Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: ARNIE & FAIR USE: TIT Message-ID: <9509251934.0RI4P02@support.com> References: <4478fs$n9o@nnrp3.news.primenet.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 19:34:40 -0700 Lines: 47 sgoehrin@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (scott goehring) Me: > Scott, they *most certainly* are not! I'm surprised you > believe this "doctrinal" crap after reading ars for so long. Scott: >that's my evaluation of the materials that i've examined (that is, the >materials which have been posted to this group that claim to be OT >materials). they appear to be statements of doctrine. the fact that >they are expressed in the form of a instructions for teaching them >doesn't make them any less doctrinal in nature. No. You have it wrong. These are procedures for deleting supposedly actual mental and spiritual blocks. They are processes and the historical "facts" to support them. > The Oat Tea materials are historical and procedural. > They are processes, techniques, patterns of questions and > methods. They are lists of incidents which supposedly really > happened to every person and ways to delete the effects from the > individual. > >in other words, doctrine: "list of incidents which supposedly really >happened to every person and ways to delete the effects from the >individual" sounds like a specification of doctrinal belief to me. Hey, twist it anyway you want, Scott. These are techniques, not doctrine. >as far as i can tell, _nothing_ in the OTs details "how to run the >Church of Scientology". that is, as far as i can tell, detailed >primarily in various HCOBs and HCOPLs. _these_ are the policies of >the Church. Right. And the Oat Tea material is supposedly the exact composition and procedures for resolution of human abberration. Techniques. Not doctrine. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * * dennis.l.erlich@support.com + inForm@primenet.com "tar baby"