Dead agenting on www.legalspring.com

Dead agenting on www.legalspring.com Scientology
I've sent the following request to www.legalspring.com:
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Webmaster legalspring.com

I want to inform you that all information about me on this page
are lies posted by the cult of Scientology:

http://www.legalspring.com/articles/misc-legal/20041116/394599_Andreas-Heldal-Lund.aspx

This is the method of "black agenting" they use to discredit
their critics. I request that I am allowed to post a rebuttal or
that you remove the lies.

I would appreciate that you confirm receipt of this request.
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Andreas Heldal-Lund
www.xenu.net
phone: +47 88 00 66 66
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Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund  #  home.online.no/~heldal  #  www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
---------------------------------------------------------------
Each of us does what we can do.  Our obligation is  to do it as
well as we can,  with as much  grace,  dignity,  integrity  and
honor our egos can tolerate.
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From: Andreas Heldal-Lund 

Subject: Re: Dead agenting on www.legalspring.com

Organization: Operation Clambake

Message-ID: <4usb819lkjj3mqohk4733fhec9h0vrov7e@4ax.com>

Date: 14 May 2005 14:54:48 +0200


For the record I want to document the lies about me posted by
the cult and their agents:

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Home / misc.legal / Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Andreas Heldal-Lund
Get More Information Here
Copyright can be found here!
11/16/2004 11:19:05 PM
I made a web site to inform others about my concerns.
It is not unbiased or objective, and it never claimed it was."
Andreas Heldal Lund

Andreas Heldal Lund's biased and un objective "concerns" are
based on propaganda, lies, distorted information, unsolved cases
and products of "revisionism" written by people such as one of
Willis Carto's writers Arnie Lerma. Faxhor

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"Heldal Lund is a member of the Heathen Society of Norway,
a religious hate group dedicated to the destruction of
all organized religion, particularly Christianity."
Religious Freedom Watch Organization
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Andreas: Come to think of it, no racists or murderers have ever
done anything to me personally... should I reconsider
what I have against them?
Yeah right, that makes a bunch of sense.

Faxhor: The Heathen forgot to mention anti religious bigots
who make death threats.

Andreas: You forgot to add that you promote lies about things
and persons you know absolutely nothing about.
I know me very well and I know just as well that what
you claim above are lies. But if it gives you meaning
and makes you tick to lie... )

Where did I lie?

First of all I never called Andreas the anti religious bigot
who makes death threats. I said that he forgot to mention them
in his "no racists or murderers" philosophy. Why is Andreas
defending?

Secondly, I do not CLAIM that Andreas is a Heathen and a member
of the Heathen Society of Norway. Andreas "claims" it himself
on his website:

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http://home.online.no/~heldal/me.html
ABOUT ANDREAS
"Proud member of Hedningsamfunnet
(The Norwegian Society of Heathens) . . ."
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Is it true that the Heathen Society seeks to eliminate all
organized religion, specifically the Christian religion?

Here is one definition of HEATHEN that I believe fits Andreas.
One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or
unenlightened.

Maybe he is "civilized" but he definitely is irreligious and
unenlightened.

I'll give you some quotes that he has selected for his website:

"Humanity's first sin was faith the first virtue was doubt."

"There is a God, but He drinks"

http://home.online.no/~heldal/journal.html

How can anyone trust any "concerns" evaluated by faulty logic
from a HEATHEN in regards to spiritual philosophy and
organization.

Andreas: It doesn't bother me. I link to that DA page filled
with lies about me and use every opportunity to show
all I meet it to show how this cult operates.

Faulty evaluation again by Andreas the Heathen. Religious
Freedom Watch protects religious freedom for most major
religions.
It is not a cult, it is a watchdog organization. It "operates"
by exposing people like Andreas in defense of religions that are
under attack by anti religious information that has been
broadcast
on international mediums such as the WEB, USENET and IRC.

Andreas: Try to find someone who knows me and ask them what
they think about your lies about me.

LIES? Who's lies? Where did *I* lie?

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Faxhor: Mirror this, its a picture of Andreas (registered owner
of a major dupe data website):

"In June 1995 Heldal Lund was arrested for
conducting a hate march against the Lutheran
Church at their anniversary."
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/lundarrest.jpg

Andreas: Another lie from Scientology, I was not arrested...

What is that picture of Andreas with his hands behind his back
with a police officer?

If it is not an arrest then perhaps Andreas has an explanation
to set the records straight.

Andreas: ... and have never been (I don't even have a speeding
ticket). But do you care what is true? Most likely not.

If I didn't care I would not have offered Andreas the
opportunity to explain the photograph. I care what is true, I
just dont care who the truth hurts.

Andreas: You just don't like that people like me express a
different opinion . . .

Now Andreas is lying. Everyone is entitled to their own
opinion, but false statements are not opinions, they are lies.
That I "dont like that people like (him) express a different
opinion" is more than just an opinion because it is false
statement about me.

Andreas: . . . and all you are able to do is to lie about us
since you can not defend yourself against the criticism.

Andreas jumping the gun. Where did *I*, Faxhor, lie? I am
not defending against any criticism, I am putting Andreas up to
scrutiny. It is freedom of speech.

If Andreas doesn't like my spotlight then he never should
have taken center stage.

Andreas: You are weak and a coward.

Where did that come from?

What makes Andreas think I am weak and a coward? That is
Andreas' opinion and to quote the Heathen: "persons you know
absolutely nothing about."

Andreas: Keep up the good work, you are a living evidence of
why this cult needs critics like us.

That doesn't make sense to me considering that I did not do
what Andreas the Heathen claims I did.

Andreas: Take care.

Does he really mean it?

Andreas: BTW: And your real name was, you said?

Is Andreas hallucinating? I never "said" what my real name
was. Faxhor is my pen name that I use on USENET. Why do I
use a pen name instead of my real name? Because my life has
been sabotaged for 10 years by corrupt individuals. Don't
worry I know who it was and it wasn't Andreas. If anything
Andreas may have been subject to the same harrassment as I was,
he just no longer notices it because he unwittingly has become
their dupe.

I do not know that Religious Freedom Watch is lying. I trust
their judgement because I have found their claims to be true
in my own research. Below is everything that they have to say
about Andreas Heldal Lund. If anything is incorrect, then take
it up with them as I am not in any way connected to Religious
Freedom Watch.



Faxhor

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Copied from Religious Freedom Watch Organization
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund1.html

ANDREAS HELDAL LUND

According to Andreas Heldal Lund, Free Speech carries no
responsibility and this would explain why he is a perpetrator of
death threats against members of the Scientology religion and
why he created an Internet "contest" that incites other
extremists to commit crimes against the Church and its members.

Heldal Lund claims that if anything is wrong or inaccurate on
his website he will correct it, yet he failed to remove death
threats posted on his message board.

Andreas Heldal Lund's hate for religions is well known. In June
1995 Heldal Lund was arrested for conducting a hate march
against the Lutheran Church at their anniversary.

Heldal Lund claims that the information on his website is
publicly available. However, he omits t11/17/2004 7:12:22 AM

"Faxhor" faxhor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c901bee5.0411162319.75e26134@posting.google.com...
> "I made a web site to inform others about my concerns.

> It is not unbiased or objective, and it never claimed it was."

> Andreas Heldal Lund

>

> Andreas Heldal Lund's biased and un objective "concerns" are

> based on propaganda, lies, distorted information, unsolved cases

> and products of "revisionism" written by people such as one of

> Willis Carto's writers Arnie Lerma. Faxhor


Unfortunately, there's so much to be biased *about*...

C

11/20/2004 12:17:37 AM

"Faxhor" faxhor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c901bee5.0411162319.75e26134@posting.google.com...
> "I made a web site to inform others about my concerns.

> It is not unbiased or objective, and it never claimed it was."

> Andreas Heldal Lund


[sssssnip]

> Faulty evaluation again by Andreas the Heathen. Religious

> Freedom Watch protects religious freedom for most major religions.


No it doesn't. It champions ONE "religion", the Church of
Scientology. Click
on a link for another religion on RFW's front page, and it'll
send you off
to that particular religion's home on the web. It's called
"lipservice",
"deception" or "passing the buck"

1/3/2005 2:27:10 PM
1. ANDREAS WAS ARRESTED.
2. SCIENTOLOGY DID NOT LIE ABOUT 1.
3. ANDREAS LIES ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY AND HIMSELF: "Another lie from
Scientology, I was not arrested... " Andreas Heldal Lund

Anonymous

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund7.html

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:32:32 +0100 (CET)

From: [name deleted] religiokrist@yahoo.no

Subject: Information on Norway

To: webmaster@religiousfreedomwatch.org

Here are two letters of possible interest to you website,
I appreciate your efforts of exposing discrimination.

[name deleted]



Dear Sir,

Though we have different religious believes there is a common
religious intolerant we share, an atheist called Andreas
Heldal Lund. He persecutes Christians in Norway.

We have written letters of complaint to authorities in Norway
regarding abusive activities conducted by Heldal Lund. Another
complaint is written for the Ombudsman. Heldal Lund tries to
discredit Christianity and quoting Martin Luther out of context.
His bigoted propaganda violates our right to practice our
religion. Heldal Lund lies generated intolerance and not
understanding. His hate of our Lord's Church instigates others
to commit acts of bigotry and violence.

In June 1995 Heldal Lund and three other members of the Heathen
Society attempted to disrupt our religious celebration and get
media attention in their action of bigotry, we were there.
The police arrested and gave the demonstrants a fine. They
illegally went to the roof of the amphitheater where we were
having our celebration and displayed insulting banners against
the Lutheran Church.

Andreas Heldal Lund is not a sincere person because he only
tells his side of the story to get newspapers to print falsities
about the Lutherans. His education level is very poor and he is
not a scholar or expert in religion. He likes to make
propaganda for the Heathens or the Humanists, but he doesn't
know what he is talking about and hurts other people's feelings
for believing in the Lord.

Heldal Lund received in 2003 an obscure award. The award was
organized by a German Lutheran priest. We informed the German
Lutherans that Heldal Lund was the webmaster of the Heathens in
Norway and they promote offensive cartoons about Christianity
on their web site (copies below). Heldal Lund, prior to
receiving the award, had his name removed from the Heathen web
site.

We owe an apology to your church because we were informed by the
Bishop Office in Germany a friend of Thomas Gandow, complained
that your church launched the worst attack against them.
Heldal Lund was referred to as an active atheist who attacks
Christianity and that even the Bishop was informed of his
activities. All of that is true, but Gandow's friend had no
idea that we are the ones offended by the cartoons. Those
cartoons which Heldal Lund did not removed, are still on the
Heathen web site. Heldal Lund was fast to get his name removed
from the web site to avoid problems with the German Lutheran
Church. Heldal Lund does not believe what he professes. If he
had nothing to hide or fear why did he get his name removed from
the Heathen web site before he received the award?

Even if we are offended by the cartoons that Heldal Lund
endorses we want to show you what kind of hatred this man
supports, so we are attaching copies of them to this email.
We hope you will continue to inform the world to the actions
of people like Heldal Lund so that their anti religious lies
are made known.

This is not a official letter from the Lutheran Church but we
feel the continuous abuse and harassment to Christian believers
done by Heldal Lund is a human rights violation because he
doesn't only express his ideas but his words and action have
caused hatred and violence.

We have written it both in Norwegian and in English so anyone
can read our outrage about such bigotry.

God bless you.
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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund7.html
1/7/2005 5:03:12 PM
REPOST

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Copied from Religious Freedom Watch Organization
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund1.html

ANDREAS HELDAL LUND

According to Andreas Heldal Lund, Free Speech carries no
responsibility and this would explain why he is a perpetrator of
death threats against members of the Scientology religion and
why he created an Internet "contest" that incites other
extremists to commit crimes against the Church and its members.

Heldal Lund claims that if anything is wrong or inaccurate on
his website he will correct it, yet he failed to remove death
threats posted on his message board.

Andreas Heldal Lund's hate for religions is well known. In June
1995 Heldal Lund was arrested for conducting a hate march
against the Lutheran Church at their anniversary.

Heldal Lund claims that the information on his website is
publicly available. However, he omits to mention that over the
past several years he has been publishing the names of
parishioners, merely because they are Scientologists, on his
website ridiculing their religious beliefs and certainly Heldal
Lund did not ask their permission to mentioned their names on
his hate site. Perhaps Heldal Lund considers the violation of
Scientologists?privacy "free speech" too.

In an effort to inflame American anti religious extremists into
reviving their flagging hate activities, Andreas Heldal Lund
offered such "prizes" as a child's stuffed toy wearing a hate
slogan to be awarded to those who conduct the "best" hate march
in front of Scientology churches. Heldal Lund's website is a
source of hate rhetoric that promotes death threats against
Scientologists, recommending specific means by which they should
be assassinated, and encourages violent actions against the
Church itself.

Heldal Lund's announcement encourages extremists to carry out
"imaginative stunts" against their targets and demands the use
of "pictures/video/sound" as proof that these acts of
intimidation and harassment have been carried out.

Heldal Lund is a member of the Heathen Society of Norway, a
religious hate group dedicated to the destruction of all
organized religion, particularly Christianity.

Heathen Society
The following is taken directly from the Heathen Society of
Norway's website:

"Our goal is to contribute to the reduction of the overwhelming
strength the church and Christianity have in Norway, with its
exceptional position in Norwegian laws, school and culture. We
also want to make people aware of the harmful side of
Christianity and of all organized religions"

"Especially, we will work against the State Church and other
religious power structures."

With regard to Christianity, the website states:

"Many people think that Jesus was the kindest man who ever
lived. And in this belief they are members of the State Church.
If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus actually was the
Bible's only
Hell prophet."

Heldal Lund first appeared on the anti religious hate scene in
1994 when he suddenly turned up at the Heathen Society's door,
volunteered to start the local chapter in Rogaland, and at once
began attacks against Christianity. This intense flurry of
activity included writing several articles for the Heathen
Society's magazine, "Between Us Heathens," that are clearly anti
religious in nature and target the Christian Church. In March
1996, Heldal Lund and then leader of the Heathen Society, Halvor
Raknes Johansen, conducted a campaign aimed at denying
Christians the right to the practice of baptizing newborns.

Copyright Anarchist
Heldal Lund's activities quickly spread from attacking the
Christian Church to attacking the Church of Scientology. As part
of this hate agenda, he willfully violated copyright laws and
may have conspired with others to do so.

The following documentation was sent to Religious Freedom Watch
from Norway.

On November 6, 1996, just prior to posting copyrighted materials
on the Internet, Andreas Heldal Lund sent this email to a
Norwegian psychologist (and fellow member of the Heathen
Society) stating that he had retained the services of attorney
Knut Vigeland:

"Lawyer Knut Vigeland in Oslo will take the thing. The action
will start on one of the next coming days. I will start working
on a press release now, if you have a very extensive and updated
list with flux numbers I would like to have a copy of that, or
if someone can help sending it out. Corrections and other
proposals to the page are appreciated, the address is
temporarily [web address removed].

Regards Andreas Heldal Lund."

On November 7, 1996, the day after hiring this attorney, Heldal
Lund began posting Church of Scientology copyrighted materials
on the Internet.

Following are some of the parties whom Heldal Lund contacted by
email on 20 November 1996 informing them of the details of his
copyright infringement plan:

Zenon Panoussis
Ron Newman
Dave Touretzky
William Barwell
Ted Mayett
Per Lundquist

All of the above are known anti religious extremists who have
made documented attacks against the Church of Scientology. Zenon
Panoussis is a known copyright anarchist who was sued and fined
in Sweden for copyright violations.

Ironically, Heldal Lund is employed by Iron Mountain, a
prestigious company that provides records and information
management services in the United Kingdom, France, Spain,
Ireland, Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria and
the Netherlands. Iron Mountain is very sensitive about data
security with regard to both their clients and employees.

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund1.html
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On 14 May 2005 14:48:40 +0200, Andreas Heldal-Lund -
www.xenu.net <heldal@online.no> wrote:

>I've sent the following request to www.legalspring.com:

>

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>Webmaster legalspring.com

>

>I want to inform you that all information about me on this page

>are lies posted by the cult of Scientology:

>

>http://www.legalspring.com/articles/misc-legal/20041116/394599_Andreas-Heldal-Lund.aspx

>

>This is the method of "black agenting" they use to discredit

>their critics. I request that I am allowed to post a rebuttal or

>that you remove the lies.

>

>I would appreciate that you confirm receipt of this request.

>Please let me know if you have any questions.

>

>Best regards,

>Andreas Heldal-Lund

>www.xenu.net

>phone: +47 88 00 66 66

>[END]

>

>Best wishes,

>Andreas Heldal-Lund  #  home.online.no/~heldal  #  www.xenu.net

>Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway

>---------------------------------------------------------------

>Each of us does what we can do.  Our obligation is  to do it as

>well as we can,  with as much  grace,  dignity,  integrity  and

>honor our egos can tolerate.

>-------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----


Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund  #  home.online.no/~heldal  #  www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
---------------------------------------------------------------
Each of us does what we can do.  Our obligation is  to do it as
well as we can,  with as much  grace,  dignity,  integrity  and
honor our egos can tolerate.
-------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----
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