Dear [XSO poster],

Thanks for your comments below. I wholly agree with the idea that a Scientology movement follower ends up being guided to agree with LRH. That is such an important realization to come to!

I, while on the RPF (almost 7 years of decks and RPF, 95-2003), while getting the almost 2,000 hours total auditing, came to that exact conclusion. That a person in the Scientology belief system, is simply that, only allowed the parameters of the LRH choices of what is "wrong" and "right", all guided by LRH's ideas. One has to reach a certain expected EP, to finish an auditing rundown. One has to modify one's views, critical ones, to be allowed further auditing on the subject of one's auditing program, meaning one's natter is FESed, errors found, and corrected, before one goes on. All this subtle accumulation of FES error handling shows one that to "progress", one needs to be "free" of all sorts of ideas that one's C/S and auditor consider "natter". The opinions of the practitioners (C/S, Auditor, RTC Tech Review people, Snr C/S Int Office tech review people, Cont Snr C/S, org Snr C/S, Review Auditors, Flag FESers, etc.) all end a pc up with being guided into do's and don't's, and any intelligent pc sees what wastes their $$$, and thus is guided into a behavior response to avoid paying for "cleanup."

I'd see my co-audit twins being crammed, to contain me. It is a real unfolding experience, one is inevitably guided into certain types of responses, trying to keep one's thoughts all going in alignment with LRH's ideas about how people act. The limits that LRH gave man, in general, in his tech, are the limitations of the responses that a person is allowed to answer. One is slowly trained, conditioned, unfortunately, by the gradual adoption of the views that LRH himself concluded about life, and thus in the end one isn't necessarily freer, but one is guided to view the whole track beliefs that LRH has. With the auditor's code, no pc is ever invalidated for their peculiar quirky differences, but administratively, in the Sea Org, if a Sea Org staffer believed they contacted aliens, around earth, this lifetime, then it was an out-qual if one insisted on such outlandish beliefs. I know, a staffer in INCOMM insisted on this lifetime alien contacts, and he was fitness boarded out. He was allowed his beliefs, but the combination of the administrative do's and don't's, with the auditor's code rulings about not invalidating people's beliefs, the truth is that people with beliefs of contacting LRH telepathically, are NOT acceptable beliefs in the higher organizational ranks, and instead this is grounds for NOT allowing such beliefs to be in any way causal within the ranks.

On the Int RPF, I saw people's "cases", their "case" beliefs, being guided by LRH's views, so that their "case" imaginings or thoughts, were influenced by what those Sea Org members knew LRH to have said about LRH's opinions of things and world events.

That to me, is a significant "follow the leader" type thing, which despite what LRH has written, is an inevitable sideline difficulty that will always be around the Scientology movement.

It is one of the problems, a main one, of a "one-man-show" operation, like Scientology is.

Because Scientology deals with people's past life memories, and involves a certain amount of spirit activity without bodies, etc., this opens the door to opinions about what the limits of acceptable reality is as regards to past lives and the out of the body spirit activity. LRH's views are the unofficial guidelines.

This is all very similar to other religions. Only thing, in other past religions, other people's opinions were more allowed to arise and be discussed.

Scientology was so constructed by LRH to disallow extensive open discussion that would invalidate one or another member's views about these same areas.

Rightly or wrongly, I came to the overall conclusion that the wider world's freedom of discussion is better, and I think it better that one suffer the invalidation or questioning of one's beliefs.

I vote for freedom to discuss, and for learning how to discuss things so that the subjects stay alive, and are always open to discussion, rather than closed, shut, and sealed.

I think unfortunately LRH positioned his ideas in a permanent package, as if they now in the underground vaults, represent the greatest of mankind's accomplishments in the areas that LRH is writing about.

There is a lot to look at, and I'd much prefer that LRH's whole body of thoughts, were available, all the SIR advice libraries, all his archival writings, the whole body.

Let it all out, let it all be discussed, and let those who are still living who know about those detailed but still undiscolosed "advices" and other "confid" writings and lectures, let those people who were participants have their comments.

Historians who will paw through the movement in all its details, will surely appreciate everyone who knows the details, to get those details written up.

LRH was unquestionably prolific, and there is a lot to discuss, and what I've discovered is that the types of people who will spend the time and objectively discuss it, are the university researcher types. No one has taken on LRH, really, yet, since his full body of works are still so kept close to the breast of the upper ranks of the movement.

When LRH's works are public, then scholars, in the decades to come, will paw through them eventually.

In summary, though, I agree with your comment about adherents being expected to stick to LRH's views.

I consider LRH's platform of ideas inadequate. Missing, simply, and I have given this endless hours of consideration since leaving,and since I've exposed myself to now thousands of hours of reading other people's views who were in and are now out, that the simple outside world's greater truths, meaning character points that a person can develope and adopt, instantly, at any time in their lives, the character points of "decency", "kindness", "honesty", "transparency", "humility", "forgiveness", all these points if a person concentrates on adopting and using in their daily lives, excel and place one in the drivers seat of being a more humane individual. And all of these humane character points are free to adopt at any moment in one's life, without fee, without much more than looking up these concepts in dictionaries, etc., contemplating them, and using them in life!

The LRH platform and results, I think do NOT automatically result in people gaining higher character, and instead, currently, and for decades, those climbing through the hoops in the organizational bureaucracies and groups LRH inspired and founded, the normal Scientology adherents advance, in my opinion, as far as they as individuals have their own sense of decency, etc.

I concluded that when the movement is good, it's when its members act well. It's the strong goodness of the members of the Scientology movement and its offshoots, that shine through, is my opinion, regardless of LRH's ideas.

Chuck Beatty Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003) Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.) Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt) Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87 Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88 Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup) LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89) Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89) PAC RPF (Mar-May 89) Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup) INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt) INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int) ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto) Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96) Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000) PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003) Routed out March 29, 2003.

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