In article <cruD4.63$J97.1463@news.dbn.net>, "Anti-Reg" says...>
>Any reference(s) by LRH on obtaining refunds or advance payment returns.
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>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!
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>Thanks
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>Sean Ostler
[posted & mailed] Sean, Here are some; I have most of them.Refund, Repayment, and Return of Advance Payment and Related Issues =================================================================== HCO PL 04 Jun 61 Refund Fee Policy HCO PL 12 Oct 61 Refund of Fee Policy Revised (cancelled by HCO PL 23 Oct 63) HCO PL 27 Feb 62 Refund of Fee Policy Revised HCO PL 23 Oct 63 Refund Policy HCO PL 23 May 65 II Rebates HCO PL 31 Jul 66 Refund Notice HCO PL 01 Aug 66 Refund Addition HCO PL 03 Feb 69 II Legal - Standard Waiver HCO PL 07 May 69 Policies On Sources of Trouble HCO PL 23 May 69 Dianetic Contract HCO PL 23 May 69 Parent or Guardian Assent Forms HCO PL 05 Feb 70 II Scientology Refunds Writ of Expulsion and Waiver BPL 05 Feb 70R Scientology Refunds BPL 29 Jul 71R II Penalties For The Hiring or Recruiting of Institutional or Insane Persons BPL 04 Apr 72R How A Registrar Prevents Refunds of Pre-Payments HCO PL 09 Nov 74 Refunds and Repayments BPL 14 Nov 74 Refund Repayment Claims BPL 10 Mar 78 I Illegal PCs and Refunds HCO PL 29 Sep 80 CVB Policies Scn PD 28 Jul 82 ScnPD #25 Cancellation of HCO PL 29 Sep 80 Scn PD 28 Jul 82 ScnPD #26 Urgent Important Refund Repayment Claims Scn PD 28 Jul 82 ScnPD #27 Scientology Refunds Writ of Expulsion and Waiver === Warrior - ex-Sea Org and $cientology-trained Finance Specialist Sunshine disinfects - See http://warrior.offlines.org
"...I have always promptly and immediately caused to be refunded every penny of the money paid by any person who was dissatisfied with his or her processing."
and "I have only worked then with these three policies:
1. Refund at once in full any refund demanded;
2. Work hard with tech staff to ensure good results;
3. Forbid the sale of further processing to anyone receiving a refund and make the case known to Scientologists."
and "A tough refund policy injects aberrated stable data against the confusion of bad or poor technical service. A mild refund policy keeps [the] technical [division] on its toes."
and "The new policy then is:
1. Refund any fees when and as demanded whether for training or for processing;
2. Refuse further and all future training or processing to anyone demanding a refund as the condition of refund;"
= HCO Policy Letter of 31 July 1966 "Refund Notice", by Hubbard says:
"It is IMPORTANT that every posted scale of fees and every rate card bear the following notice prominently displayed at the bottom:
FEES PROMPTLY REFUNDED TO ANY DISSATISFIED STUDENT OR PRECLEAR"
=== My advice to anyone requesting a refund from Scientology is to demand that the organization apply these Hubbard policies. If the orgs won't, then I suggest taking copies of these policies to the press, contacting the IRS, the Better Business Bureau, the Attorney General, and government agencies, as well as instigating legal suit if necessary.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org/
"The suits listed on pages 10-20 through 10-22 each have their own set of facts and assortment of claims, but for the most part are of the same general character. They involve frivolous claims by "crazies" who think they can make some money suinq Scientology; suits against former spouses or business associates naming the Church to seek a tactical advantage;
and a considerable number of suits inspired by the Cult Awareness Network, which bombards the person with negative information about the Church and then refers them to an attorney who tells them they can sue the Church and get rich. (See the "Introduction To Question 10" for further information on CAN). There are a few instances, like the Rabel case, where a stereo speaker fell from the window of a Scientology mission injuring someone walking below, where there was a valid claim which the Church equitably settled. Not one of the cases asked about in Question has been adjudicated by a court; thus all the claims listed are unproven.
Because many of these suits are refund suits, it is useful first to review the Church's refund policy. It has been a long-standing policy of the Church that if someone is dissatisfied with their Scientology services and asks to have their contributions returned within a three month period these amounts will be returned. Likewise, if the person asks for return of ccontributions for which no services were received (i.e. an advance payment), there is no three month limitation period.
Anyone newly enrolling in services at a Church of Scientology is informed of the policies and signs an agreement to abide by them. As a further condition of receiving a refund or repayment, the person understands that they may not again receive services from the Church.
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Within the Church, there are two separate terms: A "refund" refers to a
return of contributions to a parishioner within 90 days of participating
in religious services while a "repayment" refers to a return of a
parishioner's advance payment before he or she has participated in
religious services. For simplicity, the following discussion will use
the term "refund" to describe both types of transactions, because both
involve a return of parishioner contributions.
The Church's refund policy is exceedingly fair. If someone isn't happy with Scientology -- which is a very small minority of people -- he simply has to make a proper request for his donations back, agree to forego further services and his donations will be returned. For the Church, in addition to the fact that this policy aligns with Scientology principles of exchange, it also serves the purpose of allowing our churches and the parishioners who are very happy with Scientology, to carry on without the unhappy few in their midst.
The presence of a considerable number of refund suits in the following list is directly related to the influence of CAN and CAN attorneys. As described in the "Introduction to Question 10," CAN's modus operandi is to seek out anyone who is unhappy with Scientology feed them negative information and then refer them to an attorney. The CAN attorney then convinces the person that he can not only get a refund of his donations, but by allowing the attorney to handle the claim he can get damages as well, and possibly get rich. As will be seen in the descriptions of the cases that follow, almost one for one such suits are ultimately settled for the refund amount the person could have obtained in the first place simply by requesting it.
It is also of interest that we know of no suit filed for refund that wasn't instigated by CAN. In fact, the Church rarely has any refund requests, by suit or otherwise, except when instigated by the IRS- sanctioned CAN. And in most cases, further discussion reveals the person was quite happy with his service at the Church and seeks his money back only after CAN has told him how "terrible" Scientology is."
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Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org
>Within the 'Church,' there are two separate terms: A "refund" refers to a
>return of contributions to a parishioner within 90 days of participating
>in religious services
Aside from the obvious fact that the cultists and their lawyers are
gargantuan liars, this is very helpful for every person who wants his
or her money back.
If you're past the 90 days from when you were last on course or last had auditing, just attend one of the cult's "Sunday Services" in some org somewhere, anywhere. *Then* immediately demand all your money back.
The cult will of course claim that its "Sunday Service" is not a "religious service" so they don't have to refund your money. *Then* immediately write this into an affidavit, post to a.r.s., and send to the proper officials in every country where the cult is trying to get "charitable status" or tax exemption, and to the IR$.
Remember, if you're past the 90 day period, just walk into some "Sunday Service" in some org or franchise somewhere, and *then* demand your refund. And tell everyone you know who believes it's too late to get a refund to do the same thing. As long as you can sneak into a "Sunday Service," it's never too late for a full refund.
Pick an org or franchise where no one knows you. Document your attendance at the "Sunday Service" in some way, with names of the cultists involved in the "Service," photos, etc. *Then* demand your refund, because *then* your 90 days will start.
Act now, and get your friends to act now, because with this new "Sunday Service" service the $cientology cult may not be able to cover all the refunds much longer.
Pass the word. Attend a "Sunday Service" somewhere, and *then* demand a full refund of every cent you ever paid to the $cientology scam.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
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