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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT ALON
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gazit@lear.cs.duke.edu (Hillel)

>referen@ibm.net (Diane Richardson) writes:
>Rather than waiting until the situation was so tense that lethal force
>was used on *both* sides, why didn't the authorities take the pleas
>of family members and friends of these cult victims more seriously?
>Because the authorities were afraid to trample on the "god-given"
>right to practice  religion without governmental interference.
>Just think of the lives that might have been saved if governmental
>intervention had taken place at Waco or Jonestown before the situation
>had escalated to the uncontrollable stage.

    That's what I'm trying to do here.  The scieno cult is going
    to blow up, one way or the other.  The pressure of reality is
    beginning to build up.  If that pressure can be released, by
    peaceful interaction (ie scienos exerting claims in writing
    and in court), perhaps a peaceful settlement can be
    accomplished.  If not, there will be anonther Waco or
    Jonestown.  Law enforcement will never get up to speed on the
    cult-think, and will naturally resort to its required tool,
    force.  When law enforcement is involved, it means force is,
    by definition, being used.

Hillel:
>Let's take a look in the "hero" of Jonestown - Ryan.

    Oh, no.  Don't tell me you're gonna blame Congressman Ryan
    instead of Jim Jones, for the Jonestown massacre.  By your
    logic, if Jones were left alone, he'd have the governments of
    several South and Central American countries in the palm of
    his hand, millions of followers ready to be lead to their
    deaths.

    Who do we call for help then?  The f*cking Marines?

>#[Ryan] ignored warning and plunged ahead, despite State Department
>#advice that Jonestown was private property, despite the Temple's
>#discouraging letters.  On the plane [Ryan was] holding court to
>#an audience of the press and [Concerned] relatives...  If Jones
>#stopped him from entering Jonestown, Ryan reasoned, he wanted
>#it on film.
>      -- "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do", Peter McWilliams

    Utter bullshit.  Ryan died trying to save the children 
    trapped within Jonestown.  Children who were expendable to 
    Jones (Korresh and Miss Carriage).

>Jones moved his cult out of the US because of government pressure.

    See, sometimes governments *are* useful.

>Congressman Ryan decided that Jones and his cult should not have
>the right to be left alone, and used political *pressure* to force
>Jones to accept him as a "guest."  He did whatever he could to
>trigger this paranoid, with news people around to document his
>"victory."  And there was another "big win" to the anti-cult fight.

    You speak the scieno words.

>Now let's take a look at Waco:

    Give this sh-t a rest.  They were cops, doing a job, who made
    several *tactical* errors in the execution of a very, very
    dangerous (as we can now see is correct) warrant for search
    and siezure.

    The testimony of the 14 year old, raised in the cult, raped
    by Koresh at 10, gave a picture that could not, legally have
    been ignored by any law enforcement.

>People like Reno and Ryan are much more dangerous than the cults,
>scientology included.  They have real power - state power, and
>they have no problem with using it for political gains.

    That's why enough people trust them to elect them.  The
    public knows how dangerous it is to give a person such power.
    They creat the powerful positions and elect people to them
    because there is a job they don't want to have to do
    themselves, and they want someone they trust to do it.

>Early "governmental intervention" will just push cult paranoids
>faster into the destructive phase, and the government will
>use that to demand even earlier government intervention.

    You are going in just the direction the scienos want.  "Leave
    us alone."  Let us work in the darkness.  By the time you
    notice our influence in society, your children will have
    been indoctrinated with Hubbard's Study Tek at school, each
    Usenet group will have a corporate sponsor, and Sonny Bono 
    will be the Republican nominee for President.

>I respect the right of people to be left alone much more
>than I respect the wisdom of the government.

    If I hear my neighbor's child being beaten daily, and he
    won't stop doing it, I'm gonna see someone goes into his
    house, with or without his permission, and stops it.

    If you don't think that child abuse goes on within scn, waco
    or jonestown, you are severly ignorant, Hillel. (or a closet 
    scieno)
    
    Either way, I hope you recover soon.
    
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           Rev. Dennis L Erlich  * * the inFormer * *
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