Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: AYTCH IN TROUBLE? Message-ID: <9510122305.0WG5X03@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 23:05:53 -0700 Lines: 118 R Agent Brian Thurston wrote: >I am inviting a.r.s. enthusiastes to wade through this one because I >hope to make a couple valid points about presenting arguments in >support of a point of view. It will be quite instructive to the >lurkers and neophytes to logical debate. Rogue: >Frankly I think you're pedantic in this post to the point where it's >almost not worth it to reply; but I'll see if I can sift out a few points >to salvage. > >[...] >(Andrew Milne quoted again) >>>>: Erlich was well summed up in the Sheriff's Department report from >>>>: San Diego County, which said, "Dennis Erlich has pretended to be >>>>: cooperative, but he has left out important facts that would put himself >>>>: in a bad light. He has appeared to be a concerned father, but in the >>>>: transcripts of his interview with his daughter appeared to get his >>>>: information from her via blackmail and intimidation and browbeating >>>>: tactics." > >See? According to what Diane has insinuated, the report is tainted >(because of the illicit affair with you know who, you know where at >you know what time) BUT the _report_ DOES exist. > >I have no problem agreeing that the report exists. > >Therefore the evidence suggests Andy DID in fact make an accurate >report. WOW! > >Andy accurately quoted the report, yes. > >Therefore, in this case anyway, Andy wasn't lying and therefore really >should get some credit after all. (credit as in credibility) Rogue: >Assuming that what Diane and Dennis say is true (that Rosa was having an >affair with the Sheriff who wrote the report), Whoa there! Just a d*ng minute! I never said any such thing, Rogue. Please, check your archives. Diane didn't say it either, if I read her correctly. She used that as what would be an example of unsubstantiated dead-agenting. >Andy's use of the report >was disingenuous at best. Put the report in that context and its >usefulness dwindles. Usefulness of what? To prove that some f*cking stupid cop, 10 years ago while investigating a crime that *I* reported, made a false statement about me? Hey, whatever. >I have no reason to doubt Dennis and Diane, as I've found them to be >reliable sources in the past. Providing evidence that would suit you >would probably be difficult; it's a claim you'll have to either accept or >not. This police report was part of a sealed case involving an investigation I initiated involving inappropriate sexual activity while my 4 year old daughter was in the care of my ex wife (who happened to be a cop groupie in San Diego). It was posted to the net originally by Rick Davis back in March. How he or Milne, known OSA operatives got into this sealed court case is a question I have. Diane?: >One of the horrors of belonging to a church like Scientology is the >possibility of kidnapping, willful detainment (holding somebody >captive) and deprogramming. The Church is labeled a cult by fellow >"tolerant and openminded"* citizens and as such fair game for the >deprogrammer. Rogue: >I am unequivocally against forcible deprogramming. I firmly believe Keith >and Diane are as well, as are almost all (I can't speak for everybody) the >critical participants on a.r.s. If I thought this is what Keith meant I >would speak out against it in the strongest terms. ?: >*this is meant to be sarcastic comment > >I have never been witness to or ever heard (from sources within the >Organization) of anybody ever being forced to attend and/or remain >on/in Scientology grounds and/or buildings. (please spare me your >third party reports) Rogue: >I'll forward your request to Dennis, and also see if I can get some >others to give their stories. You'll get first-hand reports, no fear. Sorry, these stories have been posted before. I'm not going to go out of my way catch him up if he's too f*cking lazy to RTFNG or get in comm. >When Keith offers a free ride to Ady in the Rescue Van the threat is >thinly veiled indeed. (we can judge how much Andy is revered and >respected by Keith and Diane) This guy is toadly FOS. >As I said, I firmly believe the offer was for a fully voluntary exit >counselling. I find coersion as a reponse to coersion is not a solution I >can live with. Well, duh. +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * * dennis.l.erlich@support.com + inForm@primenet.com "tar baby"