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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: COPYRIGHT AND TRADE S
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werdna@gate.net (Andrew C. Greenberg)

>Indeed, the attorneys with whom I have spoken
>about the subject felt that I have cast my pearls among swine, and that
>these words are wasted on those who will not be convinced by anything, but
>have merely become a cult in themselves.  Still others have stated that
>this file is unimportant, period, a bunch of utterly self-impressed
>anti-scienos who have been taken far too mseriously by an equally
>self-impressed CoS.

    F*ck you, Andrew.  When I start knocking down your door,
    taking your computer or locking kids in chainlockers, you'll 
    be right to compare me to the scienos.

    By the way, everyone who *I've* talked to is convinced you're
    working for the scienos.  I don't share their views ...
    necessarily.  But then time will tell.

    Til then FOAD!  Your bullshit isn't gonna sell here without
    me labeling it as I see fit.

>I do not share their views.

    Except enough to attempt to characterize those *fighting* the
    cult as another cult.  You're quite the *sshole, Andrew.  
    Undoubtedly you'll go far in your profession.  Look for me to
    be in the way of you extending or expanding the power of the 
    Copyright Act to subvert the first and fourth amendment.

    That you'd even present such a comparison between the critics
    (who use only the written word as our weapons) and the 
    scienos shows how infinitesimal is your grasp of the tactics 
    the cult uses daily on its members, recruits and the public.
    
    You are truly clueless about anything but your specialty, 
    protecting property.

>This personal assault on me is foolish, peevish and petulant.  It is no
>more well-considered or intelligent than the scienos dead-agent
>techniques, and certainly no more honest or intellecually decent a
>rhetorical device when used by critics than by the CoS.

    You haven't made a point that hasn't been discussed at length
    on the newsgroup long before your triumphant arrival.  You
    didn't bother to find out about the subject of the newsgroup
    or the people involved before you started spewing your
    pontifications.  You took offence at a harmless joke and have
    been insulting me with your condescension since. You've given the
    scienos ammunition to use against the critics and called us an
    equivalent cult to the scienos.  You've attempted to discourage
    cult critics from using their Fair Use and free speech rights
    to criticize the cult as they see fit.

    You may not actually *be* my enemy, but by your actions you
    have certainly become a short-term reasonable facsimile
    thereof.

    You seem to enjoy defending their position for them and
    critizing those of us who've put our butts on the line
    opposing them.  While you sit comfortably out of the line of
    fire.

    Have you even read any of the books about scientology?  Have you
    even read the EFF's web page?  Have you read Newman's?  Have you
    bothered to find out anything about the subject of the
    newsgroup?

    It is not evident that you have.

    I invited you to go man-to-man on issues in a debate.  All
    you can do is talk style.  Is there any substance to your
    points?  Do you think you've said anything new or in a better
    way than has been previously said in the newsgroup?

    Make a single point and I'll either agree or dispute it.

    Keep being condescending and insulting me and I'll be right
    in your face.  Perhaps that's what you're after anyway.  I've
    seen the tactic used by scienos before.

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           Rev. Dennis L Erlich  * * the inFormer * *
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                           "tar baby"