----- Original Message ----- From: Lilah
To: Phineas Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: email

I've noticed in my deleted email folder there is an email from you.

You are on my block sender list Phineas. Don't bother sending any email or responding to this one, they are automatically trashed and even if I do see that they are there, like this morning, they won't be read. I have instructed Mother and Sandy not to forward any comm from you. Just to ensure there is no misduplication Phineas, I have disconnected from you.

Sorry things have come to this but when I saw where your head was really at, I had no choice but to disconnect from the venome you have against what I do spiritually - and I've commented on your venome several times. I suppose it wasn't the venome per se, but the fact that I saw nothing would change it.

I cannot be connected to someone who is so against me (and all my friends) spiritually and by whose actions are clearly destructive, though purporting, all the while, not to be.

If you have an ounce of consideration for our Mother, please do not discuss your views with her anymore, even if she asks. They never help, they only enturbulate her and there is no reason to do this.

Scientology has only helped her (via me) - so there is no constructive reason to try destroy the good rapport she feels for it.

Lilah,

*********************************** Dear Lilah,

I am saddened that you feel this way, for I have no ill feelings towards you. Your belief that I am against you and your friends is untrue. Yes, I criticize Scientology, and a lot of other things, too, and so does Andy Rooney.

If criticism were equivalent to hate, then it must true you hate everyone you love.

Despite your feelings towards me, I have no ill feelings towards you, and wish you well.

Sincerely, Phineas

From: idaj007@aol.com (IDA J 007)
Date: 28 Nov 2002 18:53:32 GMT
Subject: Re: My sister's disconnect letter to me.
Message-ID: <20021128135332.14102.00000128@mb-fm.aol.com>

Re disconnect letter to phin I repeat Phin, your family are the losers and I know that for sure. When you realize your sister can no longer think for herself you can understand. My "disconnect" came in the form of an affidavit all notorized to make it look important. The first one was mailed to my friend at Citizens Freedom Foundation in a booklet printed on the "Untruths of Ida Camburn". I found it ironical in that his name was spelled as Robert rather than his name which is Ronald. My friend called me and she was crying as she felt so badly that I would be hurt. I also noted that when they name had been corrected and it was mailed to me , my son signed it on the anniversary of his fathers death. Thus you get your disconnect letter the day before Thanksgiving which was meant to hurt you just a little bit more.

Please remember that you have many good friends and tho they cannot replace family, we are here for you . As the numbers increase that are among the "disconnected" our voices are heard by those that did not believe how an organization with "religious license" would act to curb free speech and punish those who see the truth. Now many more know.

Ida J. Camburn

Fair use SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE

>"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the
tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow "

L.Ron Hubbard The Science of Survival Book one. p. 157

From: "Phineas Fogg" <dont@kneejerk.com>
Subject: I must leave the ARS.
Message-ID: <yb_F9.9025$ta5.1014744@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 07:57:18 GMT
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net

The situation at home is too complicated, and my mother, not a part of the problem, doesn't understand, and I must leave to please her, during her last years, to give her peace, as well as everyone else in my family.

I wish my other family members well, best wishes, and good health, particularly Lilah.

I do not hate anyone. A survey of my posts will reveal that I am critical of certain ideas, some people, but I never deny anyone the right to do as they please, and if they are doing something with which I disagree, I will say it like I see it, but that is not hate.

I am maker of music, photography, and my spirituality is given on www.loveandspirituality.com (under my true name) which should dispel anyone's notions that I practice hate, which I most definitely do not.

Is there a person among us who has not criticized a loved one, or something that loved one has done?

If criticism is equal to hate, them it must be that you hate whom you love.

Good bye, all, 'tis been a pleasure knowing many of you on this forum, and I wish you all a Merry Christmas.

Phineas

From: Zorrosblade........Z <zorrosblade@operamail.com>
Subject: Re: I must leave the ARS.
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:02:26 -0800
Organization: Miscreant League of Gentlemen
Message-ID: <p83huu8n2um8uf1sgs1hn6b29curlke8sh@4ax.com>

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:01:31 -0000, "roland.rashleigh-berry"

<roland.rashleigh-berry@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>So your sister is using your frail old mother as a weapon to silence you.
>How very clamesque.
>

I agree, but suggest readers give him some slack for weighing priorities even if those new set of priorities have been manipulated into being by an outside source looking to create a *crisis* for him;

(sister). Some opt for continued free-speech no matter what scientologic/familial crisis's arise, while others feel they must restructure priorities, which means decisions, because a crisis doesn't appear to have a ready made solution from the old status quo.

Scientology/OSA understands this principle and *manipulates* crisis into being (by any means necessary) with the hope that new decisions will be forced on an individual so they won't have to take 'further measures'.. *That* pressure looks for a restructuring of priorities, with decisions to be adjusted from it's wake. Does that 'pressure process' for inducing crisis sound familiar against someone else we know?? It's a process run on a mark.

I wish Phineas the best---and want to remind him that decisions can be changed when unforseen solutions arise, to enable a restructuring of priorities once again. Just look for those answers in the future----and they'll be there.

Z-blade

>"Phineas Fogg" <dont@kneejerk.com> wrote in message
>news:yb_F9.9025$ta5.1014744@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> The situation at home is too complicated, and my mother, not a part of
>> the problem, doesn't understand, and I must leave to please her,
>> during her last years, to give her peace, as well as everyone else in
>> my family.
>>
>> I wish my other family members well, best wishes, and good health,
>> particularly Lilah.
>>
>> I do not hate anyone. A survey of my posts will reveal that I am
>> critical of certain ideas, some people, but I never deny anyone the
>> right to do as they please, and if they are doing something with which
>> I disagree, I will say it like I see it, but that is not hate.
>>
>> I am maker of music, photography, and my spirituality is given on
>> www.loveandspirituality.com (under my true name) which should dispel
>> anyone's notions that I practice hate, which I most definitely do not.
>>
>> Is there a person among us who has not criticized a loved one, or
>> something that loved one has done?
>>
>> If criticism is equal to hate, them it must be that you hate whom you
>> love.
>>
>> Good bye, all, 'tis been a pleasure knowing many of you on this
>> forum, and I wish you all a Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Phineas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

From: idaj007@aol.com (IDA J 007)
Date: 30 Nov 2002 21:37:03 GMT
Subject: Re: I must leave the ARS.
Message-ID: <20021130163703.27500.00003675@mb-mr.aol.com>

for Phineas

Dear one, I can understand your leaving and am proud of you for thinking of your mother. This organization knows how to cause the most pain and even when to pull it off.

I wish you happiness Phin and I am so glad that I had an opportunity to meet you. Perhaps we can meet again some day.

My wish is for your sister and family to discover the light at the end of the tunnel .

Sincerely, Ida

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