At 4:00 pm the matter was put to the Jury for deliberation. Stay tuned for the verdict.
Bob Minton
Jury had some questions and the Judge will reread the entirety of Sgt. Crosby's testimony back for the Jury. The reading will start in 8 minutes and might take 30-45 minutes. Jury will then deliberate some more. Stay tuned.
Bob Minton
The Prince jury is currently taking a 20 minute break and reports hopeless deadlock (no numbers yet).
Apparently a juror has become ill, and the jury has requested a break because the jury room stinks of vomit.
As Dave Barry says, I am not making this up. I guess Raftery is as disgusting as I'd heard.
More updates later.
This update as of 2036 EST.
ptsc
The split is 4-2 for acquittal. This jury appears to be quite discombomulated, with vomiting, crying and loud arguments.
Still awaiting decision.
ptsc
It took until 7:15 pm for the testimony of Crosby to be read to the Jury. They are currently continuing to deliberate. Stay tuned.
Bob Minton
On Thu, 24 May 2001 21:29:32 -0400, Bob Minton <bob@minton.org> wrote:
Sorry, but details to follow re hung Jury.
Message-ID: <3B0DC81C.8395A69C@spam.com>
From: Onimusha <no_spam@spam.com>
Subject: Re: Jesse Prince Trial -- Update 9:28pm -- MISTRIAL
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:53:49 GMT
Kevin Brady wrote:
> That's how I would take it, but I think it could also be a mistrial, which
> could result in it moving up to a higher circuit court- I really don't
> know. Maybe someone with more legal education could jump in and answer the
> question.
Not a lawyer here or legal expert, but I don't think it moves to a higher court. It can just get retried again.
Let's look at the definition via the "Burden of Proof" website (can you notice the irony here ?); http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/burden.of.proof/dictionary.html#3
MISTRIAL:
a mistrial simply means that the trial has been aborted. Mistrials occur in essentially two instances. First, a judge will declare a mistrial when something has happened rendering the trial proceedings unfair.
Second, if after much consideration and deliberation the jury can't reach a unanimous verdict, the judge will determine that the jury is hopelessly deadlocked and declare a mistrial (abort the proceedings.) Except in extraordinary circumstances, a mistrial merely means that the trial must begin again. This doesn't happen immediately in general but all parties and the court consult their respective calendars and select a new date.
In rare instances the trials are not re-tried. If, for example, a judge determines that a prosecutor deliberately injected something into the case which rendered the proceeding unfair, and did so with the intention of securing a mistrial for some tactical advantage, the court will not permit a retrial of the case.
Obviously in this case the judge would render this decision in order to punish a prosecutor.
Sometimes a prosecutor will decide that he/she does not want to retry the case. The reasons are varied, but usually a prosecutor will make that decision if he/she learns that the jury was voting 11 to 1 not guilty. A split such as that is an indication to a prosecutor that he/she is not likely to win at another trial and thus may make the decision not to waste the resources of the citizens.
Sometimes a defendant will decide to plea bargain after a mistrial. For instance, if after a mistrial, the defendant learns that the split was 11 to 1 for guilty, he/she may want to plea bargain with the prosecutor so as to limit the number of years that he or she may spend in prison if convicted at a second trial.
What a bunch of fucking idiots these people are. They have wasted huge amounts of public taxes on bringing a pathetic so-called crime to the courts only for it be called a mistrial.
I have no doubt that this whole process will happen yet again wasting even MORE money.
Who gives a SHIT whether someone has a SINGLE pot plant on their property? What the FUCK does this matter in the grand scheme of things?
What a FUCKING WASTE of public funds and resources. This entire case is an OUTRAGE for the citizens of Clearwater who are footing the bill for this vindictive attempt at character assassination thru lies, false evidence and hired criminals.
The only people who could possibly profit out of this are the Church of Scientology in their attempt to dead-agent Jesse Prince for another purpose altogether. To cast a cloud over his testimony in a trial where he will expose the viciousness of this false religion who murdered an innocent girl thru their idiotic beliefs.
This process is not without benefits however. This event will bring more bad press and negative publicity for this vicious cult than they could imagine from a million SPs.
The CoS mocks up their own enemies. This is the EP of OTXXX. Except they have not read it yet. It is locked up in a vault.
Yet another foot-bullet for the Church of the Lawsuit.
The Real No User.
And no raids since on the hundreds of others involved either as shills, brokers, accountants or cultie FSM shills who recommended Slatkin even though he was in total violation of the law.
And why are not criminal charges filed in the Raul Lopez case. Out and out fraud.
Whats with that anyway?
Maybe some court houses need to be picketed and some CD roms passed out to our elected officials.
Phil Scott
Message-ID: <3B0DDA40.8419B3CD@verizonmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:06:24 -0400
From: Mike Krotz <TampaPI@verizonmail.com>
Subject: Re: Death threat in Prince case???
From what I heard, the supposed death threat was against PI Brian Raftery.
I think it was a ruse to get the cameras turned off, as well as to get him an "escape route" out of the building, in the form of the State Attorney's private entrance. He evidently was so afraid of there being "too many people" in the area of the main entrance/exit to the Pinellas County courthouse, so Raftery slipped out "the back door" of the courthouse, much the same as he did the previous week when he was deposed.
Kobrin and her "associate" had already walked the length of the building (for no particular reason except to check the area for Raftery, this is in the back of the building) and they must have reported that I happened to be sitting outside in the area of the State Attorney's entrance. Raftery came dashing out of the doorway just as an older white Ford van pulled up. Raftery tried to cover his face, but I got some video of him. He jumped into the van and quickly ducked into the back. They then sped off in the van.
This was all a ruse, mostly aimed at preventing any video or pictures of Raftery and getting him "safely" out of the building. I have asked several bailiffs how common it is for a witness in a case to be allowed to exit through the State Attorney's private employee's entrance. They all said it never or almost never happens, except maybe in very "high profile" cases. Now as far as the court personnel were saying, this IS considered a high profile case, but I seriously question whether anything legitimately warranted this preferential treatment of Raftery.
MK GS1100 wrote:
> Can someone who's more familiar with Florida law explain this to me? Lawyers
> can get the cameras turned off ( thereby keeping their behaviour from being
> broadcast to the public ) by perjuring themselves to the court, and
> manufacturing "death threats"? No evidence is required, even in the case of a
> known barratrous firm like Moron & Kobra?
>
> What sort of judge exculudes the public from a trial like this based on the
> word of these jokers? Did de Vlaming object to this abuse of process?
>
> Whazzup?
>
> GS1100
The State Prosecutor described Jesse's trial as LMT v. Co$. If they want to retry it, I guarantee they will get what they want.
No jury in Pinellas county will ever convict Jesse Prince when they hear what Stacy Brooks and I have to say as witnesses for Jesse in the next trial.
Please remember this is the same State Prosecutor who was unable to prosecute the Church of Scientology for killing Lisa McPherson.
God only knows where the priorities of this incompetent office of "justice" really are and to whom they are accountable.
It's gonna be a hot summer in Clearwater.
Bob Minton
Message-ID: <3B0DE12E.2FADE659@verizonmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:35:58 -0400
From: Mike Krotz <TampaPI@verizonmail.com>
Subject: Mr. 5th Amendment
For me, a particular highlight of Dennis DeVlaming's closing argument in Jesse Prince's case today was when he described Barry Gaston as "Mr. 5th Amendment."
As to whether Gaston will ever really be tried by Bernie McCabe's office for the crimes he admits he committed while setting up Jesse...I will not be holding my breath. MK
On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:43:41 -0500, "Public <Anonymous_Account>" <remailer@xganon.com> wrote:
>What a bunch of fucking idiots these people are. They have wasted huge
>amounts of public taxes on bringing a pathetic so-called crime to the
>courts only for it be called a mistrial.
>I have no doubt that this whole process will happen yet again wasting
>even MORE money.
>Who gives a SHIT whether someone has a SINGLE pot plant on their
>property? What the FUCK does this matter in the grand scheme of things?
Nobody in their right minds gives a fuck except the few lunatics and morons who would gladly destroy the entire framework of Constitutional protections our freedom rests on, in order to get to the new version of witches. These are the same types of people who were burning witches a few hundred years ago, or hunting for "Commies" with their drunken psychopath of a leader, Joe McCarthy.
>What a FUCKING WASTE of public funds and resources. This entire case is
>an OUTRAGE for the citizens of Clearwater who are footing the bill for
>this vindictive attempt at character assassination thru lies, false
>evidence and hired criminals.
This is yet another example of how the "War on Drugs" increases corruption in government to the point that contempt for the law is at an all-time high. After all, why should anyone have respect for "Law & Order" when it's just a bullshit phrase meant to justify the complete insanity of a government that declares war on its own citizens.
The crazy "Drug Warriors" play right into the hands of organized criminals, who use drug laws to attack their enemies, since virtually by definition, the drug warriors, with their secretive cabals of liars, conspirators, perjuring cops, chickenshit snitches and the other riff-raff and criminal parasites who make their living at this sick racket, are corrupt crooks who will gladly lie in court to get another stat for their conviction, and gladly use the civil forfeiture laws to appoint themselves robber barons and steal people's houses like the Sheriff of Nottingham's men. If they can get a conviction with the assistance of Scientology's brutal thugs, they honestly don't care so long as they get a higher point value on their quota and maybe get to steal an honest man's house under forfeiture laws.
Everyone remotely associated with this twisted scam operation and vile perversion of law ought to be sent to prison for life.
Trying this in the first place was a joke, trying it again is a disgrace and just points out what a bunch of crooks these phony "Drug Warriors" are. They tell us they're "doing it for the children." Cry me a fucking river.
No wonder the jurors were vomiting.
ptsc
From: Bob Minton <bobminton@lisatrust.net>
Subject: Prosecutor Drops charges against Jesse Prince
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:10:59 -0400
Organization: The Lisa McPherson Trust, Inc., 33 North Fort Harrison Avenue, Clearwater, Florida 33755 Telephone: (727) 467-9335
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Just got the news at 2:10pm.
Bob Minton
From: Bob Minton <bob@minton.org>
Subject: Charges dropped against Jesse Prince
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:37:54 -0400
Organization: Lisa McPherson Trust, Inc., Clearwater, Florida
Message-ID: <ng9tgtsoi6grm6m3hr3j5fep9fsdapkaih@4ax.com>
At 2:10 pm we got the news that the prosecutor has dropped the charge against Jesse.
Thanks Mr. McCabe!
Bob Minton