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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: Dennis, Trade Secrets
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wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)


Pope:
>>They are not under seal.  I have been informed by e-mail that a critic
>>who was interested in where exactly these things were called around and
>>found out they are available in LA for public viewing as of yesterday.
>>They were placed there in the Fishman case. The Scientologists tried to
>>have them sealed and failed.
>>Anybody can go in and make xeroxes.
                                    
Brett <Brett6@ix.netcom.com>:
>Hmmm. I'll give them a call and see what's happening. I'd be
>interested in copying them unless the court clerk has some
>outrageous fees in mind. If I can get them for 10 to 20
>cents a page, it'd be worth it. As I'd require this
>information for my own legal research, I think I'd be immune
>from any successful Co$ legal attack.
>
>It is .50 cents a page.  Expensive.

Pope:
>>The NOTS stuff has apparently come out of a court case in England where
>>similarly, stuff entered into in a court case sat in a court publically
>>viewable.  Maybe Poulter and Sidaway can call around and make inquiries.
>>Atack would know where this stuff is, and a few phone calls could
>>find out if this stuf is still publically viewable as in LA.
     
Brett:
>I've seen reference to the NOTs materials in McShane's
>deposition...New Era Dianetics Operating Thetan materials or
>something like this. They say it's OT111 or OT5 redone,
>revised, etc.  At least that's what I got from a quick read
>of the deposition. Can you tell me what this stuff is?
      
    I tried to let this one go by and let someone else answer.

>I forget the exact details.
>Dennis would probably be the best authority on the NEDS and NOTS stuff
>and what it replaced.
                                                              
    OT 4-7 were replace in the early eighties with the following 
    NOTs rundowns:
    
         OT4 - NOTs drug rundown (BT's and clusters who took 
               drugs)
         OT5 - Audited NOTs (various BTs who think they're your 
               bodyparts, etc.)
         OT6 - More audited NOTs (BT's causing physical problems)
         OT7 - Solo audited NOTs (more BTs - only this time they 
               don't have the expense of having to pay the 
               auditor)
               
    The Old OT 4-7 have now become OT 9-13

>Pope Charles
>SubGenius Pope Of Houston
>Slack!
 
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