On March 9, 2002 someone threw what was described as a "fire bomb"

through the front door of the Scientology mission in Palm Springs, Florida. Palm Springs is near West Palm Beach, on the East coast of the state. Evidently the fire extinguished itself before the fire department or police arrived.

When interviewed by police after this incident and asked who might "have a problem" with them, I was told that Scientologists gave the police three names: Frank Oliver, Patricia Greenway, and Mike Krotz.

I ended up being interviewed by a detective from Palm Springs, and had to inform him that I don't believe that I have ever even been to his fair city, let alone thrown firebombs at a mission I had no clue existed. In fact, at the time it had been about 3 years since I had even been to that part of the state. I did outline my "activism," such that it is, and told him how I knew Patricia and Frank. I kinda got the feeling from what he said that he had been told Frank Oliver and I were Patricia Greenway's "henchmen" or something.

I have since spoken with the chief of police of Palm Springs, and he assured me that I am not a suspect in this case, and I assume from what he said that neither are Frank Oliver or Patricia Greenway. The police say they are still pursuing other leads. When they asked my thoughts as to possible supsects, I suggested either a disgruntled ex member, or just a nut. It would be hard to determine, but to me as an investigator, one logical place to start would be a list of recently departed or disgruntled members of that mission. Ray Emmons also suggested such an approach to the detective when he spoke with him.

However, as soon as that list was requested by police, the Scientologists refused to cooperate with the police by providing such a list, and from what I understand have not cooperated in any significant manner since.

It is also worth noting that their local radio station 103.1 FM "The Buzz" was said to have had a talk show about Scientology shortly prior to this incident, and that was believed by police to have had "an effect" on the firebombing.

Best that I can tell, not much more will come of this. It is useful and instructive if nothing else to demonstrate to the uninitiated (and to remind everyone else who already knows...) just how far Scientologists will go to "defend" their "religion." Someone throws a molotov cocktail through your window, just give the police the names of three nearby critics, after all... they must be guilty, they criticize Scientology...

I can hear them now, telling the detective... "you must expose their crimes!!! What are their crimes?!?!?!?!"

My "crime," and Frank Oliver's, and Patricia Greenway's, is working to expose Scientology's abuses.

MK

Message-ID: <3DA39FA1.3030201@fornikulture.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:16:49 -0400
From: "M. Krotz" <M_K@fornikulture.com>
Subject: Perhaps y'all missed this...

There has been some discussion about the "purpose" of ars and the quality of the posts here as of late... I have only been following and participating in this for a couple of years, but I gotta say I am more and more disappointed with the quality of what I see lately. I don't have the big picture of longterm exposure and I admit it is better now than during pornspams, but still...

I am very upset with what I see Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks have done/are doing. I am not "withholding judgment" on them because I have seen them in the courtroom and I have read the transcripts and court documents and by all appearances they have sold out to Scientology. But I also am not here going on and on and on about them either. I have my opinions and feelings about this whole scenario but that is not what I choose to dwell upon.

Instead, I try to talk about REAL things that are happening. The following incident for example. I was one of 3 critics that essentially were accused of arson by Scientologists.

I noted only a few responses to El Queso's post about his being interviewed by the FBI due to an "anonymous" person setting him up for some inflammatory web posts. There were only a few responses to my post about this allegation against us. Are these kinds of things becoming an accepted practice? Is nobody outraged about this? Or is the signal to noise ratio on ars so bad now that I need to repeatedly post something in order for it to show above most people's radar?

I was just wondering when this kind of abuse by Scientologists became less worthwhile a discussion topic than whether Stacy should be called a "mistress," "whore," or "bed buddy" for that matter. And don't you even get me started about geckoes!

Rant mode off/

Thank you. Original post follows. :)

MK

On March 9, 2002 someone threw what was described as a "fire bomb"

through the front door of the Scientology mission in Palm Springs, Florida. Palm Springs is near West Palm Beach, on the East coast of the state. Evidently the fire extinguished itself before the fire department or police arrived.

When interviewed by police after this incident and asked who might "have a problem" with them, I was told that Scientologists gave the police three names: Frank Oliver, Patricia Greenway, and Mike Krotz.

I ended up being interviewed by a detective from Palm Springs, and had to inform him that I don't believe that I have ever even been to his fair city, let alone thrown firebombs at a mission I had no clue existed. In fact, at the time it had been about 3 years since I had even been to that part of the state. I did outline my "activism," such that it is, and told him how I knew Patricia and Frank. I kinda got the feeling from what he said that he had been told Frank Oliver and I were Patricia Greenway's "henchmen" or something.

I have since spoken with the chief of police of Palm Springs, and he assured me that I am not a suspect in this case, and I assume from what he said that neither are Frank Oliver or Patricia Greenway. The police say they are still pursuing other leads. When they asked my thoughts as to possible supsects, I suggested either a disgruntled ex member, or just a nut. It would be hard to determine, but to me as an investigator, one logical place to start would be a list of recently departed or disgruntled members of that mission. Ray Emmons also suggested such an approach to the detective when he spoke with him.

However, as soon as that list was requested by police, the Scientologists refused to cooperate with the police by providing such a list, and from what I understand have not cooperated in any significant manner since.

It is also worth noting that their local radio station 103.1 FM "The Buzz" was said to have had a talk show about Scientology shortly prior to this incident, and that was believed by police to have had "an effect" on the firebombing.

Best that I can tell, not much more will come of this. It is useful and instructive if nothing else to demonstrate to the uninitiated (and to remind everyone else who already knows...) just how far Scientologists will go to "defend" their "religion." Someone throws a molotov cocktail through your window, just give the police the names of three nearby critics, after all... they must be guilty, they criticize Scientology...

I can hear them now, telling the detective... "you must expose their crimes!!! What are their crimes?!?!?!?!"

My "crime," and Frank Oliver's, and Patricia Greenway's, is working to expose Scientology's abuses.

MK

From: "Android Cat" <androidcat99@hotmail.com>
Subject: Was this loon ever in Palm Springs?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:19:22 -0400
Organization: Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo
Message-ID: <3da6ddfd@news2.lightlink.com>

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_688124.html?menu=

Florida man sentenced over White House email threats

A man accused of threatening to blow up the White House has been sentenced to six months of house arrest and five years probation.

Safraz Jehaludi, 21, pleaded guilty in August to a charge of using the internet to make threats.

He was arrested in June by Secret Service agents after he emailed two anonymous tips to the FBI's website.

Prosecutors say one of the mails threatened the White House, the other a Florida Power plant.

The FBI traced the origin of both messages to locations in Fort Lauderdale.

One of them came from the Kemper Risk Management Services where Mr Jehaludi worked.

Attorney Henry Bell commented: "He's very sorry about what he did."

Story filed: 08:47 Friday 11th October 2002 ===

"Kemper" set off a few mental alert warnings, but Google only turned up a "Psychs got it wrong" spam from Co$ and Helena's maiden name. Probably no connection. (These days, I tend to check any story involving spam, fraud or other criminal activity from Florida for a Co$ connection. Sometimes I find one.)

And as for the incredibly dumb Safraz Jehaludi:

http://64.229.162.146:1214/snd/uhf07.wav

Ron of that ilk.

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