Back to the Seventies
by Lisa Gibson
I think enough time has gone by. It is time give out the facts about my story First, no one that ever webbed my story as provided by my sister Lavenda or Steven Fishman ever asked me what happened. They took the word of my sister and assumed Steven Fishman was telling the truth in his "book" Lonesome Squirrel" and on his web site Regarding Louie Pagliaro I dated Louie for a short time when I was on staff in HCO [ HCO is what scintologists call the "ethics" department that also sends mail out and routes mail coming in ] at Las Vegas [ scientology] org.

Louie was not on staff but was a public "OT"

I was told to stop seeing him because he was not a 'staff member'.

I did so He had a problem with that and I heard later he requested a refund and started questioning OT levels.

He told me that he had spent 50,000 in Scientology going up the bridge I had been on staff about 4 months.

It was there that I met my future husband David Sandweiss He had been in Scientology for years We both left Scientology and got married Sometime later. Chuck and Madeline ‘Maddy' Reese of the Go [ Guardians Office now called OSA ]came to out to our apartment.

They wanted us to ruin the career of a local Psychiatrist Chuck Reese made the comment that I could be driving a cadillac just like he did.

In the meantime Louie Pagliaro had started living with an OT Showgirl named Pat.

She went on the road with the show. I heard they had befriended a homeless man.

Louie was later found murdered.

Cut up and stuffed in a plastic bag in his living room The police were looking for the "homeless guy"

Later, David called me one day from a hotel, said he had been gambling all day met a rich guy and his freind and they invited us to join them for dinner and a show.

I joined them and it was all very weird...They gave us a room, they made us uncomfortable all evening. One of them kept looking angry, kind of pouting. I recognized him later as Quentin Hubbard.

The next day David confessed he had 'had sex' with one of the guys. That afternoon before I arrived, when I asked him if he wanted a Gay lifestyle he said no. He was a little drunk, and things got out of hand....

After that our marriage fell apart. He had decided to work for the Guardians Office, now called 'OSA" and we went our sepreate ways.

He had decided to work for the Guardians Office, now called 'OSA" and we went our separate ways.

But we wrote letters to each other as freinds A few years later, I was traveling from Florida to seattle
I had a connecting flight in Las Vegas and had some time to kill
Enough time to go visit my ex husband David
I knew his address from the letters
I decided to surprise him
I picked up a bottle of champagne and two glasses
I knocked on the door.
A very hostile man answered it.

He was not pleased to see me.. I told him who I was...

I thought he was hostile because I was an ex-scientologist
I could hear them talking discussing that I was there
I waited
5 minutes later, a second man brought David to the door
He looked sleepy, looked as if the the other guy was helping him stand up straight For the first time ever, David said some very cruel things to me and told me to leave I left the bottle of wine and the glasses I had brought at the front door With a note that said "have a nice life " Lisa David was a good man I went to the front of building and called a cab I heard someone running over the rocks, and I thought david had changed his mind.. and then I realized it was the two guys from David's apartment I stepped back into the bushes and waited for them to leave
I heard one of them say "Look over here"
I hid in bushes untill they went back inside.
I realized then that David said those mean things to protect me

After I arrived in Seattle Washington and then heard that David Sandweiss, my ex-husband had blown his brains out. I also found out years later that David died 2 months after Quentin was found dead in his car "in the desert"

For years I thought I was alone and never told anyone until 1996 when I thought I needed to protect my sister Lavenda She took my story and twisted things around and used it to gain credibility with Arnie Lerma She stole my identity, and made him think she was me Also at the time she was associating with Steven Fishman again - who in my opinion has worked both sides of the street for many years just as Lavenda. worked both sides of the street Think what you wish the whole of the truth will all come out sooner or later Lisa Gibson PS: In 1996 while I was on the web I also saw a picture of Steven Fishman He was the same man in the hotel that night with Quentin Hubbard I heard rumors David was Quentin's lover for some time, i don't belieive it When I saw Quentin, he was very sad.

(c) 2000 Lisa Gibson
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"

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The materials were stolen by Lavenda Van Schaick, an ex- member, from Gerry Armstrong, an ex-member, who was Omar Garrison's research assistant at the time. I recovered these materials from an air conditioning duct in Lavenda Van Schaick's sister Lisa's apartment, during a raid in which Lisa Van Schaick was raped as a diversionary tactic by two Sea Org staff members. I had occasion to read these documents before turning them over to my senior (supervisor), ADG (Action Deputy Guardian) Fred Hare of the Guardian's Office, who had ordered the mission.

==== Is this accurate?

Tilman From: Arnie Lerma <www.lermanet.com> <Arnie_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Back to the Seventies - the deaths of Scientologists David Sandweiss and Louie Pagliaro
Date: 12 Sep 2000 14:05:30 -0700
Organization: lermanet.com
Message-ID: <8pm5qq$6r8@edrn.newsguy.com>
In article <59osrscbccq4t8gq6vbjh5ndjvimff5mio@4ax.com>, Tilman says...

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>Fishman claims this:
>
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>The materials were stolen by Lavenda Van Schaick, an ex- member,
>from Gerry Armstrong, an ex-member, who was Omar Garrison's
>research assistant at the time. I recovered these materials from
>an air conditioning duct in Lavenda Van Schaick's sister Lisa's
>apartment, during a raid in which Lisa Van Schaick was raped as a
>diversionary tactic by two Sea Org staff members. I had occasion
>to read these documents before turning them over to my senior
>(supervisor), ADG (Action Deputy Guardian) Fred Hare of the
>Guardian's Office, who had ordered the mission.
>====
>
>Is this accurate?
nope >
>Tilman
no, at least part of this is fabrication, there was never "a raid in which Lisa Van Schaick was raped as a diversionary tactic by two Sea Org staff members. "

In this one sentence, the name used "Lisa Van Schaick" is fictitious Lisa Gibson is one person, the nick known as Flash45 on IRC undernet, Lavenda Van Shaick is one of Lisa Gibson's SISTER's many names...

Who is Lisa Van Schaick ? this is a fishman confabulation Re the 'rape' and 'raid' - Lisa Gibson knows nothing about this...

as far whatever Lavenda might have said, her credibility is zero.

as she says whatever she needs to say to accomplish whatever nastiness she is up to.

Re Steven Fishman's 'story' it is a story...

Ask Steven about Quentin He wont talk about that i bet..

I suspect thats his Ace in the hole keeping him alive...

Arnie I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.

The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"

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