I did not relate this event in my story that is here on the net. One of many I left for another day. In that the Insider is getting such a rap as to whether

his post is accountable -this may add one more to his findings today. The cult has not changed.

In August of l976 we went to visit a young man who we were told had left the SO. He was at work where a family member had employed him. He was a handsome young man approx thirty with the most beautiful blue eyes. I felt that I could look through his eyes to the other side -I didn't know then that over processing changes ones eyes if only temporarily. We talked for an hour his telling us why he left the sea org. He said his wife came to him one day and said "We have to get out of this place , come see our baby". He went to where the young sea org children were watching over the small ones. The baby was lying on a soiled mattress and she was covered with sores. They had two other youngsters there also. Within days they left and fortunately had a relative who helped them. He told us how there was a plant in the Health Department so when someone complained to them the person was alerted. This would put everyone in the SO in a big rush to clean out the "nursery" All the filthy mattresses would be shoved into one room along with other things showing the room was overcrowded and unclean. The door would be locked. All the children would be taken out and to a park leaving one or two there so as to look that the place was used. The health inspector would come in and give an all OK and leave. The children would be brought back and that was it.

The young man who had left started to write a book. Was not long til he had several 'visitors' from the Org informing him that could not be. A short time later we got the message due to the fear of the threats he changed his name and the young couple with their children moved to another state. I purposely made myself forget his name as I would never have wanted to reveal it to anyone. I only wish them after all these years they are safe and sound and their children are now out of college, working and enjoying freedom. It is hard to believe that happened 28 years ago. It is also hard to believe the abuses and the fear still prevails and apparently the Health Dept. ignores complaints.

Ida Camburn

You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.

Eric Hoffer

<p><hr><p> Subject: Re: the First ex Seaorg member I met in l976
From: Warrior <warrior@xenu.ca>
Date: 9 Oct 2004 21:07:00 -0700

In article <20041009191145.05810.00003869@mb-m27.aol.com>, Ida wrote:

>
>I did not relate this event in my story that is here on the net. One of many
>I left for another day. In that the Insider is getting such a rap as to whether
>his post is accountable -this may add one more to his findings today. The
>cult has not changed.

>In August of l976 we went to visit a young man who we were told had left
>the SO. He was at work where a family member had employed him. He was
>a handsome young man approx thirty with the most beautiful blue eyes. I
>felt that I could look through his eyes to the other side -I didn't know then
>that over processing changes ones eyes if only temporarily. We talked for
>an hour his telling us why he left the sea org. He said his wife came to him
>one day and said "We have to get out of this place , come see our baby".

>He went to where the young sea org children were watching over the small
>ones. The baby was lying on a soiled mattress and she was covered with
>sores. They had two other youngsters there also. Within days they left and
>fortunately had a relative who helped them. He told us how there was a plant
>in the Health Department so when someone complained to them the person
>was alerted. This would put everyone in the SO in a big rush to clean out the
>"nursery"
>All the filthy mattresses would be shoved into one room along with other things
>showing the room was overcrowded and unclean. The door would be locked. All
>the children would be taken out and to a park leaving one or two there so as to
>look that the place was used. The health inspector would come in and give an
>all OK and leave. The children would be brought back and that was it.

>The young man who had left started to write a book. Was not long til he had
>several 'visitors' from the Org informing him that could not be. A short time
>later we got the message due to the fear of the threats he changed his name
>and the young couple with their children moved to another state. I purposely
>made myself forget his name as I would never have wanted to reveal it to any-
>one. I only wish them after all these years they are safe and sound and their
>children are now out of college, working and enjoying freedom. It is hard to
>believe that happened 28 years ago. It is also hard to believe the abuses and
>the fear still prevails and apparently the Health Dept. ignores complaints.

>
>Ida Camburn

It is true that Scientology had a plant inside the LA County Health Inspector's Office. Steve LaMarr, the Assistant Guardian for the Cadet Org, admitted this in Cadet GO ED #4 of 5 May 1979 titled "PARENT BRIEFING ON ANNEX AND PT SCENE".

Here's a post where I mentioned this, amongst other things:

From: Warrior
Subject: More on Illegal Conditions for Sea Org Children
Date: 2000/05/04

In article <37d7a9cf.10005250@nntp.lightlink.com>, mreuss@mciworld.com says...

>
>To appease Cornelius Krasel's sense of fairness, I believe this is
>where he says one is obligated to point out that it is only a small
>minority of Scientology parents who are in the Sea Org and so only
>a minority of Scientology parents are ripped apart from their small
>children by these insane policies.

I didn't see [what] Cornelius said. Perhaps only a small minority of Sea Org members these days are parents, but when I was in (1975-1983), parents did not comprise a small minority. The year prior to my joining the Sea Org (1974), parents did comprise a small minority of SO mem- bers. L Ron Hubbard's Communicator for the United States, Lt. Toby Young (Robert Vaughn Young's ex-wife, by the way), called all SO par- ents together to brief them on Hubbard's orders regarding the Cadet Org. At that time, there were *very* few parents who were SO mem- bers, as shown by Scientology management's Aides Order 203-71:

"LRH Comm US at the time [1974] Toby Young called all PAC parents together and briefed them on the [Hubbard] advice [euphemism for an order]. ... However there was no correct organizational set-up done for the Cadet Org at the same time and the scene rapidly deteriorated again. There were also only approx 20 parents at the time and while the number of parents rapidly increased soon afterwards".

Between 1975-1983, approximately 30% of the Sea Org members in PAC (the LA area) were parents. Here are some actual figures on the number of children in the Cadet Org from the Sea Organization's Aides Order 203-71 "PAC Cadet Org / Cadet Estates Org Establishment Eval" of August 28, 1981:

"There are 339 children in PAC SO orgs as of Mar 81:

0 - 1 years old - 30 1 - 2 years old - 30 2 - 3 years old - 44 3 - 4 years old - 23 4 - 5 years old - 28 5 - 6 years old - 41 6 - 7 years old - 14 7 - 8 years old - 16 8 - 9 years old - 12 9 - 10 years old - 21 10 - 11 years old - 10 11 - 12 years old - 12 12 - 13 years old - 18 13 - 14 years old - 8 14 - 15 years old - 12 15 - 16 years old - 6 16 - 17 years old - 11 17 - 18 years old - 3 Total = 339"

Prior to 1981, many parents left the Sea Org ("routed out" or "blew" rather than be separated from their children) or were ordered to leave ("fitness boarded"). The means by which Scientology accomplished this is by ordering a "Fitness Board" to be convened upon any member who was suspected of not producing a sufficient quantity of "VFPs" ("valuable final products") to warrant the expense to the SO of caring for their children. Not only were existing SO parents "routed out of" the Sea Org (if their production wasn't high enough), but *no* new pregnancies were permitted amongst existing SO parents, and *no* new members with children were allowed to join the Sea Org unless they could establish their "worth" before joining (see below).

There is an issue that addressed this very situation. It was issued by the LRH Comm Network International (the network that enforced Hubbard's orders).

The title is Executive Directive Network 26 PAC of June 29th, 1979, "Pregnancies and Babies in PAC". It was issued broadly to "ALL PAC EXECS AND CREW" [all caps in original order].

It stated in part:

"It is important that CCO [Child Care Org] be given the chance to become set up to ensure our children are cared for optimumly and trained for their future [as Sea Org members]. We have alot of work to do on the third dynamic [as a group] here in PAC and alot to handle and the time and work having to be expended to cope with the expanding baby population at CCO can be better directed toward this.

Therefore the following rule is established:

"FROM NOW UNTIL THERE ARE ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL FOR THE CCO AND THAT ORG IS SET UP TO HANDLE BOTH EXISTING SEA ORG CHILDREN AND FUTURE EXPANSION, THERE ARE TO BE NO MORE BABIES OR PREGNANCIES IN PAC. [all caps in original]

"Any couple violating this rule will be subject to immediate Fitness Board to determine whether they are sufficiently a facility differential to their org and the Sea Org to warrant the expense, manpower and space required to care for their child. If the Fitness Board finds that they are not, they will be routed out.

"Any person recruited for a PAC Org who has children must be weighed against his value to the SO versus the expense and work of caring for the child or children.

"Before any person with children is routed in [allowed to join the SO] a CSW [Completed Staff Work] showing the person's worth and how the org is going to accomodate for the children at CCO must be approved through Sr HCO PAC [the Senior Hubbard Communications Office PAC]."

As I have noted, the above order was issued in 1979. By 1981, the situation at the Cadet Org was so bad that an extensive "handling" had to be done to avert a "major legal flap", as revealed by the following excerpts from the Aides Order 203-71:

"Due to the recent filthy conditions of the CEO and the criminal behaviour of the children the area has become a PR and Legal threat to the Church."

The month before Executive Directive Network 26 PAC was issued, Steve LaMarr, the Assistant Guardian for the Cadet Org issued Cadet GO ED [Cadet Org Guardian Office Executive Directive] #4 of 5 May 1979 to all PAC parents and Child Care Org staff and "those concerned". The issue was entitled "PARENT BRIEFING ON ANNEX AND PT SCENE". It stated, with regards to one potential "legal flap":

(Note that an "ally", i.e., someone on the inside of the LA County Health Inspector's Office, helped tip Scientology that they were about to be raided.)

"in Feb. the hepatitis scene happened and we were swarmed over by County and State Health Inspectors. The County Inspector (an ally) found out about the existence of the Fountain [an illegally operating child care facility] and said this is not OK and let's quickly work together and handle it. He continually predicted an attack from another agency and was not able to say which one. We found the Annex [a vacant building at 1845 N. Bronson Avenue, next to Celebrity Center] could be used and was legal with a small amount of renos and started to work.

Sure enough, we were raided by 2 Special Agents of the State. But because of our taking full responsibility for our scene and well into having the Annex ready for use, there was nothing they could do to us. I will not go into detail of what they could have done but will indicate that we were suited in 1974 for running illegal child care and this would have been our second offence. First time we got probation and you could imagine what the second offense would have gotten us."

Lest anyone think that the deplorable and illegal conditions at the Cadet Org were an isolated occurrance, consider the following excerpts from Aides Order 203-71. This issue was released following an observation mission sent to PAC to do a "handling" of the long-term situations which existed at the Sea Org's child care facilities.

Here is what the Board of Directors found. These findings were presented by Larry Price, the Sea Org Evaluator, and were approved by Scientology's Watchdog Committee for the Board:

"PAC S.O. CHILDREN BECOMING A LIABILITY RATHER THAN AN ASSET."

"Numerous reports of out-ethics and criminal behaviour by PAC children, i.e. out-2D [illegal sexual conduct], stealing, etc."

"Quite a number of children are behind their grade level on studies in the public school system (which is absurd since we have study tech and wogs don't)."

"As shown by the Stat Section the Cadet Org and CEO scene is wildly off the rails and the scene has become very degraded.

PAC SO children instead of becoming valuable personnel assets are in many cases becoming criminals."

"the CO Cadet Org put on by the 76 mission, Bob Raffe, was criminal and sadistic to other Cadets. He was removed mid 77 after he handcuffed another Cadet to an electrical outlet and nearly electrocuted him."

"Looking into this [Cadet Org] it was found that the CEO also had a large number of DBs ["degraded beings"], criminals and perverts posted in it. Some of these would slap the cadets around"

"Parents have dumped their parents hats on SO. SO has consistently dumped its Cadet hat on parents in PAC (a fact I just recently added up [Hubbard's words!]) by using them as a via. The result has been a ruddy old mess of no responsibility on either side - a between two chairs scene."

"the SO has also continued to neglect their hat [responsibilities] with respect to Cadets as shown by the fact that they have continually put their unwanted or reject staff into the CEO and have done nothing effective to handle the degraded conditions that the Cadet Org and CEO [Cadet Estates Org] recently fell into. The GO [Guardian Office US] recently had to bypass to get the place adequately cleaned up to pass an official inspection [by government health authorities] and avert a legal flap."

"A recent survey of PAC parents and mgmt terminals showed that they considered children to be mainly just a 2nd Dynamic activity. And their actions as covered in this eval[uation, i.e. Aides Order 203-71] show they do not view children as a PT resource worth investing a lot of time or effort in."

"DUE TO THE LACK OF IMPORTANCE GIVEN TO CHILDREN (AS PER ABOVE) THE CADET ORG AND CEO HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE HANDS OF UNQUALIFIED AND (IN SOME CASES) CRIMINAL CHILDREN AND ADULTS" [all caps in original]

This last sentence sums up Scientology's position towards the children of Sea Org members. By my own experience, Scientology's Sea Org continually neglected the children of its Sea Org members. For years, the Cadet Org operated under filthy, degraded conditions. The existing child care staff were in many cases severely unqualified to care for children, and to make matters worse, the Cadet Org was grossly understaffed with sufficient personnel. In fact, much of the time I was in the SO, the Cadet Org was operating its child care facility in violation of California codes which pertain to the required legal ratio of child care workers to children.

My own son, when he was around 6-7 years old, used to sneak out of the Cadet Org facility on Fountain Avenue to get away from the degradation. His nanny, Joanne, seldom noticed that he was absent. One time he was picked up by the Hollywood Police Department after he was found lost and wandering the streets alone on Hollywood Blvd. one evening while I was on post.

I grew increasingly disgusted with the lack of care for SO children (not just my own child). After realizing that Scientology management consistently failed for years to provide a sufficient number of qualified child care workers, I left the SO.

After leaving the Sea Org I was to learn of the sexual abuse my son and three other young boys between 6-7 years of age suffered while in the Cdet Org at the hands of their male nanny, who used to threaten them into performing illegal, perverted sex acts.

Again, I quote from Aides Order 203-71:

"Looking into this it was found that the CEO also had a large number of DBs ["degraded beings"], criminals and perverts posted in it.

Some of these would slap the cadets around"

I wish my son had "only" been slapped around instead...

I attest that the above is true.

Warrior - Sunshine disinfects http://warrior.xenu.ca

>You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to
>frighten you.

>Eric Hoffer

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