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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: COPYRIGHT AND TRA
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jjh@dragon.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Joel Hanes)

Reader:
>>In Lerma's case at least, it looked like Brinkema explicitly didn't
>>rule on whether copyright infringement occurred.  The writ of seizure
>>was vacated and some Co$ motions were thrown out, but the infringement
>>question was left for later.

Me:
>    It was ruled within the bounds of fair use, if I am not
>    mistaken.

Joel:
>  I think you're mistaken in this, Dennis.
>
>  In the Washington Post case, Brinkema has indicated, though not ruled,
>  that the 46-word quote run by the Post was fair use.
>
>  In Lerma's case, as near as I can tell,
>  Brinkema ordered the information returned
>  _because_of_$cientology's_abuse_of_the_writ_,
>  not because of the merits or lack of same in $cientology`s
>  claims of copyright infringement.

    IC.

>  As I read it, if the $cientologists had kept their noses
>  clean, and not improperly conducted an over-broad search,
>  then Brinkema would have left Arnie's computer in their
>  hands.
>
>  I have seen absolutely nothing that indicates to me that
>  Brinkema has ruled on any of Lerma's defenses, much less
>  ruled in his favor.

    Okay.  I stand corrected.

Reader:
>>I think you're being too hard on Greenberg, FWIW.  He is a cult
>>member, but it is the cult of intellectual property rather than the
>>cult of scientology.  He really believes the stuff he's saying.

Me:
>    Just as the scienos do.  His points of view on these cases
>    and methods of argument are indistinguishable from those of
>    the scienos, AFAIAC.

Joel:
>  Well, AFAIAC, there's a critical difference between
>  Mr. Greenberg's posts and those of the $cientologists --
>
>  To the best of my knowledge,
>  Mr. Greenberg has yet to post a lie of any kind.

    Spin and infiltration are the main exports of the cult into
    society.  
    
    I think a lot of lawyers are going to try to convince a lot 
    of people that they should give up their rights to free speech, 
    privacy and due process on internet.

    Andy's not the first to try it here.  I'll be here when the
    next one comes along, too.

>Joel Hanes

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