Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.10.10010161919340.14020-100000@adore.lightlink.com>
Organization: Lightlink Internet

Dear Ms. Paquette, > We have been informed that someone made several postings using this
> trademark in the e-mail address "l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com". Copies of
> those postings are attached hereto.
I will of course do whatever my counsel suggests I do, but this is stretching it.

The person's name could well be L. Ron Hubbard and have a perfect right to use it.

Even if if it wasn't their name, I believe you are on very shakey ground here with no precedent whatsoever to back your claim.

> Accordingly, on behalf of our client, we hereby request that these postings
> be canceled and that this person be blocked from engaging in this activity in
> the future.
Although I can of course cancel the postings, I can not block the making of such postings.

Homer >
> I appreciate your prompt attention to this matter.
>
> You may contact me either by telephone, telefax or my e-mail address at
> "AMPaquette@aol.com.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ava Paquette
> Moxon & Kobrin
> 3055 Wilshire Boulevard
> Suite 900
> Los Angeles, California 90010
> Tel: (213) 487-4468
> Fax: (213) 487-5385
>
> **********
>
> From: "Murdoch" <l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> Subject: Desperation
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:15:52 -0700
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> From: "Murdoch" <l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com>
> Subject: UP AT OT song
> Date: 04 Sep 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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From: ptsc <ptsc@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Unauthorized Use of Registered Trademark
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:32:30 -0400
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:49:24 GMT, Jason Fordham <jason@fordham.altadena.ca.us>

wrote:

>Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>
>> The person's name could well be L. Ron Hubbard and have a perfect
>> right to use it.
>>
>
>The name could also be L. Ronhubbard...
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all Scientology lawyers would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered." -- Shlomo Blubbard, The Modern Science of Survival ptsc

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:27:22 -0400
From: Homer Wilson Smith <homer@lightlink.com>
To: CLEAR-L <clear-l@lightlink.com>

Subject: Unauthorized Use of Registered Trademark (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:34:18 EDT
From: AMPaquette@aol.com
To: wagner@bpmlegal.com Cc: homer@lightlink.com, AMPaquette@aol.com Subject: Unauthorized Use of Registered Trademark
Dear Mr. Wagner:

If you will recall, you and I dealt with each other on a previous matter pertaining to your client, Lightlink.com. It was my understanding at that time, that if any other similar such matters were to arise that I was to go through you.

Unfortunately, I am writing to you again. In this matter, our office represents Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the owner of the trademark and service mark "L. Ron Hubbard." This mark is registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office under registration number 1,821,751. We also represent the Church of Scientology International ("CSI"), which is the licensee of the "L. Ron Hubbard" trademark. Mr. Hubbard is the founder of the Scientology religion.

We have been informed that someone made several postings using this trademark in the e-mail address "l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com".

Copies of those postings are attached hereto.

This person's use of this mark in his e-mail address to post through your client's system has caused Lightlink to be falsely associated with our client's registered mark as owner and creates a likelihood of confusion as to source or sponsorship of this posting, in violation of United States state and federal law, including the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. section 1015 et seq., and various state and foreign laws.

Accordingly, on behalf of our client, we hereby request that these postings be canceled and that this person be blocked from engaging in this activity in the future.

I appreciate your prompt attention to this matter.

You may contact me either by telephone, telefax or my e-mail address at "AMPaquette@aol.com.
Sincerely, Ava Paquette Moxon & Kobrin 3055 Wilshire Boulevard Suite 900 Los Angeles, California 90010 Tel: (213) 487-4468 Fax: (213) 487-5385 ********** From: "Murdoch" <l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: Desperation
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:15:52 -0700
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news2.lightlink.com!64.20.37.124 X-Agent-Group: alt.religion.scientology _____________________ From: "Murdoch" <l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: UP AT OT song
Date: 04 Sep 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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Organization: Lightlink Internet


From: "Murdoch" <l.ronhubbard@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: UP AT OT!!, REPRISE
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:11:41 -0700
Message-ID: <39ebc35b.0@news2.lightlink.com>
Organization: Lightlink Internet

In complaining about my email Address, L.RONHUBBARD@MAD.SCIENTIST.com, she also mentioned some posts they were upset about. This is one of the posts Ava's letter complained about, it actually never had a full printing of L. RON HUBBARD, only Ron, BUT, now, even at the sake of melodic flow, i will change all the Rons, to L. Ron Hubbard, and all OTs to L. Ron Hubbard, and all clears, to L. Ron Hubbards. just for fun.

Don't forget, to sing along!.

I don't think i can really get in trouble for posting someone's name, unless i'm falsly accusing someone , attacking someone, or threatening someone, AKA, stuff scientology does, If it hurts the Church of Scientology for someone to type up and post their OWN documents, then that is, in my opinion, a bit odd, don't know very many Christians® that get upset when you qoute the Bible® , , remember that was only 1 page out of the dissemination guide, image what more i could POST,HAHAHAHA. Maybe i'll post my OT pamplets i got from the San Fran org, people would get a kick out that. Heck, maybe it would even convince a few people to not join your evil little cult, who knows!

SP forever!
Scientologists, listen to me, the reactive mind, it's a mess, life up at L.

RON HUBBARD, is better than anything they got down there The L. RON HUBBARD's are always L. RON HUBBERER, they cannot make a mistake You dream about getting up there But do you have what it takes The books and the tapes around you, just stand here and take a look You have all these tools around you, just open up your check book Up at L. RON HUBBARD Up at L. RON HUBBARD Darling it's sweeter grab your e-meter Listen to me Up in the org they work all day Auditing their thetans away While all that you fear Is becoming clear Under L. RON HUBBARD At L. RON HUBBARD1 you get happy Get rid of reactive mind Unlocking all your powers The secrets that you will find But this is not an easy job Perfection yes it will call You can't even use real people We give you an old rag doll Up at L. RON HUBBARD Up at L. RON HUBBARD
When life gets hectic Try dianetics It works you'll see With L. RON HUBBARD3 we're going back when planet earth was teegeeack We got the knowledge For the crossing the bridge Up at L. RON HUBBARD Up at L. RON HUBBARD Ron found the secrets That's why started Scientology People that stop you from L. RON HUBBARD We have a word for them L. RON HUBBARD We give them the blame We call them fair game Up at L. RON HUBBARD You start out you see Yes with auditing You go up the chart And you sounding sharp You yes can win With some niacin And LSD helps a case You learn all the moves and right things to say You make little model guys out of clay You hold onto to cans And get back your tans And OH those engrams BLOW!
Up at L. RON HUBBARD Up at L. RON HUBBARD We got the ideas real good It's L. RON HUBBARD sound to me What do they got a lot of sand We got the hot New Era Band Soon you'll beat'n All of your thetans Up at L. RON HUBBARD
We wouldn't fake it Someday you'll make it Up at L. RON HUBBARD L. RON HUBBARD's not a lier The wall of fire Soon you will cross through And you will feel new You got the real key Lots of auditing For TOTAL L. RON HUBBARD Special thanks to L. Ron Hubbard for inspiring this song thankyou L. RON HUBBARD L. RON HUBBARD L. RON HUBBARD




From: Mike Jackson <mjackson@NOSPAM.inet.att.co.kr>
Subject: Re: Unauthorized Use of Registered Trademark (fwd)
Message-ID: <75cous028thib80csgsog2alno63muoaah@4ax.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:02:58 GMT

Hhhmmm, but 15 USC 1064 had some interesting information:

U.S. Code as of: 01/05/99 Section 1064. Cancellation of registration
A petition to cancel a registration of a mark, stating the grounds relied upon, may, upon payment of the prescribed fee, be filed as follows by any person who believes that he is or will be damaged by the registration of a mark on the principal register established by this chapter, or under the Act of March 3, 1881, or the Act of February 20, 1905:

-----------------<snip>------------------------------------------------ (5) At any time in the case of a certification mark on the ground that the registrant (A) does not control, or is not able ^^^^^^^^^^ legitimately to exercise control over, the use of such mark, or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (B) engages in the production or marketing of any goods or services to which the certification mark is applied, or (C) permits the use of the certification mark for purposes other than to certify, or (D) discriminately refuses to certify or to continue to certify the goods or services of any person who maintains the standards or conditions which such mark certifies:

Provided, That the Federal Trade Commission may apply to cancel on the grounds specified in paragraphs (3) and (5) of this section any mark registered on the principal register established by this chapter, and the prescribed fee shall not be required. Nothing in paragraph (5) shall be deemed to prohibit the registrant from using its certification mark in advertising or promoting recognition of the certification program or of the goods or services meeting the certification standards of the registrant.

Such uses of the certification mark shall not be grounds for cancellation under paragraph (5), so long as the registrant does not itself produce, manufacture, or sell any of the certified goods or services to which its identical certification mark is applied.

This would be likened to my "evil twin brother" registering his name as a trademark, he can't legitimately exercise control over the name.

-Mike Jackson

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