>Subject: Re: Talon Security - Co$ Spammers?
>From: Grady Ward grady@gradyward.com
>Date: 6/2/00 10:45 AM Central
<androidcat99@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> I seem to recall that Talon Security is WISE or other connected to Co$.
>>> They dropped this turd in my mailbox (LART dispatched):
>>>
>>> From: "Talon Security" <childsafety1@excite.com>
>>> To: <androidcat99@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Please Read to Protect Your Children
>>
>>I got it too!
>>And yes, I recall hearing that Ben Shaw from Talon Security was
>>snooping around the Caltech campus some time in 1995, looking
>>for the mysterious "-AB-".
>And a Mr. Rice from Talon was Warren McShane's personal armed
>bodyguard when I deposed the now ex-president of RTC in 1997.
>Grady Ward grady@gradyward.com http://www.gradyward.com/
>voice (707) 826-7712 fax (413) 832-2600
In 1977 a German TV producer, Franz Tartarotti, came to the US to film a program on Scientology for German television. He and his crew came to my home outside of Chicago to interview me on my experiences as a former scientologist and a CAN staff member. Tartarotti, while in the US was followed 24 hrs a day by up to five cars of scientology agents. Two cars followed Tartarotti to my home and attempted to disrupt his visit to my home. These two cars were parked outside my home. I called the police and they questioned the three individuals who were in these two cars. The police 'inadvertently' allowed me to see two of the drivers licenses. The two names were Angel Casillas and Thierry Duchanauc. They were indentified as working for Talon Security with an address in California. I did not get the name of the third guy who was very tall with white hair. Would this be Ken Rice?

These three were ordered to leave our subdivision. When tartarotti and his crew went to leave I left with them to escort them to the freeway as they were going into Chicago.

Coming out of our subdivision there were three cars waiting for us and followed us. As we got on to a major thoroughfare outside of our town, the car with Casillas and Duchanauc tried to force my car off of the road. I filed another police report but by then these guys were gone.

I found out later that Thierry duchanauc is on staff at the Washington D.C. Org.

Talon Security is definitely tied in with the Scientology cult although like all scientologists they will lie and try to deny it. Talon has a website and I emailed the President of Talon about their scientology connection. He, of course, denied it.

If anybody has Additional informationon Talon Security, please post it.

JimDBB

Are we sure, that the NC P.O box based Talon Security, is the Scientology infested Talon?

Who in his right mind, would send money to a company that really only exists in a P.O box? Yeah well, I guess that they can always get some money out of the deluded followers of L Ron Hubbard.

Furthermore, I have so far not been able to find Talon in any other place, except a couple of URL's that goes to a company with that name, but located elsewhere. I do not think these URL's really is connected to the P.O box Talon, we are talking about here, even though it obviously is in the same kind of business. Or might it be that the below URL's is to the Scientology infested Talon, and the spamming Talon, is just a spammer?

http://home.swbell.net/rpinson/
http://members.xoom.com/pinsonint/ To me, it looks like The scientology infested Talon Security, is somewhat in hiding. Now, where on the tone-scale was it now that hiding was? :-) Might it actually be so simple, that Talon Security, is only a name and a P.O box, that OSA is using for its criminal operations against the critics?

Anyhow, I'm sure we will be able to find their crimes too.

Watch out Scientology infested Talon Securities and/or OSA. It seems as if you have been preparing for another footbullet, with those spam letters.

Sten-Arne, yours for finding the crimes of Scientology.

>Are we sure, that the NC P.O box based Talon Security, is the
>Scientology infested Talon?
No, it isn't.

The Scientology-infested Talon's address is Talon Executive Services, Inc. 9114 Adams Avenue, Suite 429, Huntington Beach, California 92646 * Phone (714) 434-7476 * Fax (714) 434-7350 and 810 - 3rd Avenue, Suite 14064, Seattle, Washington 98104 * (206) 224-0874 * Fax (206) 467-9264 >Who in his right mind, would send money to a company that really only
>exists in a P.O box? Yeah well, I guess that they can always get some
>money out of the deluded followers of L Ron Hubbard.
From the fact that this Talon Security spam has been reported on news.admin.net-abuse.email I think it's not targeted at critics to piss them off, but it just some dumb spammer with the same name.

>To me, it looks like The scientology infested Talon Security, is
>somewhat in hiding. Now, where on the tone-scale was it now that hiding
>was? :-)
No, the Scientology-infested Talon is still where it has always been at http://www.talonexec.com This used to have a link for Janet Holsclaw the PI who harassed Gerry Armstrong but it went away after it was posted to ars.

ptsc

>Anyhow, I'm sure we will be able to find their crimes too. Watch out
>Scientology infested Talon Securities and/or OSA. It seems as if you
>have been preparing for another footbullet, with those spam letters.
Curiouser and curiouser. I just did a search for Janet Holsclaw nationwide and I get two Janet Holsclaws, both of them in North Carolina, one of them 57 miles from McLeansville NC.

I did the search on anywho and the maps on maps.yahoo.com but I'm not posting the data because of the vague possibility this is coincidental.

It could be that this Janet Holsclaw got fired from the other Talon and hijacked the name, or that this Janet Holsclaw just happened to end up in North Carolina. . .

Coincidence? Hmm.

This bears more examination. This Holsclaw used to be on the webpage for Talon Executive Services, is now in North Carolina, and there is a spamming Talon Security operating out of some PO Box 57 miles away. Pretty fishy.

57 miles away is close enough to drive to pick up fraud checks from some PO Box and also far enough away to have some distance from the cops there.

ptsc

>From: "Talon Security" <childsafety1@excite.com>
>Talon Security Dept B1
>P.O. Box 699
>McLeansville NC 27301
(Full headers at end of article.)

It just happens that I know a little something about "Talon Security."

Remember the incident a while when the Church of Scientology hassled anon.penet.fi and this resulted in it being shut down?

http://www2.thecia.net/~rnewman/scientology/anon/caltech-pi-visit details a PI visit. Among those PIs was one Ben Shaw from "Talon Security."

http://www2.thecia.net/~rnewman/scientology/anon/penet.html is Ron Newman's page on that whole affair.

I also recall an incident where Scientology critic Gerry Armstrong, who has been savagely harassed including attempted homicide by vehicle, was harassed by a Janet Holsclaw, from "Talon Executive Services." Their web site is at http://www.talonexec.com and used to have Janet Holsclaw on it. She is not on it any longer. They pulled off all the Scientology-related PIs from their page a couple years ago after the URLs were posted to alt.religion.scientology.

At first, I thought that this "Talon Security" business was probably just coincidental; it's not THAT uncommon a business name as they go, a quick search for "Talon" on anywho.com pulls up a lot of names. And I thought SURELY after all this trouble the last thing a Scientology-infested PI firm would be doing is spamming the net. Because that would be STUPID. MAJORLY stupid. ESPECIALLY the particular despised PI firm that helped shut down the much-beloved anon.penet.fi.

Ken Rice, Thierry Duchaunac, Ben Shaw and Janet Holsclaw are known PIs who have identified themselves as being with "Talon Executive Services" or with "Talon Security." Talon Executive Services is in Seattle, WA. Talon Security is in McLeansville NC or at least has a PO Box there. Perhaps a coincidence. My interest was piqued enough to look a little closer. If there's anything I despise more than Scientologists it's spammers, and well, the very idea of Scientology spammers makes my blood boil. On anywho.com the names "Ken Rice" and "Ben Shaw" are so common as to be totally useless. The elusive Thierry Duchaunac is also, of course, nowhere to be found. But I find a Janet Holsclaw 57 miles away from McLeansville in King, NC and another entry (perhaps a previous house) 130 or so miles away in Lenoir, NC. I'm not posting that info because you can look it up yourself and it's just *possible* that this Janet Holsclaw is not the same Janet Holsclaw who used to be listed on the Talon Executive Services website.

And it's just possible that the only Janet Holsclaw in the country just happens to be within driving distance of a PO drop box for a spam-based fraud with the very same name as the Scientology-related PI company that shut down anon.penet.fi.

And it's just possible that monkeys will fly out of my ass.

IMNSHO, this spam is from a Scientology PI firm and Janet Holsclaw is behind it, or knows who is.

This information is worth what you paid for it. I hope some brave spam-clobberer knows what to do about this. Since it seems likely these are the same clowns who shut down anon.penet.fi, spam from them should be savagely and brutally punished in the most heinous way imaginable, with no mercy whatsoever, to the fullest extent permissible within the law.

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From: "Talon Security" <childsafety1@excite.com>
To: <rnewman@thecia.net>

Subject: Please Read to Protect Your Children
Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:36:06
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06/04/00 11:52:27 whois talonexec.com Registrant:

Talon Executive Services, inc. (TALONEXEC-DOM) PO Box 8509 Fountain Valley, CA 92728-8509 US Domain Name: TALONEXEC.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:

Ford, David (DF532) david@KALIFORNIA.COM Pacific Tradewinds 16761 Viewpoint Lane, #309 Huntington Beach, CA 92647 714-843-4977 (FAX) 818-718-4104 illing Contact:

Williams, Ron (RW7466) rwilliams@TALONTECH.COM 9114 Adams Avenue, Suite 429 Huntington Beach , CA 92646 714-434-7476 Record last updated on 11-Apr-2000.

Record expires on 13-Sep-2000.

Record created on 12-Sep-1996.

Database last updated on 4-Jun-2000 01:00:09 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.TALONTECH.COM 208.179.68.67 NS.KALIFORNIA.COM 208.179.0.2

Good for you to check this out.

The webpage for Talon Exec. Services in Huntington Beach, CA, has no trace of Scn in it or of anything indicating Scn values.

(Scn businesses generally openly or in coded language let Scns know where they are coming from.) The three principals' background and interests bear no resemblance to what you would expect from a Scn entity. The partner Carolyn Peters has 30+ years of history and connections with psychological groups and institutions and it would be impossible for someone with her background to work with hardcore Scientologists on OSA ops.

Whoever Talon of NC is, they chose to send their spam from "Dept B1". Not A3 or C2 or anything else, but B1, which in Scn orgs is the part of OSA responsible for dirty tricks (or is it B2?) -- is this coincidence, or just another way to chill and intimidate ex-scns who know about B1?

The connection to Janet Holzclaw has to be highly probably key here. People don't just move from Orange County, CA to NC, for no reason and simultaneously have OSA dirty ops begin in the Scn-less world of NC.

I'd speculate that Talon of CA expelled the Scn element.

These people look very, very stright to me.

I'd also speculate that Talon of NC is a pure OSA function just pretending to be a business, and if they are just working as an OSA agent they don't want to have a website or otherwise make themselves known to the general public.

Ed

Subsequently, I discovered that Thierry Duchanauc is on staff at the Washington, D.C. Org. He was driving the car that tried to run my car off of the road...an ugly incident that neither my companion nor I are likely to forget.

I queried the Pres. Of Talon via their website about Talon's scientology connections. He denied them, of course.

JIMDBB

She had no business proposition to offer, but about 20 rapid fire questions regarding my business's, customers, data bases, and areas.

attached below is a FWD from ARS on Talon Security, the same firm that sent email to cult critics a few days, email btw that has resisted copy, cut paste and forward...but many other critics confirm they got it too.

Please notice that Talon has been involved in some rather ruthless potentially lethal activities, this report is one of many, they also went after LW, Gerry Armstrong and Jessie Prince,.. staging accidents and lying to the police.

Now kiddies here is a clue for you....if you are a cult op, or actively defending the criminal cult and stalking etc. and any of this activity either from yourself or from Talon or whomever ends in someones death YOU will be investigated as complicit, and if any link is found the police will charge you as a co conspiritor in murder.

I suggest one get a clue about just who and what this cult consists of, its NOT a spiritual issue.... or a religious issue, this cult is protecting billions in graft, espionage and money laundering rackets.

Best Regards, Phil Scott (see talon fwd following)

ptsc

>In 1997 Ken Rice, Thierry Duchanauc and Angel Casillas were detained
>by police outside of my home.
In late 1993, Angel was the "Invest Media Preps I/C" in "EAB"--the "External Affairs Bureau" at OSA Int, where Moxon's office was located, too, at the time. And, BTW, in the same "EAB" was another interesting and very confidential post - believe it or not: "Snow White/FOIA I/C EAB OASI."

>They were listed on the police report as working for Talon security
>in Hunington, CA. Subsequently, I discovered that Thierry Duchanauc
>is on staff at the Washington, D.C. Org.
Isn't that special--where Moxon hung his hat during the 1975-1977 GO/Snow White debacle--while Meade Emory, co-founder of Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) rocked in his executive office chair down the street at IRS. And Moxon is now attorney for CST.

>He was driving the car that tried to run my car off of the road...an
>ugly incident that neither my companion nor I are likely to forget.
And "ptsc" ptsc@my-deja.com wrote:

>Ken Rice, Thierry Duchaunac, Ben Shaw and Janet Holsclaw
>are known PIs who have identified themselves as being with
>"Talon Executive Services" or with "Talon Security." Talon
>Executive Services is in Seattle, WA.
Well, isn't this special: home of Meade Emory and Leon Misterek, co-founders of CST. And Ben Shaw is "former" NSA.

What a neat little package.

All of which raises the question: Anti-Cult - who do YOU work for? I notice you love to ridicule anyone who even gets close to closing these ever-narrowing gaps between government agencies and the $cientology corporate machine.

Government definition: "Paranoid" - anyone who starts finding out what is really going on.

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