Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: POOL FOR GRADY-RAID
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m-6129@mailbox.swip.net (WebWalker)

:>>Those two that have been
:>>raided sofar, Erlich and Lerma, were both former $cientologists who
:>>had signed documents where they guaranteed never to reveal any
:>>$cieno documents.
          
Me:
:>    'Skuse me, are you familiar with the phrase "full of shit"?
:>    Get your faqs straight if you intend to use the given name
:>    of "that person[tm]" in public.
:>    I never signed, nor would I, any document which would prevent
:>    me from revealing the details of a fraud being perpetrated on
:>    the public.  I have never violated a contract with the scum
:>    who are suing me.  Any documents I did actually sign while
:>    under the control of the cult were coerced from be using
:>    thought reform such as the RPF.
:>    I haven't violated the contracts I didn't sign.  And I don't
:>    even have a dog.
:>    As far as Arnie, you'd have to ask him, but I don't believe
:>    his answer would be much different.

    So you were wrong.

:>    You'd do well to get your facts straight about these matters
:>    before you get accused of purposely spreading disinformation,
:>    WebPerson.
>
>I believe you are being somewhat too hot-headed here Dennis.

    Sorry.  Just making what I considered to be some vital
    corrections in your "data".

>My post
>was to a thread where people more or less gambled on when Grady Ward
>would be raided. My guess is that he won't be raided at all. And I
>also write *why*.

    Wrong "facts" about my life catch my attention.

>I once learned that "when you try to predict what your opponent is
>going to do, put yourself in his shoes". Which is exactly what I did.
>I'm under the impression (from what I've read on a.r.s.) that the Co$
>routinely have members sign non-disclosure documents. So the documents
>do exist.

    You still think you know more than me about what I signed and
    what I didn't sign?  You are pretty damn cheeky.  Read my
    deposition on the EFF web page if you want the facts.

>But please note that I do *not* in any way say that those
>documents are morally or legally binding! Signatures obtained by
>coercion or through fraudulent means would not be regarded as binding
>in most courts, but in the eyes of the Co$ those documents exist and
>are binding.

    Like I said, there are no non-disclosure agreements that I
    signed and violated.  If you want to keep saying that there
    are, we're gonna have a problem.

>And if presented before a carefully chosen judge
>(preferably a $cieno, or if such one can't be found, someone who knows
>very little about the Co$) they can be used to get a warrant of some
>kind.

    Wrong term.  Warrant is for criminals.

>I believe that that is how they got the warrants needed for the
>raids that have been made.

    Again, you seem so sure of your misinformation.  There have
    been no warrants issued.  Writs.  Writs of Seizure.

    There's a big difference.

>(Please note that all the info I have on
>this come through a.r.s., so some of it might be wrong).

    S'all I'm saying.  You got it wrong from ars.  This material
    has been thoroughly covered.

>But since Grady Ward is not an ex-$cieno he hasn't signed anything, so
>they can't get him on that.

    Right.

:>>BTW I don't know who "Anonymous" is, and I don't want to know, but
:>>whoever he/she/it is: Keep up the good work and may whatever God
>*you* might have bless you....

:>    Your use of the capitalize diety is also in error.
>
>Let's just agree to disagree on this one. Our common goal, i e keeping
> people out of the Co$ and the eventual downfall of the cult, will not
>be achieved if we squabble amongst ourselves.

    If you don't want to be contradicted, either don't post to a
    public forum, or don't get things wrong.

>The antis on this group
>come from different backgrounds, with all kinds of religious
>affiliations, so I suggest we give the Co$ a hard time here on a.r.s.
>and keep from commenting on other people's religious beliefs.

    Oh, they'll get a hard time alright.  I've worked very hard
    to keep disinformation off the newsgroup, whether it makes
    them (or me) look better or worse.  That's one of the reasons
    ars has achieved a degree of credibility.

    There is not more than one God.  The capitalized form is for
    the Judeo/Christian diety.  Other "dieties" are referred to
    as gods.  "Whatever God" is self-contradictory english usage.
    Check with a grammar book or english professor.

:>    Hope this helps. (this is *not* a flaming)
>
>I have no intention of flaming you either, I just felt that you didn't
>quite understand the thoughts behind my post.

    I understood the thoughts behind it fine.  The facts left
    something to be desired.  I suggest you read my deposition on
    the EFF web page, Ron Newman's web page and get this stuff
    straight.

>WebWalker

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