across this group when visiting a web page dedicated to scientology, or rather the exposing it for what it really is. Although I was reluctant to accept what the recruitment guy said to put it mildly, it wasn't until I looked scientology up in the dictionary and seeing word "cult" next to it, that I realised there was something very wrong about it.

And no, have not yet started the dianetics home course yet :) Infact, I intend to demand a refund.. though I'm not overly optomistic of seeing the cash again. But if I had a choice between getting my cash back and making my opinions clear to them, I will take the latter option any day of the week.

As I may or may not have said, I live in the UK. I'm not sure what difference that makes in terms of the ARS and other anti-scientology organisations, but if there is any info out there specific to the UK then that would also be helpful. I've discovered Sir John Foster's Report of 1971, which looks into the practice and and effects of scientology.. Something I must make time to read in it's entirity over the next few days. Apparently, scientology's publishers have been using legal threats to try and censor this report!

Freedom of communication indeed...

Keith.

From: HR-Defense@aol.com (Shy David)
Subject: Re: My intro to scientology...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:07:37 GMT
Organization: -NONE-
Message-ID: <3de3fee4@news2.lightlink.com>

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:35:58 +0000 (UTC), "Keith Owen"

<k.p.owen@btinternet.com> wrote:

> I was pulled of the street and given a personality test a couple of weeks
> ago. At this time, I had no idea of what scientology is or that it ever
> existed.

See http://freepersonalitytest.org for a brief explanation of the worthless "free personality test" used by the Scientology crime syndicate.

> The test result said that I was hopelesly depressed,

Of course they did. They have told people in the past that they are suicidal and "need Scientology" to keep them from killing themselves.

> something that
> I really don't believe is true, but was made very convincing... They
> strongly recommended I took a "personal efficiency" course lasting about a
> week, which I did. They then, immediately, went on to offer me many other
> scientology related courses, claiming to clear my mind and basically cure
> me.. yeah, right.

Did they tell you that the actual root of all of your many problems are BODY THETANS? Scientology's core belief is that 75,000,000 years ago the evil Lord Xenu afflicted Earth with the spirits of murdered space aliens. When humans later evolved (from clams), these murdered space aliens stuck to human bodies in "clusters." These BTs cause humans to forget their god-like powers and abilities, and only Scientology Inc. can remove them.

(I'm not making this up!) I'm sure the salesperson at the francise you visited told you this.... right? If they didn't, ask yourself why they didn't.

> I was struck by the eagerness of their staff to take money from me,

That's what Scientology Inc. is all about. Hubbard started it as a fraudulent "self-help" business. He later called it a "religion" to acquire tax-exemption status.

> something which is quite uncharacteristic of what their supposed values are.
> The annoying thing is that were all so friendly and eager to help me; how do
> you defend yourself in that sort of situation?? Rather reluctantly, I
> decided to give the dianetics home extension course a go.. after all, if
> they're telling the truth about totally clearing the mind of all negativity,
> then I guess it's worth half a day's wages...

If they actually wished to HELP people, wouldn't their "services"

be free? Or at the very least 5% or so of what they actually charge? Why does it cost around US$370,000 to get rid of all of the Body Thetans? Why have so many people squandered MILLIONS of dollars for Scientology "services?"

> I recieved a call earlier this week from a man from the church. He said he
> wanted meet and talk to me.. which I did. I then learned that he was in
> charge of recruitment within the church; and to cut it short, wanted me to
> undertake a 40hr per week training programme and become a full-time member
> of staff within the church; saying that I was one of their "brighter"
> students, and would be of value to them as a member of staff.

Of course he did. *ALL* of Scientology Inc.'s latests victims are recruited for staff.

> He then showed me a quite disturbing letter that was sent on Sept. 11th 2001
> by one of the top people in the organisation. He claimed that in the face of
> the growing evil in the world (referring to the terrorist attacks),

There is vastly less "evil" in the world than just ten years ago.

Life on Earth has been steadily and greatly improving for the past four decades, and shows every sign of continuing that trend.

The quality of life has increased for a greater percentage of humanity than ever before in human history. Scientology Inc.

claims otherwise because fear is a good marketing tool.

> scientologists are the only people in the world who can save
> the human race,

Then why are so many Scientologists in prison? Why are so many of Scientology Inc.'s top executives criminals?

> and that it is imperitive that their number increases as fast as possible.
> In short, if scientology didn't grow, then mankind would destroy itself.

The Hopi says the same thing about themselves: if the kachina dances are no longer performed, this world (Forth World) will be destroyed.

> Heavy stuff. How can I be expected to take the responsibility of saving
> humanity?

The world doesn't seed "saving."

> The thing that gets me though, is that I had no idea whatsoever of the
> opposition that scientology has until I got on the net and found out for
> myself.

http://xenu.net

> I was relieved more than anything that I am not alone in my
> scepticism of these people. Nothing they said or did led me to believe there
> was any negative aspects of scientology at all.

You have joined the ranks of the 99.999% who look at Scientology and discovered it is bullshit.

> I'm a fair person, and I'm willing to hear what they have to say.. but they
> are very manipulative; they are using the imperfections of the human race to
> their own ends. They convinced me that I needed their help, and I won't be
> the last. After all, if scientology is as revolutionary as they make it out
> to be, then why is the only representation of it in my city locked away on
> the 2nd floor of some office building?

The Scientology crime syndicate claims 8,000,000 customers ("members"). The actual figure appears to be around 70,000 world-wide, with the majority in the USA. This is a drop from about 200,000 customers in Scientology's most popular year (1978 or so). My point is this---- if Scientology "tech" actually worked, there would be a hundred million current customers, not the piddling 70,000 or so current customers.

With a wink and a nudge, Scientology Inc.'s represenatives claim Scientology "tech" can cure cancer, AIDS, epilepsy, and other diseases. When a new victim signs up, they sign a disclaimer stating that the "tech" does nothing. (More winking, more nudging.) Once-secret Scientology documents, posted to the internet, outline medical "treatment" for verious diseases (contrary to what the crime syndicate tells the government). My point again: if they could actually do what they verbally tell their victims, there would be a billion Scientologists in the world!

I see in the news that a new vaccine for cervical cancer has been developed, which has the potential of saving every one of the 400,000 lives each year that cervical cancer takes. *THAT'S* how one "saves the world:" through science and technology that is proven valid..... not Scientology "tech" which is not just worthless, but dangerous.

> Thanks for hearing me out.. any views or opinions welcome of course.
>
> Keith.

---- Scientology without the crimes and human rights abuses: http://www.fzaoint.org View ancient (and modern) desert pectroglyphs: http://desertphile.org

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