Thanks for posting this, Theta.

No where is there more proof that a Scientology-controlled society would destroy our civil liberties.

This essay, called "Honest People Have Rights, Too.", was written by Hubbard in the early 60's after he had released security checking broadly to the general Scientology population. He had received an avalanche of criticism for it, and in this essay he justifies the destruction of the civil liberties of Scientologists in order to invade their private lives for purposes other than "therapy".

This essay shows the way Hubbard used emotionalism and specious reasoning to pervert a Scientologist's concept of rights in order to get them to accept a fascisistic culture that would certainly undermine their freedom (as they traveled on the Road to Total Freedom!).

Scientolgists read this emotion-packed essay daily and never realize what its ramifications would be if allowed to be generally accepted in society.

When Scientologists agree with the ideas in this essay, they never realize that are agreeing to become Fascists.

First lesson: Do not let L. Ron Hubbard be your civics teacher!

See my commentary below.

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"Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:18e81488.0201260824.7f679de3@posting.google.com...

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> HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO
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> After you have achieved a high level of ability, you will be the first
> to insist upon your rights to live with honest people.
> When you know the technology of the mind, you know that it is a
> mistake to use "individual rights" and "freedom" as arguments to
> protect those who would only destroy.
By the way, how does one prove that a person "would only destroy"?

Is that actually something that can be proven? I think that the only thing that could prove that a person would only destory is a good witch hunt.

Other than that, it can't be proven. But that's all you need to have your rights suspended in any Scientology controlled environment.

If you can be found to be a person who would "only destroy", then your rights to ownership, due process of law, etc. are suspended.

Here Hubbard tries to undermine the right to due process.

> Individual rights were not originated to protect criminals but to
> bring freedom to honest men. Into this area of protection then dived
> those who needed "freedom" and "individual liberty" to cover their own
> questionable activities.
This is utterly false. Individual rights were originated to protect citizens of a soveriegn state from the capricious and unjust whims of aristocratic rule. And, as it happens criminals do have rights in our Western civilization. They have a right to due process, to be free of cruel and unusual punishment. They have a right to a lawyer, a right not to incrimnate themselves. In fact, there were many rights that were originated to "protect criminals" - even after they have been found guilty of crimes in a court of law.

> Freedom is for honest people. No man who is not himself honest can be
> free - he is his own trap. When his own deeds cannot be disclosed,
> then he is a prisoner; he must withhold himself from his fellows and
> he is a slave to his own conscience. Freedom must be deserved before
> any freedom is possible.
Here Hubbard uses a Scientology view of overts and withholds to undermine the concept civil freedom. "Freedom must be deserved before any freedom is possible." This is one of the most fascist statements Hubbard ever wrote.

The US was founded on the principle that rights and freedom are inalienable and inherent within each of us. Hubbard here sets it up for the Church to be the arbiters of freedom. If his statement is accepted, then the Church can decide who "deserves" freedom and who does not.

This is complete fascism.

> There is only one way out for a dishonest person - facing up to his
> own responsibilities in the society and putting himself back into
> communication with his fellow man, his family, the world at large. By
> seeking to invoke his "individual rights" to protect himself from an
> examination of his deeds, he reduces, just that much, the future of
> individual liberty - for he himself is not free. Yet he infects others
> who are honest by using their right to freedom to protect himself.
> Uneasy lies the head that wears a guilty conscience.
Here again, Hubbard undermines one's civil right to due process, and to the right to be free of self-incrimination by mixing Scientology platitudes with civil law. "You feel sad when you lie" is not the same order of thought as "The authorities can strip you of all your freedom if you lie."

> And it will lie no more easily by seeking to protect misdeeds by pleas
> of "freedom means that you must never look at me." The right of a
> person to survive is directly related to his honesty.
"The right of a person to survive is directly related to his honesty." Look at that sentence.

Here in America, the right to survive has to do with *being born*. No agency hands out rights in America. You have them just by being alive. The US goverment was founded on the principle that no "authority" less than God can take them away, unless found guilty of crimes in a court of law under the rules of evidence, etc.

The right of a person to survive has nothing to do with his honesty. If I lie a lot, do I really have less of a right to survive?

This is extremely illogical. This is L. Ron Hubbard.

> Freedom for man does not mean freedom to injure man. Freedom of speech
> does not mean freedom to harm by lies.
> Man cannot be free while there are those amongst him who are slaves to
> their own terrors.
Now THIS is great. Man cannot be free while some people are scared? So now man can only be free if no one is scared?

> The mission of a techno-space society is to subordinate the individual
> and control him by economic and political duress. The only causality
> in a machine age is the individual and his freedom.
This document proves that the only casuality in a Scientology controlled society is the individual and his freedom! And that's probably only ONE of the casualties!

> To preserve that freedom one must not permit men to hide their evil
> intentions under the protection of that freedom. To be free, a man
> must be honest with himself and with his fellows.
In a practical manner, Hubbard is saying that if one is to preserve the freedom of all of us, then one must not permit the 4rth and 5th Amendments to the Constituion to stand. Because those are the rights, recognized by the US Constitution, to allow men to "hide their evil deeds". Otherwise, the government would recognize no private ownership rights and no rights to due process and freedom from having to testify against one's self - all abuses that are inflicted on Scientologists daily.

In a Scientology-controlled society none of us would have any 4rth and 5th Amendment rights.

> If a man uses his own honesty to protest the unmasking of dishonesty,
> then that man is an enemy of his own freedom.
This is what Hubbard had to say to Scientologists that protested his totalitarian use of sec checking.

> We can stand in the sun only so long as we do not let the deeds of
> others bring the darkness.
Emotionally Platitudinal.

> Freedom is for honest men. Individual liberty exists only for those
> who have the ability to be free.
Freedom is for everyone. "Individual liberty exists only for those who have the ability to be free." Oh, this really pisses me off!!!

> Who would punish when he could salvage?
But who could salvage using Scientology?

No one.

> Only a madman would break a wanted object he could repair.
This is completely non-sequitur.

> The individual must not die in this machine age - rights or no rights.
> The criminal and madman must not triumph with their new-found tools of
> destruction.
What new-found tools are those? The concept of human rights? Is Hubbard actually saying that the concept of human rights are the "new-found tools of destruction"?

> The least-free person is the person who cannot reveal his own acts and
> who protests the revelation of the improper acts of others. On such
> people will be built a future political slavery where we all have
> numbers - and our guilt - unless we act.
Everyone has withholds, even Hubbard said that. And how many peope have you seen who protested the revelation of the improper acts of others? Does this happen all the time? Or was this just written as a response to criticism Hubbard received after he released more abusive sec checking practices?

> It is fascination that blackmail and punishment are the keynotes of
> all dark operations. What would happen if these two commodities no
> longer existed? What would happen if all men were free enough to
> speak? Then, and only then, would you have freedom.
"Dark Operations", "blackmail and punishment" are "commodities"? We don't have freedom until blackmail and punishment no longer exists? Give me a friggin break! This is emotional horse shit.

> On the day when we can fully trust each other, there will be peace on
> Earth.
Horse shit!

> L. Ron Hubbard
> Founder of Scientology
Anyone who belongs to a religion that contains a "Bridge to Total Freedom"

must value freedom. If that is so, then I urge every Scientologist to read some of the works of Locke, Hume, Voltaire, Jefferson, Paine and others who helped develop the philosophy of rights and establish the first governments on Earth founded on the principles of the protection of individual rights and freedom.

Start with the American Declaration of Independance and the Bill of Rights.

Have a dictionary handy. Demo out the concepts of "inalienable", "due process", etc. Really get what they are saying. And then compare that with what Hubbard says about rights in this, and other essays.

This is a fascist document. "Intolerance Online" is a Fascist organization spreading fascist propaganda.

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