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From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com
Subject: FISHMAN'S REPLY TO MI
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milne@crl.com (Andrew Milne)

>James J. Lippard (lippard@Primenet.Com) wrote:
>: In article <45adlu$jd4@crl14.crl.com>, Andrew Milne <milne@crl.com> wrote:
: >Taking little bits of data out of context doesn't give a true picture. Mr.
: >Hubbard made a number of references to Christ in his writings. In the
: >1950s tape, "Hope of Man" , for example, he described Christ as a great
: >religious leader who had kept man's hope of a better life and a spiritual
: >future alive down through the ages. There are several other references
: >where he mentioned Christ's contribution to man's spirit. And the Creed
: >of the Church states that all men have the right to their own religious
: >practices.
>
>: But he also clearly states that Christ and the crucifixion are implants.
>: So was this "great religious leader" an implant, or did Hubbard simply
>: contradict himself?  If the latter, which of these views of the historical
>: basis of Christianity do you subscribe to--implant or real history?
>
>: And how were the quotes I gave "out of context"?  The _PAB_ I quoted was
>: the full paragraph which mentioned Christianity, along with some of the
>: following context which did not.
>
>     There are several points to make in response to your post.  First,
>I have been unable to find any reference to the "Christ legend" in the
>transcripts of Mr.  Hubbard's works, or to find the PAB you cited.  That
>makes me question its authenticity.  In the early years of Dianetics and
>Scientology, some of these materials were put together by others and
>they were not always accurate.  Some years ago, a project was done to
>authenticate all Mr.  Hubbard's writings on Scientology and anything
>which failed that test was not republished.

    [Translations for wogs just tuning in:  For the last decade 
    we have been trying to quietly edit all the looniest 
    statements out of El Rotundo's written and spoken Droppings. 
    Somehow unedited versions (like the Class 8 Assists tape) 
    keep getting out into the public domain to embarrass us.]

>     But even if he did say it, so what?  During my search I found
>numerous mentions of Christ in which Mr.  Hubbard discussed his work.
>Some of these references are brief, but they certainly do not leave one
>with the impression that LRH thought there was no such person.  And I am
>willing to bet you that many Scientologists have never heard of the
>reference you cited.  
 
    It was edited out and they only get to find out once they're 
    thorughly brainwashed and have paid hundreds of thousands of 
    dollars.

>All of them are familiar with the Church's creed,
>however, which says that all men have the right to their own beliefs and
>practices.  Scientologists observe that creed and they respect the
>religious beliefs of others.
            
    <snort>  Do the squirrel Freezoners get to practice the bogus
    religion you brainwashed them into believing?  Or do they 
    gotta get the Dropping through an approved Orifice?

>     Remember the reason this series of posts began?  Originally,
>someone posted a highly offensive and derogatory reference to Christ,
>claiming it came from "OT8." That document is a malicious forgery.  Its
>sole purpose is to divide Scientologists from their Christian friends,
>of which there are many.
                                                       
    That's rich.

>     Scientology is a vast subject.  The taped lectures alone number
>about 3,000.  To understand Scientology, you have to study it properly.
>It cannot be grasped through soundbites.
                
    You have to pay through the nose to appreciate the intricacy 
    of it.

>     If you do want more information about the religious tradition out
>of which Scientology emerged, you will find it covered by Mr.  Hubbard
>in the first three chapters of The Phoenix Lectures, available from any
>Church of Scientology.
 
    Do you really think any of the wogs are gonna buy this sh*t, 
    Andy?  

    You're one sick, lying toad.

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           Rev. Dennis L Erlich  * * the inFormer * *
      dennis.l.erlich@support.com  +  inForm@primenet.com
                           "tar baby"