> shy____david@my-deja.com wrote:
> I think that is one reason why ethical developments have been
> arrested. Instead of looking for reasonable win rules that
> all could buy into, moralists are preoccupied with a need to
> combat selfishness.
Well, my forged self, I would say the opposite: ethics are genetically coded as well as based upon selfishness--- one cannot divorce the nature from the nurture. "Morality," on the other hand, tend to be based on selfishness with little or no reason other than selfishness:

"morals" are codes of conduct mandated by the herd to make the herd mentality homogonous enough so that a pretense of peace and harmony among the herd is maintained. That means that individuals suffer for the sake of the society they find themselves in--- often that suffering is arbitrary. I consider morality selfish for that reason, among others.

P.S. You don't "do" me very well.
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