Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: ANDY GREENBERG Message-ID: <9509180931.0DDAU00@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 09:31:00 -0700 Lines: 73 henri@netcom.com (henry) >Andrew C. Greenberg wrote: >If I have any advice to give, and I certainly have this bias, it is my >firm and absolute conviction that the church critics are continuing to >shoot themselves in the foot by persisting in this ludicrous fiction that >the publication of these documents is somehow necessary to their cause and Aytch: >YES GOD DAMMIT! this is the very core of why i'm pissed at you. > >you piously profess ignorance of the use of fair sources, or >the best evidence available, in rendering informed speech effective. > >these documents are not publicly available to those who need >them to research this cult, and it was only after arnie's >posting of the material that it was widely available for >archival purposes, for research and for quotation. > >HOW CAN WE QUOTE THE GODDAMN THINGS IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM? > >HOW CAN WE HAVE THEM IF THEY ARE NOT PUBLISHED BY SOMEONE? > >that it is permitted under some amorphous sense of civil liberties. I > >amorphous my ass. clear-cut and obvious right to information >needed for any informed discussion is more like it. > >admonish all the readers to consider that phrase I noted earlier: > >COPYRIGHT PROTECTS ONLY THE EXPRESSION OF AN IDEA AND NOT THE IDEA ITSELF. > >yes, you keep saying that. COPYRIGHT PROTECTS ONLY THE RIGHT TO >BENEFIT FROM AN IDEA AND NOT THE RIGHT TO KEEP IT SECRET AND >USE IT AS A BAIT-AND-SWITCH FRAUD. > >Duh? Remember the internet? That liberty tree -- that bastion of free >speech and freedom. USE THE SOURCE, GUYS. Formulate your attack by > >THE SOURCE, hubbard's 'scripture' and HCOPLs, which are at >the very core of the controversy, is exactly what we need >to use. > >reasoning it out here. Do it fairly and squarely, to the eternal chagrin >of the CoS. Dare them to come out legally after you -- if you do it >right, they will lose in each instance. Dare them to reply in kind -- if >you do it right, they will lose even moreso. And bring that assault >public. > >this is precisely the purpose served by the posting of the fishman >affidavit. that one action set in motion a chain of events which >has gotten us more media coverage than any newsgroup in history. > >deny that. deny its effectiveness. the right to free speech >without the use of first sources to prove one's speech limits >one to ineffective and impotent speech when the basis for >informed discussion is hidden by copyright swindles. > >the right to free speech is the right to speak effectively. >the reason arnie was raided is that his speech _was_ effective. > >Andy Greenberg > >h Well stated, Aytch. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * * dennis.l.erlich@support.com + inForm@primenet.com "tar baby"