Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: FOR REAL???? Message-ID: <9510082057.0TFP102@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 20:57:12 -0700 Lines: 92 tardis@ix.netcom.com (Larry Wilson) >>As to those who go on (and on, and on, and on) about Scientology, I >>would suggest that there are better things to do. Me: > Oh, yea? Like let them roll their tanks right over our free > speech rights? > >If people weren't so interested in publishing the docs, then there >wouldn't be much of an issue. Somebody should bring you up to speed on this. You tuned in late. >My 'rights' as a US citizen are not affected by them. Unless you chose to exercize your right to criticize them. >However, as I look at this issue again, I think >that it's worth fighting the LRHers as they seem to try to use every >legal and illegal means to silence people, which ties directly into >the question below. This statement seems to be in direct conflict with the statement you made just before it about your rights not being effected. Is cognative dissonance kicking in yet? >>You can't change anyone; > > You have loads of experience rescuing people from cults? > >As a family therapist, yes, I've dealt with the aftermath of cults >quite a bit, though usually it was the Catholics or the Jews that >seemed to have the most problems. Aftermath? Have you gotten people to come to their senses and *leave* cults? No? Perhaps this is why you say you can't change anyone. >Their cultism, as with all >established 'Western' religions was much tougher to deal with though, >because, in general, society approves of these cults. Are you saying that Catholicism and Judaism are cults? You obviously are clueless on the subject of dangerous cults and thought reform, if so. >However, I really disagree with kidnapping and forced de-programming >of cultists as it interferes with *their* free speech and association >rights. I believe you'll find little support for forcible deprogramming here. I certainly don't recommend it. >And, as to how effective de-programming is, I haven't seen >any studies, but my guess is that unless the subject has reached their >tolerance level with the cult, the 'change' will not stick. Forcible depogramming comprises .05% of all people who leave cults. It's the cults themselves that make it into a big issue in order to scare their followers. Phobia indoctrination is the word Steve Hassan coined to describe it. >>blablabla > > I thought your post was excellent. Too bad you won't be > around to find out. (if it matters ... which it probably > doesn't) > >I can't tell if you're being serious about my post or not, but I did >decide to come back to see what reaction, if any, there has been. Somehow I knew you would. >I've had a couple of e-mails, but no letter bombs. Keep talking. You're still a newby here. > But thanks for playing. >You're welcome. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * * dennis.l.erlich@support.com + inForm@primenet.com "tar baby"