Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: dennis.l.erlich@support.com Subject: HELP ME PLEASE! WHAT Message-ID: <9511250733.0AMKQ00@support.com> Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS (818)985-7150 X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Distribution: world Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 07:33:52 -0800 Lines: 182 smokesig@ix.netcom.com (Neal Hamel) >milne@crl.com (Andrew Milne) wrote: >:R Agent (rogue@ccs.neu.edu) wrote: >:: In article <48ml9p$kpd@news2.isp.net>, mike butler >:: wrote: :: >My boss is into Scientology. He's very high up , an auditor or :: >something. We recently got into an argument, and I cussed him out. I :: >later came back and apologized.Now he won't let me come back to work. He :: >says I took on the look of the "enemy", and I need to do something to :: >get back into the "group". I need to come up with some sort of :: >punishment for myself. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I've lost a lot of sleep, let :: >alone money already over this. Please e-mail me or post here. Thanks. > >:: Not to put too fine a point on it, but you're up shit creek. > >:: You've been assigned an Ethics Condition. Scientologists take this sort >:: of thing very seriously, they have a whole book about it - _Introduction >:: to Scientology Ethics_. You might find it in your local library, or maybe >:: you can borrow your boss's copy (1/2 :) ). Here's the policy your boss >:: was referring to: > :: | HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE :: | Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex Remimeo :: | HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967 :: | Issue IV :: | :: | PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS :: | (Applies both Orgs and Sea Org) > >:This policy was cancelled years ago. It gives a completely false picture of >:Scientology ethics. The trouble with people who post this kind of stuff >:is that they are completely out of touch with the Church of Scientology >:in the 1990s. It is completely unreal. > > >Where is the cancellation of this policy letter? Have I missed it? > > >:Scientology ethics is one means whereby individuals can improve their lives. > >:The policy contained a reference to "fair game." > >:"Fair Game" was cancelled in 1968, more than 25 years ago, because it >:was susceptible to misinterpretation and misuse and had been so >:misinterpreted by apostates. "Fair game" meant that those expelled >:from the Church could no longer take advantage of the internal >:ecclesiastical support and justice procedures churches of Scientology >:provide to resolve disputes and upsets among parishioners. They would >:have to make their own way, unaided, with the justice system as their >:only means of recourse. > > >see below. > >What Hubbard actually said was, "May be deprived of property or injured by >any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. >May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed." > >Andy twists the actual text and states it to mean "'Fair game'" meant that >those >expelled from the Church could no longer take advantage of the internal >ecclesiastial support and just procedures . . ." > >How could one mean the other? It is impossble. It defies any logic. Andy!!!! >try your own Word Clearing[tm] and define those words. I challenge you to >produce the logic that fills in that gaps between the two statements. > > >:In a March 1976 affidavit, L. Ron Hubbard explained that the policy had >:never "authorize[d] illegal or harassment type acts against anyone" and >:that "As soon as it became apparent to me that the concept of 'Fair >:Game' as described above was being misinterpreted by the uninformed, to >:mean the granting of a license to Scientologists for acts in violation >:the law and/or other standards of decency, these policies were >:cancelled." > > >One could only conclude Hubbard was being disingenuous. Hubbard's claiming >that >his clear, unambiguous statements inviting harm to people in a lower condition >("ENEMY") was misinterpreted, shows another reason why scientology's and >Hubbard's credulity has been called into question. Again. > > >:The term "fair game" does not appear in the scriptures of Scientology >:and has not existed since 1968. In fact, its *only* use since then is >:not by the Church at all, but by a handful of anti-Scientology apostates >:and their attorneys who have exploited this term and its inflammatory >:connotations in efforts to generate anti-Scientology prejudice in the >:media or courtroom. Exactly how they do this has been laid out by a >:former Church member who used this tactic herself when litigating >:against the Church and observed it used by others. > > >Again disingenuous. The language in the policy says > > The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may >not > appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. > > > This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an >SP. > > > >In fact, long after this bit of Hubbardian verbal trickery was published, >scientology was convicted in court of practicing "Fair Game". The victim? >None >other than Larry Wollersheim. > > >:The truth is that Church management never has and never would tolerate >:illegal or unethical actions to be committed in the Church's name. The >:scriptures of Scientology are replete with admonitions to its adherents >:to build their lives on foundations of honesty and integrity. The >:commission of dishonesties or harmful acts against another is the road >:to personal misery and destruction of positive interpersonal >:relationships. > > > >Here is the complete text of what Milne is talking about. Uh oh, Neal. This is a cheap way to win an argument against OSA. Using Tubby's own words is cheating, stealing and generally being a criminal. Haven't you been reading their propaganda? When they use Rotundo's Droppings to prove how superior they are, it's ... STANDARD TECH. When we use them to prove how f*cked up they are ... it stealing. If you read El Ron's words and watch the actions of his trainee dictator and sub-minions, you can clearly see why I hold the man, and all his fascist followers, in such deep and abiding contempt. > HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE > Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex >Remimeo > HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967 > Issue IV > > PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS > (Applies both Orgs and Sea Org) [snip] > >LRH:jp L. RON HUBBARD >Copyright (c) 1967 Founder >by L. Ron Hubbard >ALL RIGHTS RESERVED > > > HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE > Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex >Remimeo > HCO Policy Letter of 21 October 1968 > > CANCELLATION OF FAIR GAME > [snip] >LRH:ci:cden L. RON HUBBARD >Copyright (c) 1968 Founder >by L. Ron Hubbard >ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Neither of the above policies have been cancelled. I have watched them being applied on many of my friends for years. I say "Enough!" +--------------------------------------+ Rev. Dennis L Erlich * * the inFormer * * dennis.l.erlich@support.com + inForm@primenet.com "tar baby"